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It's the damned Mongols' fault

No it probably isn't, but who knows? I'm just channeling my inner Eric Flint and indulging in some alternate history. It is however very discouraging to look at the turmoil and horrors of a great part of the Islamic world today and compare it to the Islamic Golden Age, which essentially collapsed today in 1258 when the Mongols sacked Baghdad and broke the Abbasid caliphate.

Any thread mentioning Islam invariably gets at least one defensive response that Islamic regimes were once, and for centuries, far ahead of both Christian Europe and Imperial China in art, science, technology and learning. They gave the world great advances in math and engineering and government, as well as being far more tolerant and cosmopolitan than other regimes to outsiders.

All absoluitely true. That was under the Abbasids. Thanks, Mongols for fucking that up.

Now obviously it wasn't a toggle switch between the Abbasids and ISIS. The Ottomans had some good points without a doubt for a start, and the Mamluks weren't hell on earth either. Moorish Spain varied between enlightened pluralism and snappish oligarchy for another 200 plus years, but the great Golden Age of Islam died today in 1258. And while it's trendy to blame Euro-whitey for everything Islamic extremists do today, it's worth pointing out the Crusades petered out before the Abbasids did, and both the Mamluks and the Ottoman Turks suffered great humiliation at the hands of westerners without any similar responses. Heck the surviving outposts of the Abbasids didn't start kidnapping and beheading Mongols in 1258. Maybe they should have. Restoring THAT caliphate would not have been a bad thing.

US weekly jobless claims total 271,000 vs 275,000 estimate

Source: CNBC

The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits last week fell from a five-month high, suggesting sustained labor market healing that could lead to further Federal Reserve interest rate hikes next year.


Initial claims for state unemployment benefits dropped 11,000 to a seasonally adjusted 271,000 for the week ended Dec. 12, the Labor Department said on Thursday. The prior week's claims were unrevised.

It was the 41st straight week that claims remained below 300,000, a threshold associated with strong labor market conditions. That is the longest such run since the early 1970s.


Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/17/us-weekly-jobless-claims-dec-12-2015.html



Have I missed this today? Apologies if duplicated. Decent but not earth shattering stable news from the DOL today. Only the length of the sub-300k threshold string is all that noteworthy.

Remember these are INITIAL claims, a proxy for layoffs, and are not in any way affected by benefit expiry etc. They are reported by the DOL, of which the BLS, which provides UE data, is a distinct and separate reporting agency.

Just me or others not able to expand topics subfolders on left hand menu?

The little gray arrows just aren't working aat all for me. Same?
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