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My namesake... http://youtu.be/GgXzWhexJh0 ... If I were asked to recommend only one political / history book it would be this one... http://www.amazon.com/Treason-America-Anton-Chaitkin/dp/0943235006 ... Treason in America: from Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman, by Anton Chaitkin. I do NOT endorse all of the views by Chaitkin external to this book, nor all of his actions, nor all of his associations, but I DO highly recommend this book. It is one every US citizen and everyone interested in its history should read. It it well written, meticulously sourced, and it is eye-opening -- even for those who consider themselves already knowledgeable. If you have not read it before, you need to read it, it is need-to-know information, and what it has to say is not going to be found in many places, if anywhere, else. That is my tip for whoever is passing by.

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I realize that you are the owners of the site.

But do you really think it's ok to treat people the way you have this week? Do you really think it's any better than the bad behavior in Meta?

I don't, at all. This was extremely rude, and unnecessary to do this way. There wasn't even any serious attempt made to reform Meta, by changing its rules or SoP. There was no input at all from posters beforehand. There was no input from you as to what you didn't like about it, or wanted to see changed. There was no announcement made of what was going on, or why. Posters don't even have access to their posts in a read-only format.

I am in the minority, clearly, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels very run-over by this. And the only recourse we're left with after being treated this way, is to come to this group hat-in-hand to line up one at a time like school children. There's no forum even left to us where any objection or reaction of any kind can be discussed, because "no whining about DU" has been added to all the forums' SoP's. Frankly, I think that makes it a very heavy-handed and cold-blooded thing to do. It comes off as a smack in the face and STFU.

I doubt this will make any difference but I had to say what I think. I don't think you admins are bad guys, on the contrary, but I think this was a really bad action you took. I'm really sorry it was done.
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:40 AM (1 replies)

Truth be told

and this is my opinion only.

On the last day there was a thread up, in which a certain faction was getting its ass handed to it. Not by attacks, but by people notably refusing to get in it with them. Right in the middle of that dragging on (@ 8 hours with few replies), Meta went down. So... whatever. They say they're so happy it's gone, and imo that is why. They were imploding (and that might have been a good thing for DU, who knows). It appeared to me that the effect of taking away Meta just then, rescued them (or saved face) in the nick of time.

Just one opinion for 2 cents. And I'll leave it at that, hereafter.

(ps, Yes I do agree that Meta was a train wreck, but I also think a couple of rule changes could've mostly fixed that. But it is, what it is, gone is gone.)
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:55 PM (0 replies)

October Project & Til Tuesday

Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:42 AM (1 replies)

On death and Meta

This post is firstly for my Dad, who passed away a few days ago at the age of 95, and for those here who have lost loved ones in their close inner circle.

It's secondly to thank hrmjustin, Behind the Aegis, Warren DeMontague, libodem, pipi_k, Wait Wut, susanr516, and Sissyk all at once for their kind words in hrmjustin's thread, where I had mentioned Dad's death in passing, within a comment on a Meta incident earlier in the day. I thoughtlessly threw a bit of a curve ball into hrmjustin's thread, but instead of noticing that faux pas, he was simply his gracious kind self, as always.

And now here comes the Meta part. (I'm going to bemoan an oversight, which I intend to simultaneously correct.)

Meta has shown me the best and the worst of DU. The worst is frequently mentioned about Meta, but the best almost never is. I guess it takes adversity to provide a "frame" to see that in. Or put another way, it may take meanness to bring out nobility of spirit, or bigness of character -- which I see in many in Meta, not just a few. Maybe that's what keeps drawing me back here.

So this thread is thirdly also to you, "the salt of Meta" if you will. You are so intelligent, and witty, and brave, and caring... and contexts to show that come up all the time here. It's a pleasure to read your thoughts and become to some degree familiar with how your mind works, via this window.

The song I posted below best expresses not only my thoughts on death, but my thoughts on you "salt of Meta" characters as well (I mean that, smilingly, in the most complimentary way). I'm glad to read you here, and I feel that I have gotten to know who people are better in this forum than in any of the others. For four years I had posted on DU, still wondering after several thousand posts what the background stories referred to meant, until I saw them explained during incidents in early Meta. I couldn't really remember who one poster was from another much, until Meta started. Comprehension gradually replaced bewilderment.

Thank you so much for all that you give us -- in the words of still another songwriter -- "For Free". (Joni Mitchell http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=oQJMq0IZbxI , remove the space to go there, couldn't get the "link" function to work on this)

Please consider this thread and the thought in the song below "to you" personally, and an all-of-you-at-once "thank you!" for all your thoughts of comfort, encouragement, and insight, that you give so often to not just me, but to so many of us here on DU.

"For A Dancer", Jackson Browne

Keep a fire burning in your eye
Pay attention to the open sky
You never know what will be coming down
I don't remember losing track of you
You were always dancing in and out of view
I must've always thought you'd always be around
Always keeping things real by playing the clown
Now you're nowhere to be found

I don't know what happens when people die
Can't seem to grasp it as hard as I try
It's like a song I can hear playing right in my ear
That I can't sing
I can't help listening

I can't help feeling stupid standing around
Crying as they ease you down
Cause I know that you'd rather we were dancing
Dancing our sorrow away
(Right on dancing)
No matter what fate chooses to play
(There's nothing you can do about it anyway)

Just do the steps that you've been shown
By everyone you've ever known
Until the dance becomes your very own
No matter how close to yours another's steps have grown
In the end there is one dance you'll do alone

Keep a fire for the human race
And let your prayers go drifting into space
You never know what will be coming down
Perhaps a better world is drawing near
And just as easily, it could all disappear
Along with whatever meaning you might have found
Don't let the uncertainty turn you around
(The world keeps turning around and around)
Go on and make a joyful sound

Into a dancer you have grown
From a seed somebody else has thrown
Go on ahead and throw some seeds of your own
And somewhere between the time you arrive and the time you go
May lie a reason you were alive but you'll never know

Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Sat Mar 2, 2013, 09:47 PM (20 replies)

Re: "suppress discussion of women's issues"

A Solid Gold Classic -- not from years ago, but yesterday -- in which seabeyond tells me to STFU.

I was flabbergasted, because this is the person who constantly complains about everybody wanting to shut her up, and shut women up. She defines any differing view as trying to shut her up, but she can come right out and say it to me and that's just fine in her view of things.


That was in response to a very innocuous comment just above that one, in which I said that women who dissent here are collateral damage to the "cause". No names named, no groups mentioned. I even made the subject line simply "K&R" to make it as anti-inflammatory as possible, while still making the point to the OP. What I got, unbidden, was "fuckin" this and that, amid a whole load of word salad.

She then went on to prove my point by other posts to me in the same thread -- run right over me, say any attacking thing she wants, to defend her position.

I just find this amusing in a "wow, look at that train wreck" kind of way. The serious point though is, as OP stated, it's almost impossible to discuss anything, especially any women's issue unless it's "the party line". Clearly, it's to exclude and shout down alternate views, or any criticism, no matter how calmly stated.
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:55 PM (2 replies)

11 hides, 49 star members ignoring, and 52 blocking mail, yep that's a paragon of virtue.


But then, considering the tactics which are beloved by this faction, it really isn't surprising that someone like that would be the "rock star of the week". Good choice, well done.

But um, I do find it odd that a MAN was singled out for such glory and adulation. What, no woman could fit the bill? Guess not.

And... the cute graphic is clearly intended to be heartwarming, but what strikes me immediately is the lack of any noticeable hands of color. It looks like white people congratulating themselves.

Good job! I give this thread a perfect "10".
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:23 PM (1 replies)

Aww... still haz a sad over the alert failure yesterday?


Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:06 PM (0 replies)

Lol, thank you Coke Machine!

And of course, jurors. That's some funny stuff right there. I don't do this often but I must...

Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:57 PM (1 replies)

"Nevermind, I'll find someone like you... "

45 years, and never did. Came close, once though.

Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:34 AM (16 replies)

Just curious... was there an alert on the picture itself

that this post is referring to? (post #6) Did anyone alert on that? And does anyone have the jury results on it? I'm assuming that it was juried and left to stand?


If nobody alerted on it, why not? Why would a crude comment about a crude pic be more worthy of outrage than the pic itself?
Posted by Waiting For Everyman | Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:34 PM (2 replies)
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