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Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:36 PM

Krugman: Democratic Derangement Syndrome

<...> Todayís full-scale freakout over a decent jobs report is a sight to behold. Spare me the false equivalence: yes, you occasionally find people on the left claiming that the numbers have been faked or the truth hidden, but not leading figures in the media and major-league plutocrats. (Next time people try to portray Jack Welch as an icon of success, a man we should listen to, remember this moment) <...>

For the record, itís ridiculous to imagine that the Obama administration could arrange (on short notice, no less) to cook the jobs numbers. The sheer logistics would be impossible, plus these are civil servants who have to live under both parties. I guess thereís a bit of continuity here with the inflation truthers, a group that similarly includes people who unaccountably continue to be treated as respectable.

The thing is, although such antics are funny in a way, theyíre also menacing. By attacking anyone who presents awkward facts, the right exerts an intimidating effect. It wonít get the BLS to retract todayís jobs report, but it might bully news organizations into avoiding objective economic analysis, and maybe even into blurring their reporting right now.

So this is crazy and stupid; but itís also scary. NY Times

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Reply Krugman: Democratic Derangement Syndrome (Original post)
tishaLA Oct 2012 OP
joycejnr Oct 2012 #1
jsr Oct 2012 #2
Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #10
landolfi Oct 2012 #3
Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #14
AlbertCat Oct 2012 #28
Javaman Oct 2012 #15
JackN415 Oct 2012 #27
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #4
WinkyDink Oct 2012 #9
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #11
fasttense Oct 2012 #29
Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #30
Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #5
porphyrian Oct 2012 #6
libodem Oct 2012 #19
Jennicut Oct 2012 #7
Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #8
Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #12
Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #13
Grins Oct 2012 #16
redqueen Oct 2012 #17
fearnobush Oct 2012 #20
BellaKos Oct 2012 #22
Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #24
ProSense Oct 2012 #18
BellaKos Oct 2012 #21
Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #25
Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #23
judesedit Oct 2012 #26

Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:38 PM

1. It's so easy to say that Mitt is sociopathic, but I dunno...

...when you watch him on tv smiling, and reach over to cover his mouth - the eyes look so cold, so deadly.

Or is it just me?

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Response to joycejnr (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:40 PM

2. Romney is a soulless vulture

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Response to jsr (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:07 PM

10. Whoa, wait just a minute there. You need to take that back.

Never compare a slimy Republican reptile like Romney to a vulture. Vultures are efficient members of their ecological niche.

Especially when stripping the carcass of a dead Elephant!




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Response to joycejnr (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:41 PM

3. Not just you. Dead eyes, as if he has no soul.

And his deeds betray that.

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Response to joycejnr (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:24 PM

14. He has no soul......

You look into his eyes and observe his gutless shit-eating grin and know he is evil. He has absolutely no compassion for anyone because he has never been denied anything. He has never wanted for anything, except for more and more money and more power.

There are two kinds of wealthy people....people who are greedy and heartless such as the Walton family (of the Wal-Mart corporation) who deny workers sick pay on their first sick day, the likes of most on Wall Street and those in the boardrooms of the soulless corporations around the world. They ware all about money and power and more of it. Mittens belongs to that crowd.

Then you have those who, regardless of how they got their wealth, are magnanimous, generous and genuinely empathize with others. Leaders such as Theodore Roosevelt (who was one trust busting Republican), FDR, JFK, etc. exemplify that type of person.

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Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:07 PM

28. He has no soul......

No one does. That's a religious myth.

What Rmoney doesn't have is integrity or ethics.

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Response to joycejnr (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:03 PM

15. first clue is: he never ever smiles with his eyes.

he gives the dead fish smile or the smile of a snake about to bite you.

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Response to joycejnr (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 07:32 PM

27. I bet $10,000 that...

 

he will be found a psychopath if he is willing to take the psychological test or subjects himself of professional psychiatric evaluation.

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:43 PM

4. Conspiracy theories by tin foil hat aficionados abound...

Let the whine.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:04 PM

9. I don't think it is beyond reasonableness to opine that Romney is sociopathic. Ask Seamus. Ask the

47%. Ask those destroyed by Bain. Ask the PBS employees to whom he GLEEFULLY said, on TV, that he would ELIMINATE THEIR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT, even as one very real employee sat right in front of him.

If you DON'T think that marks a sociopath, perhaps you can describe what would.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:19 PM

11. Romney appears to be a pathological liar...but that isn't what the OP is talking about...

and in one line I did not completely explain myself.

Krugman is talking about how the right attacks good job numbers like rabid junkyard dogs. Good job numbers destroy their attempted narrative. Places like "The American Spectator" and "Shadow Government Statistics" insanely try to show how there is a giant conspiracy to hide the truth.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 07:48 AM

29. I don't think the Jobs report from the BLS is accurate

and it hasn't been accurate since Raygun said he wanted to count all the military as employed on the BLS.

Clinton excluded areas of extreme poverty from the jobs survey

And the bushes played with it so much that they couldn't see the crash coming until it was inevitable even though people were being laid off left and right.

Obama has NOT corrected the sins of the past and he's done some strange things with the total civilian labor force numbers.

So, I truly believe the unemployment numbers are NOT an accurate indicator of how many people are unemployed in the US.

That said, Obama is no better and no worse than previous presidents in manipulating the numbers.

Romney is just ignoring all the manipulation by his own party and is dumping it on Obama.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:41 AM

30. Information for the jobs (unemployment) report...

Is obtained by sending out census workers out to survey 160,000 households in the U.S. No one is left out, because it is a survey not an actual head count. (This information can be found on a Us.gov site. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.tn.htm)

What you wrote above is a urban myth. It is just not how they get those numbers.

This is a better link to the medhods used to get the employment report.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:56 PM

5. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, tisha.

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:58 PM

6. When the President is reelected, I hope Krugman joins his cabinet. n/t

 

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Response to porphyrian (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 06:02 PM

19. me too

THREAD WIN!!!!!

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:00 PM

7. Intimidation is what they want.

Especially with the MSM on the major networks, CNN and CNBC.

I think those on MSNBC are much less afraid.

The CNBC people nearly laughed at this proposition by Jack Welch too.

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:03 PM

8. Right winger politicians can only survive through intimidation of

voters and the media.

It is sickening the lengths they will go to for power and control.

Party over country every time.

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:04 PM

12. Here is what you are dealing with

We're dealing with fantasy world dwellers who cannot accept the reality of the Obama presidency

We're dealing with fiction writers who spin what ever it takes to keep their readers enthralled


We're dealing with those that would tear down the house in order to rule over the ruins. and to them truth is just an option and lies are perfectly acceptable.



We absolutely cannot allow these people to win..




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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:13 PM

13. More believable theory is that the billionaires are conspiring to raise Gas Prices with fires etc.

... if you want to have conspiracy theories, that one is more easily hidden. Have an operative or two set off a fire at an oil refinery, etc.

However, I don't think either conspiracy theory has any merit. The BLS one is ludicrous.

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:20 PM

16. I'm confused...

Are the "Jobs Truthers" the same as the "Polling Truthers"; or are we talkin' about a whole new breed of cat?

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:26 PM

17. Listening to the news on BBC America this morning,

I could have sworn it was bad news.

Weird.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 02:46 AM

20. And this is exactly how we can lose. Every Dem in a media position needs to confront them

Live and on air.

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Response to fearnobush (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:33 AM

22. Well, I'll go further than that.

I say that the media is to blame for W's malfeasance which has caused the death and maiming of thousands of people in Iraq. And I say that Rupert Murdoch is a danger to this country.

It's not just a matter of the very, very few "liberals" in the media calling this $hit out; it's a matter of integrity in all of the media. Until something is done about the lies and distortions vomited out on the public each and every day, people will continue to be fooled and abused. And the Right Wing will continue to operate within the narrow perspective of their Fantasy Land.

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Response to BellaKos (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 09:28 AM

24. I'm on the same page you are.

Hillary has made an excellent Secretary of State, but because she took money from Murdoch, I got spooked and wasn't able to trust her so Obama got my vote.

Have not trusted the 4th Estate much, but DO see improvement.

It was all the stations trying to mimic FAUX to get the ratings back in 2008 and NONE of them even touching the truth. Then they threw a pinch of the truth in so they could appease their right wing viewers and get a few props from the left. Now they are acting like they are fair and balanced once more, but it's still broken.

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:55 PM

18. Kick! n/t

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:22 AM

21. Exactly what I was thinking.

First, it was global warming -- which I could half-way understand since the notion of a global warming hoax was a concerted campaign financed by the oil companies.
Then, Truthers. Okay, maybe understandable since the real deficit in this country is scientific illiteracy.
Birthers. Well, they have "Oil-ly Olay" as a spokesperson. At least, she's not a figment of imagination; she's alive.

But lately? The Polls are made-up?
And now, the delusion that the BLS is a corrupt facet of the Obama campaign is made-up and brought to national attention within a few hours!

These are dangerous delusions. We're talking about a cult-mentality that has infected a large segment of the public.
And guess what else? They have guns and they think that "liberals" are out to destroy the country. Yes, this is scary.

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Response to BellaKos (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 09:30 AM

25. If you can't beat them, join them. Get Granny a gun -- so she can vote.

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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 09:23 AM

23. but, but, the job rate HAS to be faked, wrong or, or Robme was... was ... lying. an that CAN'T BE.




Now that we've gotten THAT out of our system.


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Response to tishaLA (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 02:05 PM

26. This is just another example of GOP projection. Because they use every crooked devised method possi

ble to fool the people and steal elections, they try to get the focus off of themselves and onto some bogus similar crap they blame on someone else. Just like they arranged Rob-me's hanky wipe to cover the fact he had a cheat sheet. It's almost elementary. Anyone with brains knows you do the obvious to hide what you're really doing if you want to fool people. I would love a magician's take on that video. Obama didn't cook anything. He's for the American people and takes shit about it every day of his life. The Illuminati are failing at their world dominance plan and they don't like it. No 1%ers are going to rule us. Go Occupiers! You are helping to expose these creeps all over the world by unifying. You give the whistleblowers cover. I like that. Truth and justice will prevail. Now....stop buying the products of these evil-doers (thanks Bush). You can find the companies and products owned by the Koch brothers online for a start. Good Lord, please, please, keep that righteous wind at Obama's back.

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