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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:39 PM

A Complete Disaster for Romney

A Complete Disaster for Romney

by astral66

Romney spewed more lies tonight than any of us could possibly list, but the journalists will be poring over them for the next week, and matching them up with Romney's previous statements. Obama hung back and let Mitt hang himself. Mitt abandoned his platform, his campaign, his party tonight.

Obama wasn't aggressive, wasn't rude, wasn't smug. He gave his critics nothing new to put in a campaign ad. Romney has provided a wealth of lies to be used as contrast to his previous positions and statements.

I'm watching heads explode on MSNBC right now, but I think they missed it. Hayes and Sharpton seem to get it, the rest are disappointed that Obama wasn't an aggressive belligerent, as if he ever played that role.

I'm not worried, Obama has this.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/03/1139532/-A-Complete-Disaster-for-Romney

What is Mitt going to run on?


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Reply A Complete Disaster for Romney (Original post)
ProSense Oct 2012 OP
Turbineguy Oct 2012 #1
Daemonaquila Oct 2012 #2
intaglio Oct 2012 #32
abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #33
gkhouston Oct 2012 #36
CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #3
Heather MC Oct 2012 #4
BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #9
Heather MC Oct 2012 #19
BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #23
Heather MC Oct 2012 #24
BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #26
Michigan Alum Oct 2012 #27
Cha Oct 2012 #28
seabeyond Oct 2012 #5
BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #6
sadbear Oct 2012 #7
BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #10
Liberalynn Oct 2012 #43
solara Oct 2012 #8
Lex Oct 2012 #11
demwing Oct 2012 #12
solara Oct 2012 #20
Jennicut Oct 2012 #13
solara Oct 2012 #21
Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #30
solara Oct 2012 #45
renegade000 Oct 2012 #14
gulliver Oct 2012 #15
Gothmog Oct 2012 #16
hopeisaplace Oct 2012 #17
Sparkly Oct 2012 #18
Turborama Oct 2012 #22
cherish44 Oct 2012 #25
AzSweet Oct 2012 #29
Volaris Oct 2012 #31
liberallibral Oct 2012 #34
proud2BlibKansan Oct 2012 #37
eqfan592 Oct 2012 #38
Th1onein Oct 2012 #44
tsuki Oct 2012 #35
Amonester Oct 2012 #39
quaker bill Oct 2012 #40
ProSense Oct 2012 #41
porphyrian Oct 2012 #42

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:51 PM

1. That's my take away too.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:53 PM

2. Yes and no.

I can't stand the new meme of "Romney won." No, he didn't. He came across with lies, flip flops, and hyperbole, and hopefully Obama's campaign will crucify him for those. However, Obama came across as tired. Tired, not unsure, not halting, not passive. BUT, tired isn't good. I don't thing Obama "has this." If he did, he would have done the same debate with prep that included rest and energy. But he did a great job - the question is what happens with the sound bites, and fact checking coverage and ads over the next several weeks.

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Response to Daemonaquila (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:21 AM

32. The MSM were going to say "Romney won"

They would have said it even if he had broken down at the podium and wept saying as he sobbed, "Barrack I'm so sorry, you are a better President than I could ever be and you have better and more effective plans for restoring America,"

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Response to Daemonaquila (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:22 AM

33. The bookmakers liked rMoney's performance

" . . . According to one prominent offshore gambling site, Pinnacle Sports, Mr. Obama’s odds of winning the election declined to about 73 percent after the debate from around 80 percent beforehand."

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Response to Daemonaquila (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 03:09 AM

36. I don't think Obama was tired. I think Mitt was hyper, almost manic. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:54 PM

3. OFA and the DNC are going to be very busy putting ads together

out of Romney's own words.

It should be interesting to watch the RW crow about the "win"...until they realize what their candidate SAID.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:54 PM

4. I watched this in a Resturant tonight

and the people their were scratching their heads listening to Tweety go off.

What I saw was Mitt Romney being an asshole, and telling lie after lie.
Meanwhile the President actted more Presidental we don't need an Asshole president

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:59 PM

9. Romney was overly aggressive, and obviously playing mind-games

That might work in a board-room, but that shit don't play well on the international stage, and I think Americans know that. It also can't have helped with the female vote, who I get the feeling are more sensitive to attempts at intimidation. And the smile was creepy. I really don't know how you couldn't be wigged out by it. I have never believed in the Reptile Men conspiracy, but after seeing that smile of Mitt's, I'm a bit more of a believer. He looked like someone trying to IMITATE human expression.

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Response to BarackTheVote (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:13 AM

19. I noticed right after he spoke about 23 million people being out of work he smiled

I said out loud way is he so damn happy about that
It was weird. I believe the President understands his battle is not with Romney it's with the Voters and that's who he was talking to tonight. Mitt just wanted to once again revive up his idiotic base by being an Asshole. whoop dee do

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:28 AM

23. While simultaneously pissing off his base by relapsing into policy that they obviously dispise

Let's not forget that immediately after the last time he said he'd keep parts of ObamaCare, his surrogates came back and said he didn't mean it.

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Response to BarackTheVote (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:29 AM

24. they will do the same thing tomorrow

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:35 AM

26. Every seemingly moderate position he took tonight

will be undermined by pressure from the T.E.A. party. He might have surprised some people tonight, but any advantage he might have gotten tonight, however small, will evaporate as the Right Wing Machine kicks in tomorrow. Wromney and his strategists still doesn't understand that in today's information-saturated world, you can't tell one group one thing and another group the exact opposite. He's in a completely untenable position.

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Response to BarackTheVote (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:37 AM

27. Wouldn't it be a delicious irony if he were to lose because the Repubs think he's too liberal

N/t

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Response to BarackTheVote (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:41 AM

28. Great post..especially..

He looked like someone trying to IMITATE human expression.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:55 PM

5. as misanthrope reminded us, the goal of romney was a "aggressive belligerent" president. nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:55 PM

6. Yup.

Ads for weeks.

Rmoney described a health plan that kept everything that Obamacare has already. He would repeal Obamacare and replace it with....

Obamacare!

So what is "his" plan and why would he replace Obamacare with Obamacare?

And everyone knows his continual use of the same debunked lies over and over will now make all but Faux Snooze completely ignore them and focus on these "new" items that he proffered for scrutiny.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:57 PM

7. We have to rely on the MSM to do this?

I know Rachel will do her homework, but who else, Chris Hayes? Anyone else?

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Response to sadbear (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:02 AM

10. Lawrence and Al

were on to it too.

Ed & Tweety were their usual explosive selves and completely missed it because both have been pushing for "street fights". That is their nature. Punch first, think later. That often ends up with your butt in jail thinking "yeah, I socked him right in the kisser... heh heh", while you rot in your jail cell.

Rachael was wavering part by emotion and part for withholding too much criticism for later deeper analysis.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:26 AM

43. I am eagerly awaiting more of Rachel's take on this

of all the pundits etc, she always seems to me the most level headed. JMHO

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:57 PM

8. I totally agree with you

But I am having some trouble digesting Ed's downright anger towards President Obama and Rachel's quiet dismay and disappointment. Good grief, do they even KNOW who their President is? They -did- miss it. Hayes and Sharpton were a lot closer to getting it, I agree. Ed is used to the short game, obviously, but what is Rachel's excuse? And Chris.. geez they totally need some time to reflect.

I am disappointed in all three of them.. Ed, Rachel and Chris. They need to get a grip. And, unfortunately, some undecideds might make up their minds based on their reaction to our President tonight. For shame. And by the way, Ed.. President Obama wasn't looking down in submission, he was making NOTES.


O Ye of Little faith

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Response to solara (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:04 AM

11. Their expectations of Obama are that he's Superman soooo

of course they'll be disappointed.

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Response to solara (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:13 AM

12. Let them work

It helps cast Obama as the debate underdog. There are still 2 more debates to go.

Next debate, Obama will have a significant win, just watch. He'll be the comeback kid. American's love to see a hero stumble, but the thing they love more is to see redemption.

In the third debate, Mitt will have to go all out to get traction, and he will crack.Obama will just have to get out the way...

Planning. It works

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Response to demwing (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:16 AM

20. Indeed

Thank you for the reminder

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Response to solara (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:23 AM

13. You have to remember Ed and Chris are the working class white men type that

thrive on pure anger and passion. I like that about them but they always act emotional toward all issues they discuss on their shows.

I find Chris Hayes to actually be incredibly thoughtful and intelligent for someone so young (well, he is 4 years younger then me). He always thinks long term and not on pure emotion. And Al Sharpton has actually had the best show lately by picking Romney apart calmly. Obama is not the street fighter type (that is more VP Biden). Obama is the cool intellectual adult. He let Romney hang himself by himself and left himself with no negatives. Romney was arrogant, smug, rude, creepy (per lots and lots of twitter comments) and had this weird smirk all night (another twitter comment that came up alot). He also told tons of lies that the media will be poring over as they did with Paul Ryan's convention speech.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:17 AM

21. Yep I totally get this

Thank you for posting, you said it better than I ever could

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Response to solara (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:54 AM

30. I knew this about Ed and Tweety, but you can't criticize Rachel here at DU, as I have now for many

years. I've criticized her for the same reason I criticize Ed and Tweety: They are too emotional!! They whine! They get their analysis wrong at times because they are quick to fly off the handle before taking a deep breath and THINKING.

I've said this for many years: I like Rachel. I think she's brilliant. Very brilliant! But, there are times where she, like her colleagues, become too emotional. Too fragile.

Take two aspirin. Sleep on it. THINK!! Then come back tomorrow and tell me what you got.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #30)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 11:25 AM

45. Right with you there too!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:30 AM

14. Hopefully it was a Pyrrhic victory in the debate for Romney...

I just hope people actually realize the crazy contortions he did with his views in that performance.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:34 AM

15. I agree.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:43 AM

16. I watched this debate with Juanita Jean

I watch this debate with Juanita Jean http://juanitajean.com/ Susan Bankston was not happy with President Obama in that she wanted him to be more aggressive. I disagree with Susan and think that Romney really did himself some damage as noted by the OP.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:43 AM

17. I agree

In real estate there's a general belief that when a prospective buyer walks into a home you don't want them to go "all wow, ooh ahh, omg" as soon as they walk in - because from there it's usually down hill and when they're finished the viewing, they'll probably re-think their initial "wowed impression". It's better if they perk up, consistently throughout their viewing.

So I think Mitt may have had people blow their wad in the entry way...Yes, that's what I'm trying to say.

Fact checkers will not be kind on this debate, and that's the total viewing.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:48 AM

18. If there was any strategy, that was it.

"(T)he journalists will be poring over (Romney's lies) for the next week...."

That's putting a lot of faith in journalists. The media may well focus on Romney's "performance."

Time will soon tell.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:18 AM

22. K&R & Thanks for posting n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:32 AM

25. The people I've seen gushing over Romney in the debate

Just judging from the "casual" opinion polling place that is Facebook, the ones that are gushing over Romney's performance are people who were already going to vote for him anyway. The undecided ones are basically saying he reminded them a used car salesman but Obama didn't exactly wow them either

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:51 AM

29. At first, and still a little, I felt disappointment.

But you all are right. All he had to do was coast through, not give the rethugs any talking points, and let Mitt hang himself. Thanks for talking me down...I can sleep now : )

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Response to AzSweet (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:20 AM

31. Well, he's not quite "hung" yet,

but if that turns out to be the Team Obama long game (as far as the THREE debates are concerned), The President did a damn fine job of letting Mitt put the rope around his own neck...debate number 2 will see Mitt wandering around trying to talk to real people, (Town Hall format), and "wandering" himself right up onto the gallows...and because we around here are a lot smarter that our brethren over at Freeperville, you can probably infer the rest with out me having to lay it all out for you. By the time the next debate is over, Obama will be back to looking Golden, and Mitt will enter the third debate trying like hell to figure out which side of his own lies he should come down on.
Mitt thinks he had a good night, and since he didn't spend 90 minutes drooling on himself, I'd say that's true. But Obama didn't have a BAD night, and that's what counts for a Team that loves themselves the idea that when you play Baseball, you play THE WHOLE NINE INNINGS, and not a pitch less.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:25 AM

34. With all due respect... Um... Did Baghdad Bob Create This Post?

 

If that debate last night was a disaster... It was obviously a disaster for The President!

I've been a supporter of our President from the beginning, and clearly saw that. So did the honest hosts on MSNBC, like Ed, Chris and even Rachel......

If the President doesn't get his act together and cream Mitt The Twit back during the next 2 debates, we're all in a lot of trouble.

Trust me - if any "independents" were swayed tonight, they were not swayed towards President Obama...

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Response to liberallibral (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:31 AM

37. Exactly.

For all practical purposes, Romney won this one.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:36 AM

38. Both of you fail to see the big picture, period. (nt)

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Response to liberallibral (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:07 AM

44. Oh bullshit.

Romney is so far behind in the polls, Obama had to do NOTHING in this debate, and just quietly let Romney hang himself. Which, in fact, he did, of course. He pissed off his base, with his change in positions, and gave the Obama team enough fodder to last until the election. Romney "won" the battle last night, but he completely lost the war. He's toast.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:26 AM

35. He's going to run in his Flip-Flops. nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:59 AM

39. He's going to run on he needs to get a new accountant!

" ..you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas?

Look, I've been in business for 25 years.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I maybe need to get a new accountant."



Yep. Twenty-five years of shipping American jobs overseas, and all it does him?

A(nother) one-percenter 'joke' nobody except his class laughs about.


Guilt admission, LIVE, right there, and in the middle of a Presidential debate, no less!!

So the bully "won" the debate??? Seriously??

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:09 AM

40. Policy wise, I found this fascinating

Rmoney is going to "cut tax rates" to give the "job creators" more money, but he is going to "cut deductions" so they pay the "same amount", or so that "revenue stays the same". Bottom line the numbers in the boxes on the tax return change until you get to the bottom line where you end up writing the same tax check. But by writing the same check, they will "save money" and the money they "save" by paying the same number of dollars in taxes under a different "rate" will cause the economy to "grow".

His tax plan will not "reduce revenues" one thin dime while somehow "saving people money".

At the same time while keeping revenue "the same" he will massively increase defense spending, fund education, and "reduce the deficit".

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:22 AM

41. You agree with Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley:

O’Malley On Romney’s Agenda: ‘We Can All Eat Cake And Lose Weight’

Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, an Obama campaign surrogate, said that Mitt Romney failed to explain how he would pay for his domestic policy agenda in the first presidential debate.

"We can all eat cake and lose weight," O'Malley said on CNN Thursday, summarizing Romney's stance. "Trust me, I've got a secret plan behind door No. 2."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/omalley-on-romneys-agenda-we-can-all-eat

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:24 AM

42. . n/t

 

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