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Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:09 AM

Questions: Did the new unemployment report include part time jobs for the first time in history?

That is what some right wingers are claiming changed the numbers so drastically.

I am searching, but have not found facts.

Thanks for your help.

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Reply Questions: Did the new unemployment report include part time jobs for the first time in history? (Original post)
Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 OP
Frustratedlady Oct 2012 #1
Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #3
davidn3600 Oct 2012 #8
dkf Oct 2012 #11
dkf Oct 2012 #2
Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #5
RagAss Oct 2012 #4
Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #6
Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #9
RagAss Oct 2012 #12
rock Oct 2012 #13
Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #7
jsr Oct 2012 #10
spanone Oct 2012 #14

Response to Tennessee Gal (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:11 AM

1. I should think some stores are starting to hire Christmas help

Yes, people are shopping for the holidays and stores have to be stocked and ready to go. They can't just pull new hires in without some training.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:12 AM

3. Yes, but the question is are part-time jobs included in this new report for the first time ever.

I cannot find facts on this.

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:31 AM

8. It doesnt tell you what type of jobs that were created

It could be seasonal or minimum wage.

If the jobs are not of a livable wage, its not going to do the economy much good.

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 09:04 AM

11. This is the definition the BLS uses

 

Employed persons
Employed persons consist of: persons who did any work for pay or profit during the survey reference week; persons who did at least 15 hours of unpaid work in a family-operated enterprise; and persons who were temporarily absent from their regular jobs because of illness, vacation, bad weather, industrial dispute, or various personal reasons. The employment-population ratio represents the proportion of the civilian noninstitutional population that is employed. Data are also available for Demographics, Earnings, Hours of work, and other employment characteristics. See also Labor force and Unemployment.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm#emp

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:12 AM

2. No they did it the same way they always do it.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:17 AM

5. Thanks. nt

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:13 AM

4. Tell them they're full of shit !

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Response to RagAss (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:19 AM

6. I would love to and in just those words, but that does not accomplish anything.

I like to provide information and plant seeds of doubt in their beliefs. Sometimes it works.

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:39 AM

9. You cannot prove what hasn't happened.

They are claiming "x happened", it is not on you to prove there have been no changes to the methodology, it is on them to prove that there have been changes. Not only that, but this is an extraordinary claim of corruption and malfeasance, they need to have clear and irrefutable evidence.

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 09:29 AM

12. They don't respect information, it interferes with their stream of hate.

That is why I have long given up on debating anything with them. I tell them they are full of shit as soon as they complete their first statement on any topic and I walk away. My life is so much more pleasant since I decided on this approach. These people hate us. Most of them want us dead. Why would you even entertain the thought that you can "plant seeds of doubt in their beliefs" ??

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Response to RagAss (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 09:52 AM

13. I believe yours is the most accurate characterization of their ilk

I have ever seen. It is just as senseless to argue with them as a brick wall.

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:23 AM

7. There have been no changes to the methodology.

Any changes to the statistical methodology would be in the report and it isn't. The rightwing bullshit machine is in overdrive trying to explain away the facts.

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:42 AM

10. Not one iota of the rules has been changed.

They're so desperate.

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 10:19 AM

14. no. the numbers came down. period.

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