Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:26 PM
kpete (39,116 posts)
GOP GOTV Volunteer Says: Team Romney "Unprecendented" FailureLast edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
The Unmitigated Disaster Known As Project ORCA
What is Project Orca? Well, this is what they told us: Project ORCA is a massive undertaking – the Republican Party’s newest, unprecedented and most technologically advanced plan to win the 2012 presidential election.
Pretty much everything in that sentence is false. The "massive undertaking" is true, however. It would take a lot of planning, training and coordination to be done successfully (oh, we'll get to that in a second). This wasn't really the GOP's effort, it was Team Romney's. And perhaps "unprecedented" would fit if we're discussing failure. .......................... From the very start there were warning signs. After signing up, you were invited to take part in nightly conference calls. The calls were more of the slick marketing speech type than helpful training sessions. There was a lot of "rah-rahs" and lofty talk about how this would change the ballgame. ............ On one of the last conference calls (I believe it was on Saturday night), they told us that our packets would be arriving shortly. Now, there seemed to be a fair amount of confusion about what they meant by "packet". Some people on Twitter were wondering if that meant a packet in the mail or a pdf or what. Finally, my packet arrived at 4PM on Monday afternoon as an emailed 60 page pdf. Nothing came in the mail. Because I was out most of the day, I only got around to seeing it at around 10PM Monday night. So, I sat down and cursed as I would have to print out 60+ pages of instructions and voter rolls on my home printer. Naturally, for reasons I can't begin to comprehend, my printer would not print in black and white with an empty magenta cartridge (No HP, I will never buy another one of your products ever again). So, at this point I became panicked. I was expected to be at the polls at 6:45AM and nothing was open. I was thankfully able to find a Kinko's open until 11PM that was able to print it out and bind it for me, but this is not something I should have had to do. They expected 75-80 year old veteran volunteers to print out 60+ pages on their home computers? The night before election day? From what I hear, other people had similar experiences. In fact, many volunteers never received their packets at all. .............. So, the end result was that 30,000+ of the most active and fired-up volunteers were wandering around confused and frustrated when they could have been doing anything else to help. Like driving people to the polls, phone-banking, walking door-to-door, etc. We lost by fairly small margins in Florida, Virginia, Ohio and Colorado. If this had worked could it have closed the gap? I sure hope not for my sanity's sake. more, fascinating: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334783.php
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| kpete | Nov 2012 | OP | |
| orwell | Nov 2012 | #1 | |
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| central scrutinizer | Nov 2012 | #24 | |
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:31 PM
orwell (5,712 posts)
1. Orca?
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...as in White Whale.
I guess RMoney is Capt. Ahab. I always assumed he was a Mony Dick... |
Response to orwell (Reply #1)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:52 PM
KurtNYC (12,198 posts)
8. Free Willard!
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ORCA aided their loss and prompted their killer wail.
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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #8)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:22 PM
central scrutinizer (5,905 posts)
24. killer fail! nfm
Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #24)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:13 AM
Berlum (3,974 posts)
28. Orca Republicans: the highest order of FAIL
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Response to orwell (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:57 AM
ET Awful (24,019 posts)
33. Orca is a killer whale (as in Shamu) n/t
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:32 PM
louis-t (12,543 posts)
2. I hear they mailed them an abacas and a polaroid camera.
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Response to louis-t (Reply #2)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:20 PM
Ms. Toad (9,286 posts)
20. It was actually more sophisticated than that -
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until it was shut down in NE Ohio by alert OFA observers before the polls had been open an hour. R observers carried phone apps into the polling place and were asking every voter for their name and party affiliation.
Some persisted by dogging the check-in table, but by and large they were left perusing strike sheets posted twice a day. Since that meant they had to capture the strike sheet info and enter the info in batches rather than real time, it severely crippled the ability they anticipated to have the real time exit polling - at a rate approaching 100%. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:38 PM
enough (6,964 posts)
3. It seems pretty clear now that many of the people running
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Romney's campaign had some other motive than actually getting him elected. They were in it for the money.
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Response to enough (Reply #3)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:15 AM
Berlum (3,974 posts)
29. "In it for the money..." Yup. Why else would anyone back Romney-Ryan
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Their ideology and their platform were an insult and a grave disservice to the ideals of the United States of America.
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Response to enough (Reply #3)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:17 AM
randome (14,006 posts)
30. They were in it for the lazy, cushy job. Like most Republicans are.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:40 PM
OkieGranny (73 posts)
4. "We had the latest technology in abacuses."
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Response to OkieGranny (Reply #4)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:23 PM
lastlib (3,905 posts)
14. The paid staffers had slide rules....eom
Response to OkieGranny (Reply #4)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:06 PM
calimary (30,765 posts)
54. Welcome to DU, OkieGranny!
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Glad you're here! PRIORITY ONE: PROTECT AND BUILD UPON the gains we made last Tuesday! Let's not forget how drastically our fortunes changed between 2008 and 2010 - when the fucking teabaggers took over. We can't let that happen again!!!!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:43 PM
Bicoastal (12,643 posts)
5. You can't run a campaign like a business, Mr. Romney.
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Enthusiasm and inspiration has to come from the bottom up, not the top down.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:47 PM
Bucky (41,687 posts)
6. Idiots. If they'd won Florida, Virginia, AND Ohio, they'd've STILL lost the election.
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http://www.270towin.com/ <== Do the math. The Repubicans sure as hell can't.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:49 PM
L0oniX (18,005 posts)
7. Rmoney Epic Fail!
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Crossroads gps too.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:53 PM
ProudProgressiveNow (3,240 posts)
9. And Romney and company were suprised they lost?
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Afterthought... how much money did they skim off the campaign...
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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Reply #9)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:58 PM
dchill (7,870 posts)
39. You KNOW they did...
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In their minds, they're entitled to a consultant's fee...
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:54 PM
KurtNYC (12,198 posts)
10. Thanks for posting this
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I am in discussion with some people who would have loved ORCA and would have bet the house on it, just like Romney.
Low tech gets it done. Over tech'ing stuff is risky. |
Response to KurtNYC (Reply #10)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:47 PM
tblue37 (11,754 posts)
49. Yeah--like insisting on hackable electronic voting
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machines instead of low-tech but reliable paper ballots.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:54 PM
Bigleaf (2,021 posts)
11. As a fellow DU'er said the other night, GOP's Orca = Killer Fail
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:55 PM
PA Democrat (10,992 posts)
12. Didn't I see a story about their Orca app crashing on election day?
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Of course I did! It was right here on DU!
'Romney's GOTV app just crashed. Now they're flying blind.' http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021732757 |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:06 PM
wildeyed (6,867 posts)
13. This is what happens when Republicans try to do GOTV.
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They should stick to things they are good at. Like writing checks.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:35 PM
tanyev (22,142 posts)
15. That whale got beached.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:39 PM
joeybee12 (41,893 posts)
16. Amazing...and a good point about 75-80 year-olds...lots of volunteers are the retired...
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And not all are computer savvy, and being retired probably means you don't have money to waste like this...
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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #16)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:03 PM
calimary (30,765 posts)
53. One of them did reference how "we leave that to the blue-hairs," didn't they?
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It's a rare one who understands the new technology. I'm not a blue-hair (yet), and I barely have a clue!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:55 PM
Jennicut (25,411 posts)
17. They had no idea how to set up an operation like what Obama and co had.
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Clueless, totally clueless. ORCA? Couldn't even come up with a better name?
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Response to Jennicut (Reply #17)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:50 PM
tblue37 (11,754 posts)
50. Maybe they should have recruited a--wait for it--
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community organizer!!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:02 PM
MrScorpio (55,753 posts)
19. When they finally write the definitive book about the Romney campaign…
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I have no doubt that it will be described as the most incompetent one in the history of American politics.
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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #19)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:07 AM
XemaSab (57,497 posts)
27. Not only that, but their candidate sucked
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The teabaggers didn't like him, the fundies thought he was a cultist, the smart moderates were like "This guy's all over the map," and so forth. The only thing that made it close was their shared hatred for Barack.
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Response to XemaSab (Reply #27)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:27 PM
WHEN CRABS ROAR (2,593 posts)
47. You just covered all my points, I couldn't agree more.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jim Lane (3,884 posts)
21. I'm reading every one of the comments -- this is schadenfreude week for me.
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My favorite so far, coming after several different people have lambasted ORCA in every way imaginable:
71 Did I mention that at 5:40am OFA had their person there, with a chair, with a huge sign to answer questions about provisional ballots. When the poll didn't open at 6am on the dot, the OFA person was calling at 6:01am, and actually talking to a live person.
I have to set myself a cutoff. By the end of the day tomorrow, I'm going to stop wasting time reading stuff like this and lurking on FR. But it's just so damn much fun. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:35 PM
magical thyme (4,254 posts)
22. if that's how they ran their campaign, can you imagine them running the country?!?
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Phew! bullet dodged!!!!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:35 PM
JaneyVee (4,266 posts)
23. Uh, Orca killed people. I saw the movie.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:02 AM
Scuba (27,202 posts)
25. CEO mentality. Dump a load of shit on the underlings and expect them to do everything.
Response to Scuba (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:10 PM
Tumbulu (3,276 posts)
40. ding ding ding
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that's it exactly!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:04 AM
WinkyDink (37,377 posts)
26. ANOTHER ungracious and mendacious "We defeated ourselves" load of CRAP. TEAM OBAMA HAD BETTER IDEAS
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NOT JUST BETTER VOLUNTEERS.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:28 AM
jsr (3,530 posts)
31. Shitty candidate for shitty party of shitty people
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Their problem was huge.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:32 AM
Skidmore (29,229 posts)
32. All that money and the volunteers still had to print out their top secret documents on their own
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dime?
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:00 PM
DallasNE (3,061 posts)
34. No, This Was Not A Difference Maker
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Romney's team was effective at disenfranchisement of voters by requiring a huge number of minorities to vote a provisional ballot which will likely never be looked at let alone counted. Arizona has been singled out so far as Maricopa County alone had something like 162,000 provisional ballot cast and mostly by Hispanics.
Apparently denial is a hard thing to shake. When Romney pivoted to the center in the debates and became Obama light it really dampened enthusiasm and demoralized the ground game. There simply weren't enough angry white men to elect Romney then look at what happened in Senate races where Democrats won 25 seats to only 8 for Republicans -- a debacle matched only by the Goldwater disaster of 1964. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:47 PM
loudsue (12,396 posts)
35. Because they were planning to STEAL it! Duh!
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Last edited Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:48 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Besides....who in their right mind would be willing to actually WORK to put people in office who DON'T LIKE TO WORK? They're billionaires. They delegate. They mostly inherited their wealth. Work isn't what they understand.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:38 PM
heaven05 (2,483 posts)
36. I'm glad
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it was a flustercuck. In fact I'm elated.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:41 PM
RBInMaine (9,475 posts)
37. That's what the dumb fucks get for spending all their money on a bunch of stupid ads.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:52 PM
ffr (1,155 posts)
38. Lawrence O'Donnell: PBO GOTV - 109,000 volunteers & > 200,000 on phones
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:13 PM
RomneyLies (3,333 posts)
41. It was a consultant con job
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Last edited Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:13 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I know Redstate is a right wing site, but this diary over there pretty much shows how wacked out the Romney campaign was.
http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/09/campaign-sources-the-romney-campaign-was-a-consultant-con-job/ The one point missing from the diary is the fact that the Romney are heavily invested in the consultant firms they used, which means the family profited to the tun of roughly 8 figures personally at the end of the campaign. |
Response to RomneyLies (Reply #41)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:34 PM
underpants (105,663 posts)
44. That's what it sounded like to me too
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Campaigns often serve as a means to funnel money to political operatives with side businesses (like Rove's supposedly effective direct mail). Many small campaigns that have no chance are really just a way to get money out of contributors pockets and into pros pockets.
We had heard stories about the massive over payments that the Romney campaign was making to consultants and that was the first thing I thought of when I read that....other than what I posted below about canvassing. |
Response to RomneyLies (Reply #41)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:52 PM
jsmirman (4,188 posts)
51. There's an idiot on that board who likens not voting for Romney
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to poor treatment of veterans after Vietnam.
Right, not voting for the draft dodger is just like that: https:// "Jack Savage" - what a dumb, dumb, dumb motherfucker. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:09 AM
Bernardo de La Paz (7,142 posts)
42. Romney never ran a real business with real employees, so of course his operation failed. nt
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:31 PM
underpants (105,663 posts)
43. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
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Having canvassed in 2008 and this year for Tim Kaine I know a little about this type of operation.
You can't just turn people loose to canvass. They have to be trained and it is a PROCESS not just a 3 day thing. The data has to be analyzed after each run (weekend) to see what results you are getting and where the next area should be. You simply can't cover enough ground on the last weekend to make much of a difference. We canvassed from August on and in it I learned more and more about the best approach. I learned to gather information as I neared a door and to leave little notes on the handouts. Did ORCA even have literature to leave on doors? If they had a Va. Tech yard sign their literature had a GO HOKIES!! written on it. If there was anything religous in sight I mentioned Kaine's mission work in Honduras. etc. I knew to keep it short and that the introduction (first sight) was as important as anything I could say. Our organizer spent hours picking areas, researching them on Google streetmap, and put packets together including driving directions and a suggested course map. He followed up with data entry so they had knew what had been covered and where to return to for GOTV. Literature changed as the campaign went on. He knew where to send what canvassers - I got apartments because I could handle the stairs easier than older volunteers and he knew to give me larger packets because I could cover a lot of ground in a short amount of time. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:07 PM
tabbycat31 (5,109 posts)
45. Speaking as a Dem field director, I have two words to say
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EPIC FAIL
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:04 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,752 posts)
46. The Twit said he would run the government like a corporation
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Last edited Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:05 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) And this sounds like the corporate training I attended in my former life as a corporate peon (except it wasn't done by phone) . . .
After signing up, you were invited to take part in nightly conference calls. The calls were more of the slick marketing speech type than helpful training sessions. There was a lot of "rah-rahs" and lofty talk about how this would change the ballgame. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:42 PM
Cha (125,775 posts)
48. What?! Sorry, mittLies was too busy..
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getting his Transition Team of bush neocons Ready to take over our White House.
http://theobamadiary.com/ |


