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Indeed, You did not...

.... so I'm deleting my comment.

However, i will leave you with some interesting assessments from today's wapo concerning Hillary's ability to govern vs sander's .


Sanders’s all-purpose argument is to call for a “political revolution” that will vanquish the dark interests standing between the nation and his vision. His campaign is not about governing in the real world of trade-offs and constraints. Which is to say, it is not about governing at all. It is increasingly worrying that large numbers of Democrats appear to believe otherwise.

Bernie Sanders’s angry, unrealistic call for ‘revolution’ http://wapo.st/1SrBsg5



On issue after issue, Clinton proposes incremental solutions that take into account our political system as it is: sharply divided along ideological lines and warped by gerrymandering and virtually unfettered campaign contributions. Sanders proposes dramatic solutions that will only be possible when power is wrested from “big money” interests that refuse to do “what the American people want them to.”

Will Democrats choose evolution — or revolution? http://wapo.st/1P0LceT


Mostly, though, /Clinton is/ the classic one-eyed person in the land of the blind: Who else is there? Pray, not Bernie Sanders. If he played Capt. Renault in “Casablanca,” he would have said, “Break up the big banks” instead of “Round up the usual suspects.” To him, it’s the same thing.

Hillary Clinton, enough with your ‘plans’ already http://wapo.st/1SsFKE4

I have a squert gun!

What exactly are the Oregon Arsonists guilty of?

According to the typical news article they claim to have lit the fires to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

Acording to the Justice Department:

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

No, FDR was not....

.... a socialist of any sort. He ran against FOUR socialists in 1932. He never called himself a socialist and anyone who did was just trying to smear him.

FDR was a liberal welfare statist, and a capitalistic reformer. If you believe in reform within a market based capitalistic system , it does you no good to characterize yourself (or others) as socialist.

And Denmark is not socialist:


"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," /Denmark's prime minister/ said, "therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.... The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens."

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders


Eugene Debbs was a socialist; FDR was no Eugene Debbs.

In 1999, 95% of Amercans said....

... they would vote for an African American....



In June of this year, only 47% said the would vote for a socialist. Even an Athiest does better at 58%!

About that Overtime Politics Poll that shows...

HRC and SBS in a dead heat in AR. It was posted in the SBS group so I can't respond ( I got the ) but I thought this might be interesting to HRC supporters so I'm posting it here. Don't ban me! I'm on your side!

Here is the report -
http://overtimepolitics.com/clinton-edging-sanders-47-42-in-arkansas/

Here is the methodology disclosure -
http://overtimepolitics.com/pollingdata/OvertimePolitics.comDec19-23DemocraticPrimaryPoll-Arkansas.pdf

If you have looked through these disclosures before you will be suprised at how skimpy it is. Another curious asspect of this organization is that they are conducting 2 to 3 polls per week. All of this casts a bit of doubt on the quality of their efforts.

In correspondence with them this response was received:

Hi ,

I have a staff of 3 independent contractors who do everything on the phones. Without the crosstab information, the process goes much faster, it's a simple matter of "Are you planning on voting in either the Dem or Rep primary in (whatever state)", if they say yes, they get asked the nominee question depending on whether they said D or R.

From what I gather from my contractors, they can get around 20-25 responses an hour. Once they hit the D or R limit, depending on how each state voted in the last 2 elections, it goes even faster. When I get the last spreadsheet, it's just a matter of copy/pasting the information into 1 spreadsheet and adding everything up.

Without the extra demographic information, the report can be written up extremely quickly and the results can be published.

I realize this isn't perfect, but it's at least getting some information out there.

Starting in January, I'm going to have a question about personal income on the script as well. To me, if I'm going to add something that is going to increase the time spent both calling people and getting the reports ready, it should be a demo that not everyone provides.

I hope I've answered your questions.

- Fred

This is not MY opinion...

.... this is the opinion of the vast majority of Amercan voters. Even atheiests poll higher than socialists. There are fewer people who would vote for a socialist than for an atheist...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/17/could-a-socialist-actually-be-elected-president/

Sweden isn't a socialist country and neither is bernie's much beloved Denmark

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," /Denmark's prime minister/ said, "therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders


Of course no one will be concerned about Sweden and Denmark during the election. They will be concerned about Venezuela. Unlike Denmark's leadership, Venezuela's leaders actually call themselves democratic socialists. Bernie will have to answer for it

Thanks for the article...

... I read it and the other articles referenced in other posts about the incidents where undercover police were exposed during protests.

From the article: "...the agency and other police departments have had plainclothes officers dressed in protester attire walking in these marches since the first demonstration Nov. 24, and he said they will continue to employ this tactic..."

This is essentially the response given by the Canadian authorities also, to incidents that were linked to in other posts in this thread.

In other words, these are not "agent provocateurs", they are undercover surveillance, intelligence gathering in support of crowd control. This is far more "active" than the "report filers" that I was describing, but it essentially falls into the same category and represents a legitimate police function.

As far as there actually being violent hoodlums and vandals amongst these protestors,in support of whatever "anarchists" or other ideology they identify with, it isn't very hard to find confirmation. Just to prove this point, I did a very cursory web search and very easily found one such advocate of violence, a fellow named Gord Hill who goes by the name of Zig Zag on line and has been publishing advice and encouragement for "black bloc" protest tactics for some number of years on several web sites. His latest post (on Warrior Publications) is advice to help protect the identity of the minority of protestors in Ferguson who employed the violent and destructive tactics he advocates. His "about" page gives his eMail address, and I'm sure that, as long as it does not involve any actually incriminating self-confessions, he would be happy to explain his motivations for advocating violence, vandalism and disruption as protest tactics.

In other words, the black bloc is real and the vandalism is real. And, as you pointed out, the undercover police presence is real - and justified.

The fires in Furgison...

...weren't caused by spontaneous combustion. The were caused by incendary devices like this one. After one prominent "protestor" urged the crowd to and “Burn this bitch down”.

I'm glad the cops are taking this threat serriously, and anyone caught with molotov cocktail at a protest should be arrested and jailed immediatly.

Liberal Arts? What the fuck are they good for?

HEADLINE: Pro Beijing forces blame Liberal Studies course in secondary school for filling young minds with dangerous Western ideas.

HEADLINE: Pro Beijing forces blame Liberal Studies course in secondary school for filling young minds with dangerous Western ideas.


Subversion, that's what. Never forget - liberal means liberty!
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