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That's been out there since the ACA was announced, and they threatened to kill Democrats.

Remember Palin's target list?

All for those voting for Death Panels.

Like Giffords.

It worked in 2010, will it work in 2012?

Bernie Sanders: A Good Day

A Good Day

The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the Affordable Care Act. Sen. Bernie Sanders welcomed the ruling. "Today is a good day for millions of Americans who have pre-existing conditions who can no longer be rejected by insurance companies. It is a good day for families with children under 26 who can keep their children on their health insurance policies. It is a good day for women who can no longer be charged far higher premiums than men.

"It is a good day for 30 million uninsured Americans who will have access to healthcare. It is a good day for seniors who will continue to see their prescription drug costs go down as the so-called doughnut hole goes away. It is a good day for small businesses who simply cannot continue to afford the escalating costs of providing insurance for their employees. It is a good day for 20 million Americans who will soon be able to find access to community health centers.

"It is an especially good day for the state of Vermont, which stands to receive hundreds of millions of dollars in additional federal funds to help our state achieve universal health care.

"In my view, while the Affordable Care Act is an important step in the right direction and I am glad that the Supreme Court upheld it, we ultimately need to do better. If we are serious about providing high-quality, affordable healthcare as a right, not a privilege, the real solution to America's health care crisis is a Medicare-for-all, single-payer system. Until then, we will remain the only major nation that does not provide health care for every man, woman and child as a right of citizenship.

"I am proud that Vermont is making steady progress toward implementing a single-payer system. I hope our state will be a model to show the rest of the nation how to provide better care at less cost to more people."


Thanks Skinner and Pro Sense for the good news instead of naysaying:



This does not mean there will not still be battles in states, so keep at it Democrats!

Skinner did: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate As A Tax


Your analogy only works for those who are not members of both groups. The Reagan Democrats vote GOP.

So that is where our traditional divisions are not longer relevant. Despite the idea that NRA members anti-union, some union members reject other beliefs that we feel unions always support.

I know union members who have been voting GOP for years, including federal workers doing military jobs and postal workers. They don't connect the demise of their jobs with the GOP, but think the Democratic Party is the party of blacks, welfare recipients and immigrants. So they will not vote for them.

I prefer unions as a whole deciding how politicians vote, as most of their goals are progressive.

The Story of "Fired up! Ready to go!"

All riiight!

I'm seeing some good positive comments on the youtube videos about Obama. Just thought I'd check in with the group. GOTV!

Oh, yeah, you nailed it.

Don't worry! Ron Paul has a plan. It's well known:

This is not a joke.

The $5K should be applied to a fund to visit Mars and find Obama's footsteps there!

We need an investigation on Obama's time on Mars. The Kenyan story was just a ruse to hide the real conspiracy!

Obama tried some projects such as FDR implemented, CCC, WPA, etc.

The tremendous hysteria on the right was that any such programs were the Obama version of the Hitler Youth. Really, that's what they called these things. I went to schools built by the WPA. My dad was employed by the CCC and there are parks you can go to (if they haven't been sold off) from the work they did. The obstructionists won't allow it, period. They hold the majority in the Congress and are powerful in the Senate.

The message put out about those programs was that they were going to be squads of minorities or illegals coming to yank the patriots out of their beds after seizing their guns, sending them to the FEMA camps to be killed. They started talking about the color of dots on rural mail boxes, they put out movies how all these programs were for a fourth reich.

This was consistent on programs by Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Alex Jones. When Obama pushed to close Gitmo and bring the prisoners here to be tried under our laws, they said he was importing a Muslim army to destroy the USA from within. Which was in keeping with their meme that any public works or employment program would be swearing allegiance to Obama over the US Constitution.

So after manufacturing that in their media, the GOP prevented funding to move them here. Just as slick as could be, they said Obama's failure to close Gitmo was proof he was the dictator they said that he was from the beginning. Both sides have been consistently played for both sides.

Obama made many alternative energy proposals from the beginning that would have provided jobs and got us away from oil. That began attacks he was planning to starve the USA of all energy sources to bring us to our knees and break the economy to force us to accept giving up our sovereignty. Everything this man has done has been attacked six ways from Sunday.

EDIT: As far as people HURTING, that's the plan of the GOP. The more desperate people are, the more likely to fall into the hands of cults, demagoges and other people offering them somone to blame and a quick fix. Their solution is to bring the government down and disband the USA into camps of states controlled by local leaders and then root out their enemies. Which is okay for those connected, and very bad for those who aren't. It's their model.

Taverner, this reminds me of 2 very disturbing things, one from the news, one from my college years.

When the OP article said this:

Phillip Maxwell, a prep school buddy, told the New Republic in 2008 that Romney had pulled over students from a girls school next door to Cranbrook while wearing a police uniform as a prank...

It reminded me of this:

Rand Paul ABDUCTED Female Student While In College, Tried To Force Her To 'Take Bong Hits,' GQ Article Alleges

Note this phrase, which was bracketed and will not copy from the article, so I have put parentheses on it: (brother in his liberal secret society)... Check the link to see where it is placed. Really? A liberal secret society? Sure... like Loughner in AZ...

The strangest episode of Paul's time at Baylor occurred one afternoon in 1983 ... when he and a (brother in his liberal secret society) paid a visit to a female student who was one of Paul's teammates on the Baylor swim team.

"He and Randy came to my house, they knocked on my door, and then they blindfolded me, tied me up, and put me in their car. They took me to their apartment and tried to force me to take bong hits. They'd been smoking pot." After the woman refused to smoke with them, Paul and his friend put her back in their car and drove to the countryside outside of Waco, where they stopped near a creek. "They told me their god was 'Aqua Buddha' and that I needed to bow down and worship him," the woman recalls. "They blindfolded me and made me bow down to 'Aqua Buddha' in the creek. I had to say, 'I worship you Aqua Buddha, I worship you.' At Baylor, there were people actively going around trying to save you and we had to go to chapel, so worshiping idols was a big no-no."


When that story first came out Rand said it was a prank, then he and his army of devoted followers denied it happened. Fortunately, I did not associate with such people in college.

But the college prank routines reminded me a discussion in the second semester of my college Black History class. I don't remember how the conversation got around to it, but 2 black women said that white frat boys had prowled their neighborhood, kidnapped young black girls, raped them and tossed them out of their cars later. They were very angry as they told us and most of the class was white and very shocked.

I went home and talked to my family about this to see if they had ever heard of these things. An aunt took a deep breath and said it was true. Our family men had not been able to afford college, but she had been a teacher and said frat boys in the old days bragged about doing it for their initiation. Some guys in high school bragged about things that were illegal in my classes, just not that.

I doubt Romney did, however, but a lot of things used to be done by people with a lot of money going to college. We've heard about hazing, a lot of things that are not healthy being done.

What I could not, and cannot understand is that why a person with the chance to go to college, used those opportunities to hurt others. And then just say, 'boys will be boys,' or it was just a prank. Rush called the sexual abuse of Iraqis at Abu Graib as 'nothing worse than a college fraternity prank.' What kind of people are these, with so much power, that they excuse all criminal acts, no matter how vile, sexually abusive and disgusting?

If someone else had did these things, the consequences would have been severe. I can't prove if what the angry young black ladies in my class said; I don't have proof of my aunt's story, although she was involved in politics all her life and a very serious woman. Why she or they would make this up, I can't imagine.

When the murders in the south during the sixties happened, I asked my family what was going on. They told me about the KKK, the night riders who went to terrorize blacks the day before elections, to make sure they had no sleep, and the poll taxes and tests they gave blacks, etc.

They left the deep south over a century ago, not because they were black, but they didn't want to live there anymore. They wanted something new for us.

And here we are, talking of a possible leader of this country, who could not control himself anymore than to abuse a person whose hair he didn't like, who abused a teacher with poor eyesight, and now abused his father's position of trust as governor to pretend he was an LEO.

And not only that, we learn he used to pull people off the road with false authority. Or at least we think we do, we will never know, most likely.

We do know his sick attitude about selling out communities for his own personal wealth and hiding his ill-gotten gains abroad. My folks would have had a heart attack thinking about such a man being in charge of the lives of millions of people through executive orders and what he might do.

Also he's a chicken hawk, promotes wars he knows won't hurt him or his kids. I don't know what to think here. And as I said, I can't prove what these people told me in my college years, either, so I won't argue about it, it's all speculation, like this OP. I just felt that it might be part of this puzzle that the OP asks.

I still think we need to regain the Bain story and have that debate. It looks like the media owners have decided that story had to be attacked in treble, and now everyone has forgotten. They won't allow anyone to talk about a man who bankrupted companies and impoverished people, any more than they will permit coverage of the criminal wrongdoings in Wisconsin that should be in the news regarding the indictments there.

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