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Tonight will be fine

Simply something beautiful to share.

Song, "Tonight Will Be Fine" by Leonard Cohen, sung by Teddy Thompson



Sometimes I find I get to thinking of the past.
We swore to each other then that our love would surely last.
You kept right on loving, I went on a fast,
Now I am too thin and your love is too vast.

But I know from your eyes
And I know from your smile
That tonight will be fine,
Will be fine, will be fine
For a while.

I choose the rooms that I live in with care,
The windows are small and the walls almost bare,
There's only one bed and there's only one prayer;
I listen all night for your step on the stair.

But I know from your eyes
And I know from your smile
That tonight will be fine,
Will be fine, will be fine
For a while.

Oh sometimes I see her undressing for me,
She's the soft naked lady love meant her to be
And she's moving her body so brave and so free.
If I've got to remember that's a fine memory.

And I know from her eyes
And I know from her smile
That tonight will be fine,
Will be fine, will be fine
For a while.
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:14 AM (0 replies)

I agree.

Firstly, it turns active discrimination which can be identified and fought, into the flip slide of itself, passive privilege, a vague all-encompassing blame game which changes nothing. In doing so, the issue becomes less clear, and people who have nothing to do with perpetrating it get blamed for it. So substituting that term creates more confusion, and results in more injustice. When seeking justice results in more injustice -- that isn't very credible.

Secondly, it's inaccurate. Privilege denotes benefits in EXCESS of what is the NORM. Treatment of whites should be considered the norm, and treatment of people of color should be improved to meet that standard. Use of the word "privilege" means that abusive, unacceptable treatment of people of color becomes our standard or norm. Is that what we're trying to say? So is the word useful, or not? Is it appropriate, or not?

I say it's a bullshit term, just another attempted corruption of language by fad fuzzy thinkers of the moment.

In fact, it reminds me of something that might've been thought up by someone who was intentionally trying to render the rights movement ineffective (Karl Rove would be proud of whoever it was). Look at this thread, or others, and the dissension it causes is easy to see.

(And that goes for using it about males as well.)
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:02 AM (0 replies)

Your thread has reminded me why I don't support certain feminists on DU.

(Many here remember the same several years of episodes with them that I do, and some newer members have missed some very enlightening chapters.)

Ever since DU3 got started they have been insisting on favoritism for themselves, and those followers who will forego disagreeing with them at all. They insist the rules here don't apply to them, and say they are persecuted on the rare occasions when the rules do in fact get applied to them At the same time, they reject any need to treat others as they demand to be treated. It is always done with a very overbearing and arrogant air of entitlement, and freely peppered with as many demeaning insults as they think they can get away with. I (still) completely oppose that attitude and those who promote it, and want nothing to do with it.

So while I agree that the SISI cover is OTT (not because of a feminist theory but simply because it depicts women in a degrading way -- that's the quality that needs to be resisted from my pov), the discussion about it has been worthwhile and there certainly couldn't be a discussion without first seeing the image. For the most part, I don't think what's ok to be shown should be a matter for rules and laws, but for subjective opinions and voting in the marketplace of ideas.

So at this point, I would switch my "vote" and yes, allow it here. I have a bigger problem with the SISI cover itself being displayed openly in publc though, which as I see it is just adding to the stifling level of degrading garbage already in pop culture. On that public aspect of it, I'm not going to bend my opinion much. I think it is really damaging to our society as a whole, especially women and girls, and I think it's outrageous that any sector or wave of feminism supports it.


(Btw, I'm a woman too, 64 years now. So I do understand women. Very well.)
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:12 AM (3 replies)

Objectify!

Polythene Pam / Bathroom Window

Well you should see Polythene Pam
She's so good looking but she looks like a man
Well you should see her in drag dressed in her polythene bag
Yes you should see Polythene Pam
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
Yes you could say she was attractively built
Yeah, yeah, yeah




This thread is a new low, it broke the internet for me -- because it made me sympathize with the HoFers more than the anti-HoFers. This week, the anti's keep reminding me of this, over and over, every thread...



"...I'm a m-model, you know what I mean, and I do my little turn on the catwalk... I shake my little tush on the catwalk..."

Just goes to show this objectifying schtick is anything but new (roughly the same age as tv, and me). And it's getting real boring by now. I keep thinking this fad has to end sometime, but no, decade after decade it never does. And all the while, it's taken to be so trendy, the latest thing. HA! That does crack me up!
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:48 PM (0 replies)

Woman here, and I agree with your point.

As to the semantic circle-jerk up and down this thread, it shows the mentality you're referring to... reveling in sub-human identification as if that justifies some sort of license to be crude, or worse.

We make up a definition that humans are apes, and then insist that it's a fact. Ok, what-the-fuck-ever. Tell you what, when the other apes that we're related to develop their own space program and produce a writer on a level with Shakespeare, then it might have some relevance. Until then humans and apes are more different than alike, which is pretty much self-evident.

And I love how people always intentionally forget that at one time "science" insisted that the world was flat... which is to say that science is only "right" until the next discovery, which usually tends to prove that the previously believed science was wrong. There's still some science left to figure out today, so there's no need to act so absolute about it -- that in itself is stupid and unscientific imo.

Speaking of science, I've come up with a new hypothesis, that people become what they constantly look at. That is why those who constantly look at asses become an ass. I think it has possibilities.
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:39 PM (0 replies)

This is old news.

The only thing new is Woody Allen's film award recently. This controversy is nothing more than an attempt to detract from that. Thus, regardless of the past, Dylan is the abuser now.

I never was a Woody Allen fan, I didn't like most of his films long before this controversy came up the first time, but regardless of what he did or didn't do, I don't think Dylan, Mia, and Ronan are any better.

This current episode is total bullshit and a manipulation of public opinion. The timing of it tells the whole story and shows it up for exactly what it is.

If Dylan had a case it would've been won in court at the time. She does not have a case. As far as the court of public opinion is concerned, it has all been heard before in the past. This is nothing but a rehash. This is Dylan's problem, not mine or any of the public's, and the behavior of her and her faction recently hasn't made me any more sympathetic to her. It also hasn't made me think any worse of Woody Allen than I did before, which is clearly what she was going for in doing this -- turning his public against him. Nice. That's hardly what someone in the mindset of a hurt little girl victim would do, that's a deliberately destructive action out of hate, and yes, hate will sometimes dare to falsely accuse. What we're being asked to just take on faith is that her hate comes from an an allowable reason, and it also comes off as very similar to her mother's behavior and m.o. in the past -- also looking to attack the public's opinion about him... frankly, I wouldn't be shocked if this whole thing largely originated in the first place out of Mia's jealousy of WA's career success.

This won't cause me to go see a Woody Allen film that I wouldn't have seen before; it also won't keep me from seeing a Woody Allen film that I would've seen before. There is no other involvement I have in this, other than whether I see or don't see his films, same as the rest of the public. So to me, this whole effort by Dylan was a fail. His achievements in film are a fact, and that isn't going to be erased by her no matter what whe says. And that is as it should be.

She is attempting to assassinate his lifelong work, and that is just as bad as what she's accusing him of.
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Sun Feb 9, 2014, 06:55 AM (10 replies)

Shamelessness for its own sake is not a virtue.

If Miley Cyrus were ashamed of her last tv performance, that would be the beginning of common sense, which she clearly doesn't have.

Women who really are secure with their bodies have nothing to prove. That's what this has turned into: prove that you are cool with your sexuality by doing these grotesque and demeaning things (that, oh by the way, men want to see you do).

I can understand men pushing this view, but I am floored that feminists are conned into pushing it too. Frankly, it isn't very bright.

If feminists are really stuck on promoting this silly ideology, then I can only conclude that feminism has been co-opted by the patriarchy. It's over, turn out the lights.

The "rape culture" problem and the "culture of violence" (toward women) problem don't happen in a vacuum. You don't offer a cause but I will as the OP did: both come from a hatred of women problem, which isn't helped one bit by encouraging women to degrade themselves as much as possible, in some very odd reverse psychology ritual of proving themselves, which never needed doing in the first place. It's a lot of double talk and double think at the bottom of it. That's what it usually takes to get people to act against their own self-interest.

Don't bother trotting out the burkas. Rejecting one extreme does not require accepting the other extreme. It's a very false, simplistic argument. Both extremes are equally unacceptable. Both of them have nothing to do with common sense, or any benefit to women, and everything to do with ideology at women's expense..
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Thu Jan 16, 2014, 06:01 AM (1 replies)

Where does somebody get the idea that they can

just damage somebody else's life because they feel like it? or bring misery to someone's life just because they can get away with it? What kind of mind thinks like that? It's really prevalent today. I see it all as a continuum of bullying... from extreme horrific incidents like this, all the way down to just psychological petty battering at a place like DU. (I don't want to get off on a tangent, but that is why I am very opposed to some things I see on here, and even by feminists, which disgusts me, because it is all a continuum of the same thing, the same bullying attitude.) There was a story this week about a woman torturing and killing a 4 year old little boy, the son of her boyfriend, so it's spread to the whole population now, even though it's vastly more often men or boys -- I see that changing. I see the same kind of thing, big and small, in all kinds of people all around me all the time.

It's a very ugly sort of entitlement to inflict harm, which is alarming. It's almost as if what it is to be human is corroding away in many people. Many seem to be nearly amoral by now. There is no concern for consequences that has anything to do with what is right, or decent behavior. All that's left is concern for consequences to themselves, whatever they can get away with, they have no qualms about doing.

I agree with everything you posted, including that yes, I too have a big problem with entertainers such as Miley Cyrus, and all the people who make people like her popular. There is no point in railing against what happens to women and then feeding it at the same time... which is what I see some people doing by refusing to come down on that garbage. That "style" of whatever it is should've had its moment, and ended, years ago. I can't believe how long it has gone on, and on. basically since the late 80's now. I'm sick and tired of it, and am amazed that something else hasn't come along to take its place. But maybe that's by design and someone's intention, don't know.

I'm so sorry, roguevalley. For you, and these victims you know. Please tell them that we are thinking of them, and hope for their recovery and comforting.

I don't mean this in a light way, but as a dedication and tribute to the young woman who was hurt, and to you RV, and to all of us who care...



For anybody out there who is in a situation that makes them afraid, I just want to say... it's better by far to live alone than to live with abuse. Up until the day before this happened, this woman had a chance to get out. Clearly she was already too afraid to go, she had been battered down that far. No, they don't love you, they are liars. They think it's cool to get away with doing people harm. No, it won't get better, ever, it will get worse, it always does. No, your abuser isn't different, not a bit different. Don't tolerate it, you deserve to be treated well. Everybody does.

I've been there too and got out, so can you. The first step is believing you can. And the first step to that is gathering information, to show you how you can. Once you can see how it can be done, then you find the will. You can do it, others have, so can you.

Don't worry about the abuser's feelings either, they don't have any that are similar to yours. The only loss they feel is losing the game they like to play. Just go. And don't look back. A couple of thoughts that helped, to pass along...



Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:46 AM (0 replies)

"If the muzzle fits." is that your cutesy way of calling polly7 a dog?

Jury results are in. Oh yes, I alerted. And I will every time I see this kind of thing. I'm disgusted that anybody can call themselves a feminist and address any woman on DU like this. At least it was close this time, 3-3, thanks jurors. "Feminists" doing this, just wow! What a nerve some people have. And they wonder why they have no credibility. Gee, I can't imagine why.


On Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:50 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

You know what they say...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4325366

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

A backhanded way of calling polly7 a dog.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:02 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Polly7 used the 'dog' metaphor first in this thread; PassingFair was replying to that. I think the whole thread is quite bizarre, but I don't this one post can be singled out.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: In the context of this thread, I'd say leave it. There are lots of insults and innuendos. If you don't want to continue to engage in the endless argument, then stay out of the thread. Not enough for me to hide it.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alert.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post IS rude, hurtful...
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not even funny, even if they are friends. Also, too fucking close to the word "Bitch". Hide.

Thank you.
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:46 PM (1 replies)

The problem with flipping discrimination around into white privilege

(or any other sort of privilege, the point is the same), is that it goes from an actual action (discrimination) to a passive state of being (privilege), which in fact is condemning or blaming people for acts they didn't do but other people of their race did... which is racism again... definition:" n. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. "

That unchangeable fact of being white becomes the focus of the issue instead of actually changing acts of discrimination where it is found to exist. Hence, actual change for the better is sidelined. Instead, people focus on purifying other peoples' attitudes which is a pointless waste of time, and can be dangerous (the example of the religious right for instance).

The bottom line of it is that instead of judging people as individuals, with concepts of privilege we are back to judging people as a race (or gender etc.), which is a step backwards. And that stepping backwards is why many resist it.

The OP asked a question, seemingly to point out that there is no answer, and I answered it, mostly to make the point that there is an answer. It goes to the old saying, if you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question.

I am white, but I am also a woman, so I can understand both sides of the issue of privilege. And I can sum up my viewpoint the most succinctly by saying this: anybody who wants to replace the supposed privilege of one group by setting up a similarly abusive privilege by another group can fuck right off. I am not the tiniest bit interested in that. I am interested in equality as humans and equal treatment under the law for all. Regardless. (Sort of along the lines of this general idea...)



As to societal attitudes, I'm not into telling anybody what they ought to think. I believe that attitudes tend to correct themselves over time when there is equal treatment under the law, as much as they are going to be corrected in a given person that is.

But whatever people here want to do about their political causes is up to them. As of course mine are up to me, and the same for all of us. We prioritize what we feel is the best way to go.
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Sat Jan 11, 2014, 05:33 AM (1 replies)
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