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The thing that blew me away is

They've raised $30 mil more than last year in only three weeks.

I'm sure it will peter out but it's still seems to going strong. My daughter went to a special local event last night with a change of clothes to do it. It seems to still be growing.

Very, very sad about Cory. But when folks find out, that may give it a big boost. When Terry Fox had to stop his run for cancer because he'd developed lung cancer, it triggered more publicity and an enormous boost to his cause.

It wouldn't shock me if they hit $60-$100 mil with this amazing effort.

It is a horrific disease. Hopefully, this money will deliver some meaningful treatment.

You've really misunderstood my post. Big time.

I never said a bunch of what you allege nor do I believe the things you allege.

Since you've misunderstood, then maybe I didn't make myself clear so I'll try to clarify.

Wilson shot an unarmed man. He has a big problem. He has to justify his actions or he's going to jail. It's pretty hard to justify shooting an unarmed man.

To justify his actions, Wilson is alleged to take the position that Mike bum rushed him and when Mike allegedly did, according to Wilson, Wilson felt threatened that Wilson's life or well being was in danger. It's about the only thing I can imagine Wilson can say to try to save his butt. But to be clear: I'm not saying that. I'm just repeating roughly what has been alleged as Wilson's position.

I'm saying in my prior post that even if one believed Wilson (again, I'm not saying I believe Wilson), Wilson's still not out of the woods because following Wilson's alleged story and the ballistics/autopsy, Wilson's actions very arguably could be construed as he provoked Mike to act desperately. So Wilson's still not off the hook.

Wilson isn't saying "Yeah, I chased the unarmed the black SOB down and exterminated him - throw away the keys". He's going to fight it. In response, I'm kicking around the expected debate to counter with "here's one way to fight back".

No race has a monopoly on stupidity or brilliance.

Although the autopsy report is formally "inconclusive", so far, I have real trouble reconciling Wilson's account with the autopsy. I fully appreciate what the witnesses who have come forward and said in front of a camera that refute Wilson's account. Although I reserved final judgement until I've head all the evidence, I find those witnesses more credible.

Ferguson is a another disgraceful example in a string of way too many unacceptable examples of over-the-top outrageous and heinous white privilege.

Hopefully, that clears up your misunderstanding of what I was trying to say in my prior post.

$31.5 Million in Donations to The ALS Association

http://www.alsa.org/news/media/press-releases/ice-bucket-challenge-082014.html
Washington, D.C. (August 20, 2014) — As of Wednesday, August 20, The ALS Association has received $31.5 million in donations compared to $1.9 million during the same time period last year (July 29 to August 20). These donations have come from existing donors and 637,527 new donors to The Association.


amazing

I posted in the autopsy thread with some lengthy reasoning/conjecture

that I suspected the lower forearm wound was quite possibly obtained when Mike was running away and that's what caused him to stop.

In other words, not only did Wilson shoot while Mike ran away ... it's quite plausible he hit him. He just didn't hit him where Dorian Johnson thought he'd been hit - in the back.

Again, that's somewhat speculative on my part but I don't think it's unreasonable to point out it is quite possible Mike got hit by a bullet while he was running away.

On the subject of conjecture, I'll do a Star Trek and go "where no man's gone before":

Cop backs his cruiser up, jumps you and you're shot in the cruiser.
You try to run and get shot
You stop but the cop keeps coming at you still popping
Are you going to stand there and let him finish you off?
Maybe not.
Maybe you'll take a crazy run at that cop to try to save your life.

In other words, even if the cops supposed claim that Mike ran at him were to be believed, he may well have arguably provoked it and left Mike, an unarmed man with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, little choice.

Food for thought

Trayvon and Mike aren't the only blacks they've lied about

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/debunking-almost-every-republican-lie-against-president-obama/

A few selections from the link above:
Obama has been the biggest spending President in history! FALSE. Year to year spending increases have been less than 1%. They’ve also been at their lowest rate of year to year increases since Eisenhower.

Obama is a Muslim!

Obama isn’t an American!

Obama is responsible for the immigration crisis!
FALSE. He’s actually just following the law signed in 2008 by George W. Bush dictating how we must treat immigrants from non-contiguous countries.

Obama is the reason why our troops were pulled out of Iraq! FALSE. Actually we pulled our troops out of Iraq because of a SOFA agreement that was signed by George W. Bush.

Obama has ruled like a dictator with his use of executive orders! FALSE. He’s actually on pace to issue fewer executive orders than both Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

Obama is a Communist/Socialist/Fascist! FALSE. They’re all different—it’s impossible to be all 3. Then with stocks setting new records and increasing by more than 100% since their lows in 2009 - he would be the worst Communist, Socialist or Fascist that has ever existed. -

Obama is always on vacation! FALSE. President Obama took 131 vacation days in his first 4 years in office. That puts him on pace for 262 days during 8 years in the White House. By contrast Bush took 1,020 days (including a 5-week vacation–the longest by any President in nearly 4 decades), and Reagan took 484 days. Once again for the mathematically challenged, Obama is on pace to take fewer vacations than both Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

The economy has gotten worse under Obama! FALSE. Are you insane ... We’ve also created 9.9 million private sector jobs for 53 consecutive months of private sector job growth.

Those jobs numbers are a lie! No, they’re from the same source which Republicans have used

Obamacare is unconstitutional! FALSE. The Affordable Care Act was passed by Congress, signed by the President and the Supreme Court ruled that it was in fact Constitutional.

Obama has been terrible for business! FALSE. Corporate profits are up 171% since President Obama took office and are at their highest levels, relative to the size of economic growth, since 1947.

Obama has waged a war on the rich! FALSE. We’ve set a new record for number of millionaires in the United States at 9.6 million.


On and on they go ..

Code of Ethics

I've been trying for a couple of days to get a copy of the code of ethics for Ferguson or St Louis county. Website links won't respond. Maybe under the circumstances, that's symbolic.

Here's one for Concoria, Missouri
http://concordiamo.com/?q=site-page/police-code-ethics
As a law enforcement officer, my fundamental duty is to serve the community; to safeguard lives and property; to protect the innocent against deception, the weak against oppression or intimidation, and the peaceful against violence or disorder; and to respect the constitutional rights of all to liberty, equality and justice.

I will keep my private life unsullied as an example to all and will behave in a manner that does not bring discredit to me or my agency. I will maintain courageous calm in the face of danger, scorn, or ridicule; develop self-restraint; and be constantly mindful of the welfare of others. Honest in thought and deed in both my personal and official life, I will be exemplary in obeying the law and the regulations of my department. Whatever I see or hear of a confidential nature or that is confided to me in my official capacity will be kept ever secret, unless revelation is necessary in the performance of my duty.

I will never act officiously or permit personal feelings, prejudices, political beliefs, aspirations, animosities or friendships to influence my decisions. With no compromise for crime and the relentless prosecution of criminals, I will enforce the law courteously and appropriately without fear or favor, malice or ill will, never employing unnecessary force or violence and never accepting gratuities.

I recognize the badge of my office as a symbol of public faith, and I accept it as a public trust to be held so long as I am true to the ethics of the police service. I will never engage in acts of corruption of bribery, nor will I condone such acts by other police officers. I will cooperate with all legally authorized agencies and their representatives in the pursuit of justice.

I know that I alone am responsible for my own standard of professional performance and will take every reasonable opportunity to enhance and improve my level of knowledge and competence.

I will constantly strive to achieve these objectives and ideals, dedicating myself before God to my chosen profession . . .


In light of Mike Brown, Henry Davis, the massive number of warrants issued against blacks in Ferguson, media arrests and even this guy pointing his gun "I will f'in kill you", I thought reviewing the standards of behavior these officers are sworn to deliver and bolding a few phrases for emphasis might be of interest.

They could probably save some money too

They wouldn't be dishing out 3 warrants per household every year or whatever that crazy stat was - fewer cops required.

That might be offset by fewer fines but it has contributed to doubling poverty there so a bunch of those fines weren't ever getting paid anyway.

I hope Obama gives serious consideration to trying to help these folks with some pardons. It would be a wonderful gesture to these oppressed people that their president reached out directly to demonstrate to the country that they matter.

A bunch of these warrants stink and would be suffocating a bunch of innocent folks.

I looked up a few shootings and deaths on google randomly

The quickest shooting death I saw was 2 hrs 45 mins from the time they found the body to removal

Whitney Houston (not a shooting) at 9 hrs was the longest I saw

I saw a number at 3-4 hours.

Two significant things would slow down the processing of this crime scene over some that I saw:
1. They called in the St Louis County police to process a Ferguson police crime scene
(ie lots of chatter between the two, additional time to respond, etc)
2. There were a lot of shots fired and most were outside of the vehicle - bullets not easily found stuck in a 2x4 in someone's basement.

So I'm not buying the 5 hours taken to process this crime scene as automatically sinister because they took a while.

Hope so

Apparently Holder is looking at the Henry Davis case (the guy wrongfully arrested and charged with getting his blood on officers uniforms). A key perpetrator of that is now on the city council.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/from-ferguson-cop-embroiled-in-a-brutality-suit-to-city-councilwoman.html
One Ferguson cop who has proved worth a good look is Eddie Boyd, who was previously with the St. Louis Police Department. He left there after twice being accused of striking youngsters with his service weapon, one a 16-year-old boy, the other a girl of just 12.

Boyd won a case brought against him in civil court, but the Administrative Hearing Commission of the State of Missouri recommended that the department discipline him for two counts of “committing a criminal act and for committing an act while on active duty that involved a reckless disregard for the safety of a person.”

Still, the Ferguson police department was happy to hire him, adding another white to a 52-member department that has only three black officers. He has since been sued in federal court by a man named Eugene McAllister, who filed a handwritten complaint alleging that Boyd and two other officers beat him as he held up his hands as ordered following a car chase on January 26, 2011.

“Plaintiff never created a threatening move towards any officer but continued to state, ‘I give! I give!’” the complaint says. “Officer Eddie Boyd then started beating plaintiff in the head and body by punching him over and over.”

Boyd has denied the allegation.

And then there were Tihen and three other cops in a brutality case that had been all but forgotten.


Typically 20% of something causes 80% of the problem. start by replacing 10 of the worst offenders along with the police chief and his top minions (20-25% of the force), with all black personnel, and I bet things would get substantially better. If there's still trouble, get rid of another 10 or whatever. They only have 3 black cops and should have 35 to match the mix of races in that city. With their behavior to date, a bunch of heads could roll.

Further to my post

Here's some of Holder's words:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/a-message-to-the-people-of-ferguson/article_ea8b7358-67a3-5187-af8c-169567f27a0d.html
At the same time, good law enforcement requires forging bonds of trust between the police and the public. This trust is all-important, but it is also fragile. It requires that force be used in appropriate ways. Enforcement priorities and arrest patterns must not lead to disparate treatment under the law, even if such treatment is unintended. And police forces should reflect the diversity of the communities they serve.

Over the years, we have made significant progress in ensuring that this is the case. But progress is not an endpoint; it is a measure of effort and of commitment. Constructive dialogue should continue — but it must also be converted into concrete action. And it is painfully clear, in cities and circumstances across our great nation, that more progress, more dialogue, and more action is needed.

This is my pledge to the people of Ferguson: Our investigation into this matter will be full, it will be fair, and it will be independent. And beyond the investigation itself, we will work with the police, civil rights leaders, and members of the public to ensure that this tragedy can give rise to new understanding — and robust action — aimed at bridging persistent gaps between law enforcement officials and the communities we serve. Long after the events of Aug. 9 have receded from the headlines, the Justice Department will continue to stand with this community.
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