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I have no argument with you about the actual cost, cal.

I've willfully passed up ten opportunities to view the posted clip of the 'movie', (which makes me a noted non-expert in terms of cost.) And I think the clip is all that exists. But there is a lie that a movie exists. There is another lie that the movie cost $5 million dollars to make, or that amount was raised for it.

I don't think Yard's trying to feed us a red herring by pointing out the red herring exists. Your o.p. on McCain's Benghazi-Watergate hearings had an important piece of the picture, repugs using the attacks for partisan politics. Yard's o.p. has an important piece, too -- my take is repugs Generating the attacks for partisan politics. Yard is questioning to get info about the people behind the generation of the 'movie' that was the (red-herring) pretext for the attacks. Demonstrations occurred on 9-11-12, and were used as a cover or smokescreen for attacks on 9-11-12. The demonstrations were supposed to be prompted by attention being drawn to this obscure pin-head's magnum opus, even if that supposition is yet another red herring.

Even if the youtube clip cost a buck ninety eight in reality, it could be helpful to find out about the whole crew of cockroaches that spread it, and the actual mechanism they used to do so. Just like the u-stash-i pastor Jones, a little mutant creep with about 2 dozen followers who has to be begged by Pentagon reps not to use his ginormous 'influence' to put our foreign policy national security personnel at risk with his out-sized bull horn, the perps who produced this pic wield a disproportionately out-sized bull horn on the international scene. GOP skul dug er ee.

Thanks for the sum up and links.

There was a lot of progressive site 'chatter' about the origins of the 'movie'. CA Film Commission has no permit record, there's no IMBd page for the film, con-man felon behind it, maybe the whole movie was screened once, but there's no record. Buzzflash, TPM, Max B., Al Jazeera, Lucas Kavner at Huff Post, all putting info out about the slap-dash nature of the film that 'caused' the attacks. AP says that they traced it to Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who covered up the 'Basseley' part of his CA driver's license with his thumb, when he showed it to AP to prove his identity. (Sam 'Bacile'.) The fact that it's easy to get lost in the sea of red herrings, on the 'cause' part of the attacks, shows that it's a typical half-baked repug foreign policy op.

Mutant from l'il bush's CPA in Iraq reminded me of

Dem Now! 4/23/07:

"Family of Cho Seung Hui "We Feel Hopeless, Helpless and Lost"
Meanwhile the family of the gunman Cho Seung Hui has issued its first public statement. Cho's sister Sun Kyung said " We feel hopeless, helpless and lost. This is someone that I grew up with and loved. Now I feel like I didn't know this person… He has made the world weep. We are living a nightmare." Cho's sister Sun Kyung works as a contractor for the State Department's Iraq Reconstruction Management Office. "

Their family emigrated to the U.S. from South Korea, and she had top security clearances.

You may be right, but at the very least

the terror attacks were designed for an electoral coup, and they're being used to keep the president on the defensive via corporate media-covered bad publicity and partisan witch-hunt repug 'investigative oversight' efforts.

Remember the old days of terror attacks, when the terrorist org launched the attack because they couldn't take on the power they were against in a stand up fight. So they attacked where they could, then used the media coverage to get attention and support for their cause. A group would step forward and issue a "'credible' claim of responsibility". These days an attack occurs and the perps are far too 'humble' and diffident. Don't want to brag, now. But what's the point of getting media attention via a spectacular attack, then denying responsibility?

The people who attacked us in Egypt and Libya were paramilitary pros, well-trained and well-armed, not fundy fanatic amateurs. If we follow the trail from the characters who made -- and disseminated in Arab language -- the movie trailer (there's no movie) to the source that spread it on the ground in Libya and Egypt and called for demonstrations, we'll get closer to seeing who used those demonstrations as smoke screens for synchronized attacks. Rove repug foreign policy traitors hired some mercs through some Arab language version of Soldier of Fortune. A middle east version of Ronin, by right-wing rove repugs. Just a bald assertion on my part.

I can't discount your 'coup attempt', the repugs are always talking about assassination and secession, and constantly threaten civil war. But you don't have to convince me about a coup attempt, when we could get to the bottom of who attacked our 2 embassies and come up with repug traitors. And the squeeze out of military and intel people on this Petraeus scandal matches the elimination of Dulles, Bissell, Lemnitzer, Cabell and the gang after the Bay of Pigs. They were demoted or forced out for mis-serving the Prez with bad intel and trying to mislead us into a war, though the assassination after that did match the description of a coup.

What I'm trying to say is it's blatantly obvious that the repugs were running on 'Dems weak on foreign policy and national security'. A lot of info points to them being behind a false flag operation that 'proved' their false allegation. They're now definitely using the attack, false flag or not, for legislative branch witchhunts to attempt to cripple the administration. I don't disagree with you that they wanted to roll tanks down US streets, I just think it would be easier to discover that some rogue repug operators orchestrated the attacks than it would be to expose a coup attempt. If an attempt did occur, I'd love to see it exposed and proven, though.

Our government probably won't prove my bald assertion or your thesis, but we have a better shot at getting some repug 'rogue operators' hung out to dry by discovering their part in the attacks. If our Administration doesn't act overtly on either of our ideas, the action for Dems is to squash those bastards in their bull-shit 'investigative oversight' efforts, by lobbying Dems to attack their hyper partisan balderdash with censure in the Senate and House. And to demand that the repug controlled corporate media stop using our public air-waves to support those treasonous nazis in their efforts.

Thanks, m t. + 10 million. I wanted to do a 'sum up' like this, but

the repugs are using their patented 'be wrong about everything, in every way possible' approach. Makes my head hurt too much to act, I was busy holding it on so it wouldn't blow off.

Repugs running on '9-11 national security foreign policy failures'? While the NY Times' Kurt Eichenwald's piece on l'il bush ignoring umpteen warnings about the real 9-11 was gaining traction in the media? Attacking the prez who killed bin-Laden for being weak in national security and foreign policy? Terror attacks timed for the anniversary of 9-11, but no group wants to forward a credible claim of responsibility? The party that screamed 'Don't you dare politicize 9-11 attacks' the last time around attacks the US government while it is under attack by enemies? Ryan faults Embassy security and simultaneously proudly admits cutting the security budget because he's a deficit hawk? Ghadaffi was a strong man who ruled with an iron fist, but gets speedily deposed by someone, who nevertheless isn't strong enough to prevent the attack by 'fundy fanatic' amateurs? Oversight from repugs like Issa and McCain, who did and do nothing to investigate 9-11? McCain leveling charges against Susan Rice instead of Condi Rice? The guy that gave us dim wit Palin calling our Ambassador stupid? Repugs leveling charges of 'lying or stupid' against Dems, while proudly touting Reagan and giving rubber stamp approval to l'il bush? I could go on, but boy, my head hurts.

To put it politely, this smells seriously, reeks of rove repug foreign policy treason.

Iran Contra vignette:

Lews Tambs, right-wing ambassador to Colombia under Reagan, pissed the Medellin Cartel off by actually opposing drug production and smuggling. He was transferred to Costa Rica, and the Cartel had a reward out for his assassination.

CBS News reporter Leslie Cockburn (from '60 Minutes' and 'West 57th St." reported in her '87 book 'Out of Control' that our right-wing off-the-shelf rogue intel operation (that was exposed in the Iran-Contra scandal) had a false-flag operation planned to assassinate Tambs and pin it on the Sandinista government next door to Costa Rica. Thereby collecting the Cartel's reward, keeping the drug and gun smuggling operations safe, and creating an international incident pretext to go to war in Nicaragua.

DeLay did TX redistricting in '05

Thanks for the o.p., nc. +1. Great illustration of where we're at, currently. Repug thieves.

PA voted 2.74 million for Dem Congress vs. 2.67 mil for Repug Congress. We got 5 seats, they got 13.

I caught his CBS appearance

about 2 hours ago. He really deserves no respect, and should be madatorily retired immediately. He's a disgusting ideologue, a dangerous sore loser, mentally unstable, a hypocrite, a hyper partisan hack. His only aim is to hurt the elected President who stomped him and his party twice in the polls, and throw as much obstruction and flack at that President as he can, using his Senate powers. I'd like to see a Democratic Senatorial vote to censure him for his performance on this issue. We just returned them with a majority, let's see some counter attacks. All pull together. I don't want to hear how we need bi-partisanship to get things done, the repugs are already loudly telegraphing how much bipatisanship they're willing to exhibit.

McCain actually lied on the show, repeating the Romney Rove repug talking point lie that the President didn't call the Benghazi attack an act of terror, that the President lied in the debate when he said he had. The reality based community knows that the day after the attack, in the Rose Garden speech, Prez O. called it an act of terror. Romney lied and said Prez O. didn't say it was a terror attack. He was called on his lie during the debate. Now grandpa lumpy says that the President lied during the debate about having said it was an act of terror. Repugs relitigate reality, regularly. Romney lies, calling Obama a liar, is told he's lying and is forced to shut up and stop lying, then McCain lies and says Obama lied in the debate.

Rose and his sidekick just let the lying accusation that the president 'lied' go unchallenged. They moved right on past it. Keep on sucking up to the repug Mellon family, Charlie.

What's really going on with all this Broadwell Petraeus Kelly folderol is a repug attempt to make Benghazi into a Watergate style scandal to cripple the President, a stalling tactic from the repugs' masters, since they lost the election. Obama gets to play Nixon -- 'What did he know, and when did he know it?' He's 'responsible', he 'was in charge', he's 'lying' to the American people. Not only will they oppose the mandate-elected President's appointments, they'll throw some more investigative witch hunts into the mix. Stall for your masters, repugs, push the boulder down-hill.

The repugs are involved in every part of the sordid Petraeus and Benghazi affairs. It's repug created and owned from top to bottom, every player is a repug, except the President, Sec of State, and Susan Rice, who of course, are the only people the repugs want to make 'carry the can' for it. Kelly and Broadwell are strangely and strongly reminsicent of the couple who snuck into the Prez's first Inaugural dinner, aspiring reality TV stars who used some connections to the Ambassador to India to subvert security. The repugs tried to force the First Couple's Social Secretary to resign over that one.

How about some 'oversight' investigations by Repug 'patriots' Issa and McCain into Kurt Eichenwald's revelations that the swinish l'il bush ignored 9 detailed pre-warnings about the real 9-11, for 5 months up until the attack occurred?

The repug assholes let thousands die on 9-11, we didn't force them to be held to account for it. The repugs created 9-11-12, and now loudly and hysterically demand accountability for it. '4 Americans died!' quoth McCain. The corporate media keeps going on and on about Benghazi for mile after mile, completely ignoring Eichenwald's REAL 9-11 story. And this broadening 'military intelligence elected official sex scandal' is just giving them the excuse to keep nattering on about Benghazi. Hoping the 'echo chamber' reverbrations will increase in volume enough for the American public to get the feel that 'something criminally bad' occurred, and 'the Dem Administration has to pay for it'.

McCain is a doddering old nazi, a ball-less bombadier, a petulant petty little sore loser, with smoldering insect-like eyes and a lumpy putty face, with a penchant for cheating on wives with beauty queens and an affection for rape jokes. He showed what a patriot and guardian of America he was when he leapt at putting that smirking dim-wit Palin into his VP slot, in a desperate attempt to grab the reigns of power. Which showed that if he died, he didn't care what happened to America, like some old Pharaoh of old, whose household servants would have to be put to death when he died. He was the oldest nominee ever, with health problems already, refused to release his medical records, but if he went, he was taking the country with him.

But by all means, Charlie, you treat him like the 'serious minded elder statesman' he is. You too, WaPo.

Condolences to

corporate welfare-frauds, tax-dodgers, coke-heads and oxycontin abusers, Haggard Ensign Foley Craig Vitter D'Souza Gingrich and other pan-sexual right wing nutjobs, fundy 'christians', nazis, meatloaf fans, klansmen, Birchers, bloated tick corporate capitalists, people who assassinate womens' health clinic workers, enemies of America; Satan, You LOST!

I respectfully disagree, gb,

with a lot of your assessments on the thread. But regarding little George P., it's just my opinion, so I can't really get mad. And you're polite while sticking to your guns.

One thing that struck me was the comparison of a l'il bush to a Brit royal prince in the line of succession. That is dead on. That family is related to the Brit Hanovrian royals, and think they are American royalty, they were 'put here to rule Americans'.

There are a ton of good posts in archives here from a post-er named Octafish, mostly along the BFEE (bush Family Evil Empire) lines. His/Her stuff is well-documented. That whole family constantly pulls treasonous and scurrilous moves against the nation, to benefit themselves, because they think they're American Royalty, effectively they think they're America.

But they're really just a canker sore -- composed of Oil/Energy, Banking, Intel, and Fascism -- on our nation's body politic.

There is no reason why l'il George P. wouldn't be true to form and follow in the footsteps of his great-granddad Prescott, who laundered money for the Nazis during WWII at his Union Bank (that name will sound familiar if you look at Union Bank of Switzerland and UBS Warburg). Prescott was very closely connected to the OSS's Allen Dulles while Dulles ran our war time European intel efforts from Switzerland, while Switzerland legally did business and banking for the Nazis. Dulles moonlighted at the same time as a law partner in Sullivan & Cromwell, whose firm did the legal work for the J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation. They were caught hiding the nazi corporation I.G. Farben's ownership of an American chemical company (General Aniline) during WWII. Farben was the big corporate backer, of Hitler's nazis, who managed to turn a profit on extermination camps through its sale of the zyklon-b gas that was used to kill millions in the death camps. Both Union Bank and General Aniline were siezed by our war time government.

Before WWII, the rightist repugs were openly in favor of Hitler and cut deals with him. They held enough power in our country to openly advocate for him, and stall us from entering the war against him. Their inclusion in our country's executive / legislative / enforcement / intel / power structure was the reason why an author like Dalton Trumbo could be black-listed for being 'prematurely antifascist', when Trumbo blew the whistle to the feds that the American Bund was trying to get a new edition of 'Johnny Got His Gun' published, to use anti war sentiment to help keep America from fighting Hitler.

During WWII, rightist repugs were part of our power structure, and kept getting caught backing Hitler and making money with him.

After WWII, OSS repugs like Prescott and Dulles were instrumental in setting up the CIA. So now up pops a new generation of bush, replete with intel connections and 'we can't tell you how much he helps America, for security reasons' statements. We get 'limited hang-out' style publicity statements about how wonderful he is, we just can't see the record, 'for security purposes'.

And the icing on the cake is another bush is using poor Pat Tillman to advance their disgusting political agenda. The bush family is frankly treasonous and every move they make could gag a maggot.
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