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Those who would not vote for Hillary in the GE, have you taken a good look at the Big-Picture?

With all her negatives that have been described here at DU, she would still be a lot better
than any Republican president. For instance, I doubt it that she would nominate a
Republican to the SCOTUS. Yes, there will be no change. She will maintain the present
status quo. Our democracy will remain a half-dead one. But where there is life, there is
hope. We can still hope that the next Progressive president will do the job.

If we elect a Republican president this coming November, I feel that the Corporatists are
ready to kill democracy in our nation altogether, and this time they will make their
Oligarchic Fascists the leaders of our nation. My feeling is that they would have made their
move during Bush Jr.'s presidency, but they decided against it probably because they felt
that they weren't strong enough. And a failure of this magnitude would carry heavy
consequences. Today they are much stronger than they were a decade ago.

An example: Police departments have been militarized in our entire nation from coast to
coast. Few people knew about this until 2011, when Occupy Wall Street began their
peaceful demonstrations. The police cracked down on them brutally and had them jailed,
albeit for a few days only -- not just in NYC, but throughout the country.

Only then did we realize that the militarization of our police departments was already a
fait accompli in 2011. To do something of this order takes a good deal of planning, and
time. This must have taken years to complete.

Whose idea was it? Who did the planning? We already have the strongest and most costly
military in the world, do we really also need a militarized police department at home? And
if so, what is it for? And why such secrecy? Shouldn't the American people also have had
some say in this? If it weren't for the Occupy Wall Street incidents, we might still have
been totally in the dark today.

Sanders still has a chance of winning. I have not given up hope. But if he should lose
the Primaries, I would vote for Clinton. Under these circumstances, odd as it may seem,
she would represent our best hope of preventing the greater of two evils from happening
to our entire nation!

To me, the above is a brief description of what I think is the Big-Picture of the state our
country at this very moment. We are living in highly interesting, but also extremely
dangerous times.

In the meantime, we'll continue to do everything to help Sanders win.


Hey, Salinsky! Your "It is the duty of every Sanders supporter to vote for Hillary Clinton" is

very much like forcing something down another's throat. It only makes us want to answer
back just as forcefully and arrogantly. You sound so much like the Republicans. They
seem to be strangers to the attributes of civility and diplomacy. You appear to be made
of the same cloth. Don't you know that a spoonful of honey would attract more bees than
a tubful of vinegar?

Try it. I bet you'd convince more people with civility and diplomacy than with your present style.

Isn't it odd that Clinton and Trump are the likely winners of the Democratic and

Republican Primaries respectively? The majority of the American people openly
distrust the both of them! Come November, and we might have to choose between
the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.

We need Election Reforms really badly. We can't go on like this. But this is
what the Republicans want. Republicans have been thriving on chaos -- even though
Trump is backfiring in their faces this time around.

Modern day Republicans don't know how to govern. When in power they inevitably
bring chaos, which the Democrats have to deal with when they get into power. But
too many people don't even see this. I put much of the blame on the 90%
Republican-owned news media's propaganda and lies.

As far as the news media is concerned, the Democrats have nothing to fight back
with. Nor do we seem to be interested in starting one of our own to counteract
the Republican lies with genuine news and the truth that the American people deserve
to know. It can be done. But Democrats are too passive, and I think this passivity
and apathy do play some role in the mess we're in, too.

Hillary won mostly in the Southern states+ those states with closed Primaries. There are

millions of Independents as well as others who were not allowed to vote in them.

If, as you say, the Republicans want Trump to win, they won't wait till

after the GE, because then Hillary's V-P would become president.

They'd indict before the GE. My question is, if Sanders has already
lost the Primaries to Clinton, would he then be reinstated as the
Democratic candidate? Are there laws on this point?

Or do you think the Republicans would indict Clinton still earlier, while
Sanders is still in the race in the Primaries?

Anyone of the above doesn't look like a sure thing for the Republicans,
since it looks like Sanders has a good chance of beating Trump.

If it's true that Cruz's wife has a copy of Hillary's Goldman Sachs speech transcript, this is

my guess of what is likely to happen: The Republicans would wait until after the Democratic
Primaries are over before they make public the transcript. It would be highly foolish of them
to publish it in the news right now, since it would be helping Sanders to win -- which is
something they desperately wish to avoid. They know their chances of losing to him are very
real.

All they need to do is to wait until some time after the Democratic Primaries, and Hillary
would have to either stop the race, or resign if she were already president. The
Republicans would be sparing themselves a great deal of trouble.

Bernie and Elizabeth are the leaders of this movement. They are for honesty and integrity in

Government, a Government that is for the entire American people, not just for the
few super-rich. Bernie and Elizabeth stand for reform -- removing the bribery and
corruption of the Corporate Power people -- and replacing them with people of
MORAL principles.

They are the exact opposites of the Tea-Party. The Koch brothers, I understand,
are doing a good deal of the financing of the Tea Party. They are known for their
bribery and corruption.

About the current investigation in Brooklyn: If it turns out that a crime has been committed, the

guilty parties must be punished according to the law. If nothing more than a slap on the wrist
happens, the way most of such cases have been treated so far, voter and election fraud will
continue as it always has in the past. As long as they know they can get away with it, there
will NEVER be any change.

The American public should insist on the above. Perhaps we should even make a PETITION
RIGHT NOW, before it's too late. But petition to whom? Who would be the most effective
one to make a petition to?

Many Hillary supporters are celebrating her victory yesterday in New York . It might be a little

premature. This latest massive purge of Democratic voters in NY is being taken more seriously
than similar events in other states in the past, because of its sheer size, I suppose -- 126,000
Democrats (almost all Sanders supporters) were prevented from voting in Brooklyn alone. The
Board of Elections itself, I understand, is now being sued.

I hope this is just the beginning. May it, in time, lead to some serious and much needed reforms
in laws governing our Elections -- Local, State and Federal.

Did they really expect us to continue taking this forever without complaining?

https://thehornnews.com/15140-2/

The Corporate-owned news media are sure super quiet about yesterday's "massive purge of Democratic

voters" in New York. They are doing their best to help Hillary not to lose votes. They want Hillary to win
because (1) she'll be easier for them to beat in November, and (2) she's on very good terms with the
Corporate people, even if she should beat their Republican candidate. Either way she'll be of more use to
the Republicans than Bernie would be.

Democrats, on the other hand, have no news media to depend on for help of any kind. We've got to
spread the news of the latest dirty trick by word of mouth, via the Internet, or whatever other means
of communication we can think of.

Let's do our best to spread the news of this latest dirty trick around to help Bernie win. I don't think
Hillary should be president at all. Do you?
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