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Holder is putting 40 agents into the area

http://www.freep.com/article/20140817/NEWS07/308170137/ferguson-shooting-curfew-quiet
The Justice Department said Sunday it would perform a separate, "independent" autopsy of Michael Brown's body "due to the extraordinary circumstances involved in this case."

The autopsy was at the request of the Brown family
, according to a statement by the Justice Department.
...
Nixon also said it was important to have thorough local and FBI investigations completed as soon as possible.

"Attorney General Holder said he is putting 40 agents into the area to accelerate the process," Nixon said. "It's important to get this right. It has to be transparent justice, it has to be thorough justice."

I don't think so on this "sees the cigars and then drives away"

I think it might have been more like this based upon what has been said:

"sees the cigars as he's driving away. It then clicks in that these guys may be the cigar robbery suspects and he backs his cruiser up to address that .. which leads to the altercation"

I wasn't there. I don't know if that is exactly what happened. But it is quite plausible based upon what we've been told so far.

But again, that doesn't excuse the officer for blowing a guy away with his hands up. All it might explain is the sequence of events that led up to that moment.

This is critical evidence

Great that something like this is happening to reduce questions about what transpired.

Here's other reports on it

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/
Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said.

Hours later, however, Jackson told a slightly different story to CNN and NBC, saying that Wilson noticed Brown was carrying a box of cigars that had been reported stolen. Wilson, he said, initially stopped Brown for blocking traffic, but as he began driving past Brown, he noticed Brown was holding cigars.

At that point, Wilson "made the connection" that Brown might have been involved in a theft that had just been broadcast on police radio, Jackson said.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-chief-names-darren-wilson-cop-who-shot-michael-brown-n181326
Thomas Jackson, the police chief of Ferguson, Missouri, said later that the officer did not know Brown was a suspect in the robbery when he stopped Brown. Asked why Brown and a friend were stopped, the chief said: “Because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic.” Jackson later said that "at some point" during the encounter, the officer saw the cigars in Brown's hands and thought he might be a suspect.

What makes you think we're not going to get his statement?

According to the Post-Dispatch, Jackson was more definitive:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-stopped-michael-brown-for-walking-in-street-but/article_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html?mobile_touch=true
The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.

Here's my take on those so far:

As it pertains to this particular case (robbery, shooting & riots):

Use of excessive force. - he suspended the officer who may have done that to Brown & within hours, he gave control to the St Louis country police for the riots and the investigation of the shooting
Racism. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet
Violation of civil rights. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet
Illegal arrests. - all I've seen is him turn loose people who were illegally arrested by other officers but in fairness to him, he gave control to the St Louis country police for the riots
Abuse of power. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet
Falsifying evidence. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet
Perjury. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet and there have not been any official proceedings required for perjury related to this case yet
Corruption. - I have not seen him guilty of that in this case yet

I'm not saying those things are impossible to be true. Maybe I've missed something but I honestly just haven't seen anything that soundly justifies those allegations against the Ferguson Police Chief yet.

Having said that, he is chief over a very predominantly white police force who police over citizens who are predominantly black. Should we question the civil rights seemingly violated with his hiring practices? You bet.

Why are the officers who did this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
still employed as Ferguson Police officers?
The injustice still continues as the officers were granted "official immunity":
http://diasforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/henry_m_davis_vs_city_of_ferguson_excessive_force2.pdf
Makes my head spin.

I could go on and on.

If you're a 300 lb guy like Mike Brown and you see police doing stuff to your friends and neighbors like they did to Henry Davis and getting away with it, you can be easily provoked into taking matters into your own hands because you're big enough to do something about it - standing up for people you care about.

In fairness, I'm sure there's another side to some of these stories.

But on that front, there is clearly a significant problem in Ferguson with their police - some of it apparently racial. Since all this crap was happening on Chief Jackson's watch, he and his minions simply need to go. They need someone the community seems to respect like Captain Ron Johnson to come in to clean house and bring law and order that respects civil rights to a festering situation that threatens to spiral out of control to harm more good people.

I know the parents of the shot kids at Kent State had

a heck of a time trying to sue the government. They had to go all the way to the Supreme Court. At the end, they got $15,000 per son/daughter and are still searching for the truth about who gave the order. It isn't always easy.

According to the police logs and media reports, the EMS was dispatched immediately and the ambulance that had been on a sick call minutes before with Wilson attended to Brown. So did another officer who was investigating the robbery.

My understanding of the Ferguson police is that they're well armed with powerful handguns that have stopping power. If one takes a slug from one of those weapons in the face, as was reported happened to Brown, that alone can be catastrophic. Based on the number of shell casings police reported and eye witness reports, Brown was hit several times. They probably took a look and quickly concluded "There's nothing we can do for him".

At that point, they leave the body where it is to minimize disturbing the crime scene - as is procedure.

What would be the charge against "the Mayor, City Attorney, Aldermen" and/or

the Police Chief?

I have my doubts that will matter much

The police have confirmed Mike Brown was unarmed. = they didn't plant a weapon on him.

The police have confirmed the only spent shell casings belonged to the officer and that he fired several shots. = they didn't plant any other evidence that could help their fellow officer there.

Mike Brown is dead full of lead from the officer's gun roughly 35 feet from the cruiser where their altercation began. = they couldn't do much physically to the crime scene with everybody watching.

Several witnesses describe Brown running away until he's shot, turning around and putting his hands up. And then they describe the officer pumping several more shots into Brown. = so far, the police haven't presented any witnesses or evidence to refute that.

I've been over that and over that trying to imagine what excuse the officer could come up with to justify his actions or what other evidence could exist to bail him out. And all I can do is shrug my shoulders. (sarcasm "I thought my life was in danger because he was going to throw the box of stolen rellos at me from 35 feet" /sarcasm")

My guess: I think the officer got injured in their scuffle around the cruiser, stepped out pissed off and blew him away.

In light of the above, I'm at a loss to imagine what the police could do with evidence to defend Wilson.

Then again, I was shocked and stunned when Zimmerman got away with blowing Trayvon Martin away. There seem to be no guarantees when you get in a court room.

... when Wilson originally stopped him

but Jackson went on to suggest Wilson later saw the cigars and put two and two together - which may have been why he backed up his cruiser after starting to drive off.
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