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Convicting Darren Wilson Will Be Basically Impossible
But generally, we expect situations of justified violence and legal killing to be the rare exception, and most people would probably imagine that policemen and citizens raising claims of justifiable homicide must meet a substantive burden of proof. But in Missouri, these justifications barely require any evidence at all.
Not only is the Ferguson police force a disgrace. So are the Missouri laws that protect it.
If they go through with this as laid out above, I fear people will die. Rodney King II
Posted by cleduc | Thu Aug 21, 2014, 06:53 AM (1 replies)
I did look at EMS for Brown. The police logs show them being called at 12:04 - right after the shooting. And there is video of them attending to Brown, checking his pulse, etc.
The outstanding question I have is why EMS did not arrive sooner than they did. They arrived fairly shortly/minutes after the shooting - it wasn't hours later. But when they arrived, police tape was already up all around the crime scene so it was more than a couple of minutes. The EMS guy walked to Brown - no jogging or rushing.
It's possible EMS were told it was kind of a formality because Brown was dead and his brains on the road. That was apparent to a number of the bystanders who shot the crime scene videos. They yelled out at the EMS guy "he's dead!" or something to that effect.
Posted by cleduc | Thu Aug 21, 2014, 06:06 AM (0 replies)
I'm way beyond revenge.
150 years after the Civil War. 50 years after MLK. And so many others who died or sacrificed.
We have a man as president who I think is absolutely wonderful, the best president ever to me and a racist congress who won't work with him - putting their ignorant hatred ahead of their country and it's people. Some of the ugly things they've said or lied about him make me cringe and feel wounded for him. And from a distance, the blacks in places like Ferguson see this.
I could fill in with so many more examples like Trayvon Martin - not only with the injustice of letting his murderer go free but with the awful racism that sprung up to belittle the victim and "his kind". Makes me sick.
And tonight in Ferguson, unarmed Mike Brown lies dead. Henry Davis is having to appeal his case against four officers who wrongfully arrested him and after they beat him because he wouldn't accept sleeping on a concrete floor, charged him with getting blood on their uniforms. The city government, school board & police force are almost 100% controlled by a white minority who issue more warrants per year than they have people and 50% more court cases than households disproportionately against blacks. And that drives the blacks deeper into poverty, depriving them of their right to vote because there's a warrant or a felony conviction against them. That leads to taking "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" away from them. Makes my head spin.
Maybe overwhelmed with disdain for this situation, I'm reading this wrong and overreacting but it sure looks like blatant oppression to me. 14,160 blacks live in Ferguson - in something that resembles a police state ... "in the land of the free". And this appears to have been happening ALL THEIR LIVES!!!
It's outrageous. Unbelievable in this day and age. A terrible disgrace and stain on this country.
I feel embarrassment, shame, disgust, frustration, anger, contempt, sadness, disappointment .... my heart aches for these people and what they've been put through. Many must feel hopeless.
We can't waste our time on revenge. Getting some justice may help to deter others and provide some healing but there may not be enough courts and judges to get all that done in our lifetimes. Look at all the effort it's going to take to deal with one cop who shot an unarmed man.
So they have to find a way to fix this problem faster.
When I see this problem, it leaves me wondering "where else is this happening?" Maybe there are things like arrest stats by race or ratios of white vs black government leaders vs mix of race in the population that could help identify them.
And then Ferguson can be used as a model of empowerment to solve the broader problem. Maybe the "fix" could be a series of steps that other communities or cities can execute.
- pardons for a bunch of the warrants or laws that ignore felons/warrants to allow them to vote
- recall the city government, school board, etc and hold a new vote
- dismiss the worst offenders on the police force - those with the most complaints or something like that
- hiring freeze on whites for all positions in city government, police, fire dept, etc until the racial imbalance is corrected
- implement body cams for the police force
The black community leaders should be consulted and involved to help design what is effective and appropriate.
To me, something like that is what is needed here. And needed soon.
Posted by cleduc | Thu Aug 21, 2014, 05:51 AM (0 replies)
They've raised $30 mil more than last year in only three weeks.
I'm sure it will peter out but it's still seems to going strong. My daughter went to a special local event last night with a change of clothes to do it. It seems to still be growing.
Very, very sad about Cory. But when folks find out, that may give it a big boost. When Terry Fox had to stop his run for cancer because he'd developed lung cancer, it triggered more publicity and an enormous boost to his cause.
It wouldn't shock me if they hit $60-$100 mil with this amazing effort.
It is a horrific disease. Hopefully, this money will deliver some meaningful treatment.
Posted by cleduc | Wed Aug 20, 2014, 09:22 PM (0 replies)
I never said a bunch of what you allege nor do I believe the things you allege.
Since you've misunderstood, then maybe I didn't make myself clear so I'll try to clarify.
Wilson shot an unarmed man. He has a big problem. He has to justify his actions or he's going to jail. It's pretty hard to justify shooting an unarmed man.
To justify his actions, Wilson is alleged to take the position that Mike bum rushed him and when Mike allegedly did, according to Wilson, Wilson felt threatened that Wilson's life or well being was in danger. It's about the only thing I can imagine Wilson can say to try to save his butt. But to be clear: I'm not saying that. I'm just repeating roughly what has been alleged as Wilson's position.
I'm saying in my prior post that even if one believed Wilson (again, I'm not saying I believe Wilson), Wilson's still not out of the woods because following Wilson's alleged story and the ballistics/autopsy, Wilson's actions very arguably could be construed as he provoked Mike to act desperately. So Wilson's still not off the hook.
Wilson isn't saying "Yeah, I chased the unarmed the black SOB down and exterminated him - throw away the keys". He's going to fight it. In response, I'm kicking around the expected debate to counter with "here's one way to fight back".
No race has a monopoly on stupidity or brilliance.
Although the autopsy report is formally "inconclusive", so far, I have real trouble reconciling Wilson's account with the autopsy. I fully appreciate what the witnesses who have come forward and said in front of a camera that refute Wilson's account. Although I reserved final judgement until I've head all the evidence, I find those witnesses more credible.
Ferguson is a another disgraceful example in a string of way too many unacceptable examples of over-the-top outrageous and heinous white privilege.
Hopefully, that clears up your misunderstanding of what I was trying to say in my prior post.
Posted by cleduc | Wed Aug 20, 2014, 09:03 PM (1 replies)
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Posted by cleduc | Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:08 PM (1 replies)
that I suspected the lower forearm wound was quite possibly obtained when Mike was running away and that's what caused him to stop.
In other words, not only did Wilson shoot while Mike ran away ... it's quite plausible he hit him. He just didn't hit him where Dorian Johnson thought he'd been hit - in the back.
Again, that's somewhat speculative on my part but I don't think it's unreasonable to point out it is quite possible Mike got hit by a bullet while he was running away.
On the subject of conjecture, I'll do a Star Trek and go "where no man's gone before":
Cop backs his cruiser up, jumps you and you're shot in the cruiser.
You try to run and get shot
You stop but the cop keeps coming at you still popping
Are you going to stand there and let him finish you off?
Maybe you'll take a crazy run at that cop to try to save your life.
In other words, even if the cops supposed claim that Mike ran at him were to be believed, he may well have arguably provoked it and left Mike, an unarmed man with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, little choice.
Food for thought
Posted by cleduc | Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:03 PM (2 replies)
A few selections from the link above:
Obama has been the biggest spending President in history! FALSE. Year to year spending increases have been less than 1%. They’ve also been at their lowest rate of year to year increases since Eisenhower.
On and on they go ..
Posted by cleduc | Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:41 PM (1 replies)
I've been trying for a couple of days to get a copy of the code of ethics for Ferguson or St Louis county. Website links won't respond. Maybe under the circumstances, that's symbolic.
Here's one for Concoria, Missouri
As a law enforcement officer, my fundamental duty is to serve the community; to safeguard lives and property; to protect the innocent against deception, the weak against oppression or intimidation, and the peaceful against violence or disorder; and to respect the constitutional rights of all to liberty, equality and justice.
In light of Mike Brown, Henry Davis, the massive number of warrants issued against blacks in Ferguson, media arrests and even this guy pointing his gun "I will f'in kill you", I thought reviewing the standards of behavior these officers are sworn to deliver and bolding a few phrases for emphasis might be of interest.
Posted by cleduc | Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:13 PM (1 replies)
They wouldn't be dishing out 3 warrants per household every year or whatever that crazy stat was - fewer cops required.
That might be offset by fewer fines but it has contributed to doubling poverty there so a bunch of those fines weren't ever getting paid anyway.
I hope Obama gives serious consideration to trying to help these folks with some pardons. It would be a wonderful gesture to these oppressed people that their president reached out directly to demonstrate to the country that they matter.
A bunch of these warrants stink and would be suffocating a bunch of innocent folks.
Posted by cleduc | Wed Aug 20, 2014, 05:30 PM (0 replies)