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Shepards, not wolves, lead sheep to the slaughter

As confirmed by the 2nd amendment, Peace Through Strength applies to individuals just as it applies to our Nation.

I learned those facts long before serving in the Unites State Marine Corps and, as a Marine, standing as one of America's "open carry" weapons.

I do not deride those who choose not to carry or even own firearms. At the same time, I will actively oppose those who would restrict my freedom of armed defense.

Semper Fi,

Which "herd" thinks that way you ask.

IMO, the "herd" you apparently belong to thinks that way.

Simple example. You wrote:
"...if such danger presents itself, then I would definitely consider carrying and I wouldn't be hiding it either"

The fact is, if such danger presents itself, it will be too late for you to consider anything but trying to survive the attack by whatever means possible - just like sheep do when wolves attack.

I know that a group of sheep is called a "flock" rather than a "herd" but I am confident you get my drift.

Semper Fi,

IMO This song defines our debate

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I have saved the lyrics which is a well considered, lengthy, and accurate list of potential causes for violent, anti-social behavior.

No inanimate tool of any type that can be used to enhance violent, anti-social behavior is on that list. A list of those types of tools could be at least as long as the list in the lyrics.

Yet the conclusion is to remove access to one (1) type of tool; not correct the anti-social behavior which is the basis of all such violence.

Antis blame the tool. Pros blame the anti-social behavior.

I felt this song deserved a thread of its own.

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• If It Were Up to Me• Words and Lyrics by:
• Cheryl Wheeler
•
• Maybe it's the movies, maybe it's the books
• Maybe it's the bullets, maybe it's the real crooks
• Maybe it's the drugs, maybe it's the parents
• Maybe it's the colors everybody's wearin
• Maybe it's the President, maybe it's the last one
• Maybe it's the one before that, what he done
• Maybe it's the high schools, maybe it's the teachers
• Maybe it's the tattooed children in the bleachers
• Maybe it's the Bible, maybe it's the lack
• Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the crack
• Maybe it's the hairdos, maybe it's the TV
• Maybe it's the cigarettes, maybe it's the family
• Maybe it's the fast food, maybe it's the news
• Maybe it's divorce, maybe it's abuse
• Maybe it's the lawyers, maybe it's the prisons
• Maybe it's the Senators, maybe it's the system
• Maybe it's the fathers, maybe it's the sons
• Maybe it's the sisters, maybe it's the moms
• Maybe it's the radio, maybe it's road rage
• Maybe El Nino, or UV rays
• Maybe it's the army, maybe it's the liquor
• Maybe it's the papers, maybe the militia
• Maybe it's the athletes, maybe it's the ads
• Maybe it's the sports fans, maybe it's a fad
• Maybe it's the magazines, maybe it's the internet
• Maybe it's the lottery, maybe it's the immigrants
• Maybe it's taxes, big business
• Maybe it's the KKK and the skinheads
• Maybe it's the communists, maybe it's the Catholics
• Maybe it's the hippies, maybe it's the addicts
• Maybe it's the art, maybe it's the sex
• Maybe it's the homeless, maybe it's the banks
• Maybe it's the clearcut, maybe it's the ozone
• Maybe it's the chemicals, maybe it's the car phones
• Maybe it's the fertilizer, maybe it's the nose rings
• Maybe it's the end, but I know one thing.
• If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns.

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Semper Fi,

+1 and I would add

Have your photo ID in your raised hand to give to the responding LEO(s) so that you do not have to reach in your pocket for anything when they arrive.

Semper Fi,

I am unclear on who you are talking about

You wrote:…
“You have every right to your opinion and every right to get involve in our legislative process!

If you feel strongly about your opinion fight for it!”

Excellent statement. I support it 100%.

Then you wrote:…
“I'm sure you notice by now that the only thing they can say to you is to insult you. So what? Screw them and their insults. Sticks and stones and all that.”

Followed by:
“Gunners are not some patriot group fighting for Constitutional rights! They are a bunch of people with a fetish prostituting the Constitution for their own selfish interest.”

And in your next post:…
“Fuck gunner statistics! It is a useless game the play.”

After reading your comments above, I am really unclear on exactly who you were talking about when you wrote:

“I'm sure you notice by now that the only thing they can say to you is to insult you”

but the answer is Yes, I have noticed and so have the vast majority of Americans.

Semper Fi,

P.S. "Profanity is the last refuge of the ignorant, the insensitive and the illiterate"
-- anon --

Let's Ban Murder and Violent Attacks However Committed.

Leave the firearms and air guns; knives and other sharp objects; bats, clubs, and other blunt objects; vehicles; cords and ropes; etc., etc., etc.

It does not matter to a victim if they are murdered with a gun or a rock. Either way they are just as dead. It is not the fault of the gun or the fault of the rock. It is the fault of the individual who determined to, without just cause, exert violence on another

I doubt I will ever support more gun control laws and infringement of my 2A rights but I will get in lock step with heavy handed laws in support of Violence Control.


Semper Fi,

Why are there virtually NO examples

of civilians legally defending themselves with firearms and accidentally shooting innocent bystanders in the process?

Countless times antis have stressed that armed civilians will go "cowboy" crazy and shoot hoards of innocent bystanders while trying to defend themselves with a firearm. I have searched for examples of such occurrences. I even posted two (2) threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117266664#post5

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117267298

asking for examples.

All efforts have generated one (1) example of one (1) innocent bystander accidentally being shot by one (1) individual legally defending himself from two (2) armed robbers.

Sounds to me like it is way past time to put that straw man to bed.

Semper Fi,

I still need help finding examples

I posted the thread
I need help finding examples where civilians, legally carrying a firearm in public, have accidentally shot one or more bystanders while legally defending themselves against a violent attack.

There are several examples by law enforcement, but I have been unsuccessful finding examples of civilians.

Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter.

I received one but only one response where, sadly. a young, innocent lady was shot and lost her life a few months ago in Houston, Texas

So I will expand the question

I need help finding anecdotal examples where civilians have accidentally shot one or more bystanders while legally defending themselves against a violent attack where ever the incident occurred.

There are several examples by law enforcement, but I have been unsuccessful finding examples of civilians.

Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter.

There are more than 1 million incidents in the USA each year where firearms are used by honest citizens to defend against violent attacks. What are the odds of an innocent bystander being killed in that process?

Semper Fi,

I need help finding examples

where civilians, legally carrying a firearm in public, have accidentally shot one or more bystanders while legally defending themselves against a violent attack.

There are several examples by law enforcement, but I have been unsuccessful finding examples of civilians.

Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter.

Semper Fi,

This post is a LIE !!!

The two pictures in your post are from totally different sources. You are attempting to associate a picture of a tattooed extremest nut case from who-know-where with a pro gun protest where he is not present.

I did not alert on this post because I want other DUers to see it. It is the ultimate example of your attempts to mislead.

IMO, you have more in common with this tattooed extremest nut case than with anyone else here in DU on either side of the issue

Anyone whose position is so weak that it can only be supported with lies and deception has no position at all.

Semper Fi
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