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I'm not positive but I recall a couple of days ago

something to the effect that Wilson remained at the crime seen for hours (six is the number I recall) and then went to the hospital for treatment of his swollen face. St Louis County police were in charge not long after the shooting.

Dana Loesch has worked with/for CNN before

(I don't particularly care for or trust her opinions)

Alleged Friend Of Officer Darren Wilson Offers His Side Aug 15th
http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/

I did see or hear some observations about brains on the road

The crowd that gathered and contributed audio to the crime scene videos were commenting that he was dead - before EMS appeared.

Those head shots were pretty catastrophic

The log said EMS were called at 12:04

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
Log for Wilson on prior call for sick child was between 11:45 and 12:00.
Robbery at around 11:52am
Altercation between Wilson and Brown starts at around 12:01-12:02
EMS were called at 12:04 (that may have been after the first shot fired as Wilson didn't get out of his cruiser right away - may have radioed it in then)

EMS who helped child arrive on scene at ? (some minutes later)

I'm not sure how much one can blame the police for EMS response time. Crowd forming may have contributed to their delay.

Says who?

What police agency releases an incomplete report on a shooting ?

The Jackson police released info on the robbery as they were compelled to do under the Sunshine Act.

I don't get this.

The investigation of the shooting is ongoing.

They've had press conferences to outline what they're up to.

The St Louis County Police are conducting the investigation - not the Ferguson police.
The FBI/AG Holder are looking into the Civil Rights aspects.

The prosecutor says the next step will be to take the evidence collected when they've completed their investigation to a Grand Jury. They've already started work towards preparing for the Grand Jury to speed this along as best as they reasonably can without compromising the case.

Who promised a police report on the shooting would already be delivered at this point?

This is not Chief Jackson's call - whether to charge Wilson or not - whatsoever. So the top post seems nonsensical to me.

I posted video of EMS

checking Brown out not long after the shooting

That's a good point. Made me think of something.

I just rotated my hands at my desk. I'd guess I can rotate my palms more than 270 degrees. My forearm also significantly rotates - obviously not as much.

In light of that, I'd like to present something that may make Dorian Johnson's "shot in the back" more plausible (that I maybe wrongly criticized above). Although Mike wasn't shot in the back, he could have been running with his back to the cop when his forearm took a bullet and that wound was what caused him to stop running. Because the wound as documented in that forearm could occur in that place when one has their back to a shooter. And I think that would be a more natural orientation of the forearm if one were running.

So maybe all Johnson got wrong with the "shot in the back" term was more accurately, Mike was "shot in the forearm" while running away with his back to the cop.

The thumb wound is arguably possible to have occurred that way as well but it seems more like a longer graze.

From that, the other point I thought of is Mike was allegedly first wounded while at the window of the cruiser. The head shots were catastrophic so it's unlikely to be them. The hand wound had no GSR so it's unlikely to be that. The forearm as per the above is most likely to be the wound that stopped him from running away. Johnson said Mike was wounded on the right side when he was by the car. The two wounds in his right chest are secondary. That leaves one of the two entrance wounds in his upper right arm as the one inflicted while he was at the cruiser and maybe a secondary wound to his chest there. Just an fyi while we try to figure this autopsy out.

Some years ago, a cop pulled me over.

They accused me of:
1. Speeding 75mph on a 60mph highway
2. Being impaired
3. There was a warrant out for my arrest

Here's the problem they had with that:
1. My car transmission had partially failed the day before. The car was physically incapable of exceeding 50mph because it couldn't get past 2nd gear
2. I hadn't had anything to drink in a month. I later blew 0.000000000 on their super duper breathalyzer at the station
3. There's never been a warrant nor have I ever been legitimately suspected by the police of any crime in my lifetime.

I started out polite and compliant with the officer though I denied their allegations.

Since I was being arrested, I turned to my friend to hand him my bank card and give him the phone number of my lawyer so I could get bailed out.

The officer reached in the open window of my car and tried to physically drag me out through the window. Big mistake for that cop. But only to point out that I can relate to Mike grappling with a cop through the window of a car. I've had a few flashbacks. I subdued the cop by twisting their arm, rolled up the window on their arm and started my engine. I told that cop we were going to a police station and now he had a choice which way they were going to arrive at that station: in a civil manner or wiped off on a telephone post. They chose to go to the police station in a civilized manner.

At the police station, when I went to charge them for assault, they broke down into tears and confessed that my bogus speeding ticket was just them trying to meet a "quota" that had been assigned to them.

I had another run in with six of them doing a Rodney King to a guy and I shut that down by telling them my friend was filming them from down the street (which was BS as I hadn't connected with my friend yet).

So I can't blindly give an officer the benefit of the doubt. Most of the police around me are excellent, good people. I always start out with them nicely and respectfully, etc. And I'd help any cop in a pickle in a second and I have before. But rest assured that I'm not oblivious to the notion that there are a few bad cops out there. And Darren Wilson just might be one of those bad cops.

I remain suspicious of the officer using excessive force

An unarmed man has been shot dead. That continues to smell bad to me.

But I'd like proof beyond reasonable doubt one way or the other. That's justice and what this situation deserves. Whether we get it, remains to be seen. It's not always easy to get - it sometimes has to be worked for.

Sometimes, there are cases where we simply can't figure it out to that degree of certainty. Sometimes, there are cases where we think we've got it figured out and later, it turns out we were wrong. Hopefully, that doesn't happen here.

In the interim, playing devil's advocate to scrutinize both sides of the evidence isn't a bad exercise because I think it moves us closer to the indisputable truth of what really happened.

I'm not out to merely or blindly defend the officer. Truly, I'm not. If he's guilty, I hope they hammer him.

As I said above

"So the autopsy refutes that specific allegation (not necessarily his whole account)."

I haven't concluded one way or the other whether the officer murdered Brown or acted in self defense.
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