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Starfish dying in the NW Pacific

The link below goes to a thread I started last January.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4381218

This is a copy of that OP:


We've all heard about how the starfish have been dying in the waters in the NW Pacific Ocean. Divers claim to have seen them melt away right before their eyes. Melting is what happens when a starfish dies. So what is making the starfish die? No one seems to know. So I have done a bit of research and in the following posts will share that research with you.

In summary, starfish are known to be an 'keystone' specie. That means starfish populations have direct effects on other species in the starfish habitat. Starfish are fairly unique in that they can regenerate parts of their bodies. How they do that is not exactly clear. But in that sense they are very special.

Starfish eat many things. Mostly bottom dwelling things. Like mussels. It has been discovered that if starfish are removed from some locations, mussel populations explode. It has been discovered that mussels near Alaska have very high concentrations of radioisotopes. When starfish eat these mussels, the radioisotopes then are in the starfish. That is known as moving up the food chain.

How do mussels get the plutonium in them? Mussels are filter feeders. Mussels feed by filtering water and taking suspended solids from that water. Plutonium, and other heavy metals drift to the bottom where the mussels are, and the mussels, in their feeding, filter out the plutonium which ends up in the mussel's meat which the starfish eat.

Conclusion: Atmospheric deposition of radioisotopes from Fukushima is established. Plutonium from Fukushima has been found in mussels in the NW Pacific. Starfish eat mussels. Starfish are dying and causing researchers great alarm. It is possible that plutonium is killing the starfish.

Since you asked

Having been in at the grassroots and for a brief time a leader in several short term movements, and a many hour volunteer in a party office, and around more than a few elected politicians, I have a fairly unique take on what playing a part in democracy entails.

You have to be willing to be beat down and rise again. You have to take the losses as an education. Learn from each mistake. Make sure of what it is you are asking people to do, and take all the help you can get.

It means hours at meetings. It means facing opponents with respect - when they deserve it - and smashing them when you can.

It means helping leaders lead, and doing grunt work, and kissing some ass. You must overlook the faults and mistakes of others on your team and work to get them to get with the program.

My view on what to do tomorrow, were I still active, would be to find new local party leadership material and work with them to build an organization that is inclusive and makes good use - real good use - of volunteers time.

No paper records of your votes, Orrex?

And you are just now wondering about all this fraud?

This is exactly how they get away with the fraud... people like you wondering, wondering, wondering, and not doing one thing to stop it. Take a bow, you wonderer you, they love you who wonder, wonder, wonder and fail to act to preserve your own vote.

You even expose yourself by wondering, and I quote: "If they're committing fraud" WTF is this "If"? Where have you been? There have been thousands of posts on DU detailing the fraud and you actually have the gall to say "If they're committing fraud"?

Yeah, what is your intent, Orrex?

On the hazards of nuclear power.

Adm.Hyman Rickover, the Father of the Nuclear Navy and of Shippensport nuclear reactor. In the twilight of his career, he testified before Congress in January 1982. Below is an excerpt from his testimony. Given who this man was and what he did, his statements were profound.

Here’s an excerpt from Rickover’s testimony:

“I’ll be philosophical. Until about two billion years ago, it was impossible to have any life on earth; that is, there was so much radiation on earth you couldn’t have any life — fish or anything. Gradually, about two billion years ago, the amount of radiation on this planet and probably in the entire system reduced and made it possible for some form of life to begin…

Now when we go back to using nuclear power, we are creating something which nature tried to destroy to make life possible… Every time you produce radiation, you produce something that has a certain half-life, in some cases for billions of years.

I think the human race is going to wreck itself, and it is important that we get control of this horrible force and try to eliminate it… I do not believe that nuclear power is worth it if it creates radiation.

Then you might ask me why do I have nuclear powered ships. That is a necessary evil. I would sink them all. Have I given you an answer to your question?”

On the hazards of nuclear power.
Testimony to Congress (28 January 1982);
published in Economics of Defense Policy:
Hearing before the Joint Economic Committee,
Congress of the United States, 97th Cong., 2nd sess., Pt. 1 (1982)

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http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hyman_G._Rickover

Just your opinion

MM boldy claims: "For everyone else on the planet, though, Fukushima is not the thing to worry about.""

The Sec. of the DoE, Moniz, stood in Japan and called Fukushima a Global Event.

Several west Coast Senators are alarmed at the impacts heading their way.

The science says that radioactive material from Fukushima has been found all over the N. Hemisphere.

The leading Oceanographer group in the US, Woods Hole, thinks they will find radioactive material from Fukushima on the west coast, factually labeling the event "unprecedented and ongoing" in the Pacific ocean.

So, MM, your opinion carries no weight whatsoever.
You don't even back it up with a single link, or any science.

In fact, you are not interested in an open and honest debate, but merely taunting, just like climate deniers do.

Thanks for thinking of me. Good to know I am having an impact.

To be clear.. I wished Fukushima had never blown sky high. But it did. As an environmentalist it is my duty to try and understand the impact this unprecedented and ongoing event may have on the planet.

That's all you got?

Making up stories about some lame group that is a backwater of DU with hosts who don't post?

And now you are lost even on your own thread. This one is about Browner and 'keeping nukes alive'. Your other thread was about unit 4.

This is really getting quite ridiculous, even for you.

Your link, jeff, is about mussels

Not sea stars.

The item in question is about is the Dept. of Energy's results of sampling of mussels in the Aleutians, where increased amounts of plutonium were found above the 2004 tests. It also found cesium 134 in increased amounts and that was described as being from Fukushima. But hey, you know that Fukushima is spread around the N. Hemisphere.

From my journal is this about that testing:

http://www.lm.doe.gov/Amchitka/Sites.aspx

Title: Department of Energy: Biological Monitoring at Amchitka Appears to Show Impacts from Fukushima Dai-ichi Incident.

The U.S. Department of Energy Office Legacy Management (LM) has a long-term stewardship mission to protect human health and the environment from the legacy of underground nuclear testing conducted at Amchitka Island, Alaska, from 1965 to 1971. Atmospheric monitoring in the United States showed elevated cesium activities shortly after the nuclear incident. LM scientists anticipated that atmospheric transport of cesium would potentially increase the cesium activities in the 2011 biological samples collected near Amchitka. Because cesium-134 has a relatively short half-life of 2 years and indicates leakage from a nuclear reactor, it is a clear indicator of a recent nuclear accident.

Because the Amchitka 2011 sampling event occurred soon after the Fukushima nuclear accident, the biota impacted by atmospheric precipitation showed the greatest impact (e.g., species that live in freshwater or shallow ocean waters) when compared to marine biota living in deeper water. This is because ocean currents are a slower transport process than wind currents. LM scientists anticipate that the marine biota will show the impacts of Fukushima during the next sampling event, currently scheduled to occur in 2016.

(One snip from report about the amounts found pg 226)

* Plutonium-239 — 4.194 pCi/kg Horse Mussel tissue

Here's the thing

What I want is a healthy world full of the rich life that I enjoyed as a kid, wandering the fields and swimming the waters.

In my lifetime that world has changed. Vastly. I look for answers of why the change has occurred and see a few reasons. Chief among those it the release of the nuclear genie. The more I study, the more it becomes clear that the nuclear genie has changed this world via its radioactive pollution.

I want a world that is safe for kids to grow up and live rich full lives. That can not happen with a loose nuclear genie roaming the planet radiating the whole environment. The science says life as we know it can't survive what we have unleashed.

It is my consideration that those who oppose this view do not care as I do for this planet and/or are just ignorant and the facts scare them half to death, and so they are frozen and reduced to dumbass comments and denial. There is evidence of that in this thread.

Have a good night.

That's 4 times now, za

Your claim is that I declared ""Fukushima radiation still causing dolphin deaths in the Atlantic"

I pointed out that dolphins were sea life that have been reported as dying in the Atlantic. That was in response to the claim from Deep Sea News that no other sea life besides sea stars, seems to be affected.

Dolphins in the Atlantic, along with sea stars in the Atlantic, are sea life, and they are dying, and no one knows why. I do not claim to know why, but am suspicious.

So your accusation is false.

The evidence is that atmospheric deposition from the explosions at Fukushima traveled around the world. And much rained out on the east coast of the US. Florida was especially hit by that deposition. You can read about it on ENEnews.com.

We know that along the east coast of the US flows the Gulf Stream which carries water from Florida up the east coast, where sea stars and dolphins have been found with a mysterious illness.

The scientific method demands that all factors be looked at when mysterious things happen.

Cops of FPD can't believe this is happening

There the cops stand with their shotguns and rifles and armored trucks, and the people keep protesting!

The cops have beat up and killed so many before now and they never had such an uproar from the public.

They are scratching their heads trying to figure out why people all of a sudden got so mad, and why they keep protesting. "We have guns, and we will shoot you!" is the cops message and the people seem to not be scared.

This hasn't happened in such a long time the cops just don't know what to think, except bring in more troops.

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