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Sanders' impact on the Dem Party in full: Minnesota moves to presidential primary in 2020

From your link:

http://www.twincities.com/2016/05/22/minnesota-moves-to-presidential-primary/?version=meter+at+1&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F12512113399&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

I think that this will be Sanders' true legacy in the Democratic party.

Oh. My. God. My expressions reading that:



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I don't even know if this is a joke or not but hysterically, I predicted that this kind of

stuff would become a thing here about a week or two after the first polls came out that showed that Hillary had somewhere along the lines of 80% support from black voters. Yep, I posted about this in July

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=18529
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=18545

I noted that folks better get ready for a DELUGE of "endorsements" from every black or brown person that endorsed Sanders. That no endorsement would be too small or insignificant. And that folks here would say that the 6 black endorsements for Sanders would somehow hold the same weight if not, somehow actually MORE weight than the God only knows how many endorsements Hillary has gotten from minorities.

And GDP has certainly not let me down in that regard.

BJ, I think the genesis of all of this was Cali_Dem's OP in May where he dared to note Hillary's

then 87% support from the black community. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026706470 The responses were so ignorant, privileged, paternalistic, moronic and embarrassing that I did an OP about them in AA a few days later. http://www.democraticunderground.com/118714610

This happened a few months before Black Lives Matter. And when Netroots and Seattle did happen, all it did was blow the lid off what was already a fairly serious problem.

So daring to note Hillary's strong minority support in May started it all imo. That was the start of the "but what has she ever done for THEM??!" and "black people don't know what's good for us" crap. It was also the start of the "Bernie is a civil rights legend" mess that spread all over the Internet and had people of all colors over every corner of the Internet looking at Bernie supporters like this:



It's been downhill ever since.

I think he's moving towards Warren's position too. But what amazes me is the number of Bernie

supporters who are breaking their fingers pretending that he's ALWAYS been at Warren's position. That he's always been a strong advocate for racial justice. He has not and his campaign could not make that more obvious.

Even his press secretary has clearly stated she's made this argument to him.

“One of my suggestions, he took it and ran with it on Meet the Press, is that racial inequality and economic inequality are parallel issues,” she said. “I you know, economic equality is an issue. It’s something we need to address. But for some people it doesn’t matter how much money you make, it doesn’t matter where you went to school, it doesn’t matter what your parents do. It doesn’t matter that Sandra Bland had a job and was on her way to teach for her alma mater. It doesn’t matter. None of that matters.”

Bernie Sanders took to the advice, Symone Sanders said. She also confronted him with one of the criticisms he faced earlier in the summer, when Black Lives Matter activists rejected his statements about his past civil rights movement work. http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-campaign-adds-young-black-woman-as-new-public#.rl5wb1k1y


If Bernie was such a stalwart advocate for racial justice, it would not be the hallmark of the criticism against his candidacy (along with his stance on guns and the lingering concern from many that he is not a member of the Dem party). So this idea that everyone has just made all of this up in order to criticize him is incredibly stupid and bizarre.

Where I'm at right now is I think Mr. Sanders is the best candidate and rather than protect him against criticism like this, I want to be one of the people pushing him as hard as I can towards a better position because I think it needs to happen.

Then he is very lucky to have you among his supporters. And it will be people like you that get him into the White House.

I couldn't care less about nameless fools disliking me nor the attempts to pretend that a certain

candidate never made "economics will trump all" their rallying cry and/or mantra or that black people who dare to discuss this are conducting a "jihad" against Bernie Sanders.

If a candidate had never made this message a staple of their campaign, there wouldn't be endless analyses and comments from black people, economists and now apparently Elizabeth Warren saying how clueless and historically ignorant that stance actually is.

To Black Lives Matter activists and sympathizers, who've spent the last year or more calling attention to the deaths of young black men and women (many at the hands of police), Sanders's attitude toward race was all too familiar: Generations of white progressives have kept economic issues at the center of progressivism and issues that affect mostly nonwhites at the margins. They've challenged Sanders to make racism and mass incarceration as important to his campaign as Social Security. http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9127653/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter


The horizontal organization of Black Lives Matter ensures a diversity of perspectives among participants and even branches. Nevertheless, the now-commonplace claim at the heart of the recent Black Lives Matter protests against Sanders is that white liberals have long reduced racism to class inequality in order to deflect attention from racial disparities. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/08/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter-civil-rights-movement/


"We have a fundamental disagreement with Bernie Sanders that racism is somehow an offshoot from economic exploitation when the reality is that race and class in America are inextricably linked to the rise of capitalism in this country," activist Kimberly Ellis told Weigel. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/14/why-bernie-sanders-problems-with-black-voters-go-much-deeper-than-him-just-blaming-the-media/


And that was just with a 12 second search. I'd be here all day if I posted even 1/4 of the stories discussing this, making the "Bernie never said that the focus on economics was most important" denial even more blatant and flat out dumb as well as dishonest.

I am DYING laughing at the Clean up on Aisle 2!! Clean up on Aisle 2!!! level of desperation



"No, it just LOOKED like he fucked up. He really didn't!!1 Don't trust your lying eyes!!one"

I just came out of Gd-P and it is THICK up in there. You guys better be prepared. We will soon be bombarded with a TSUNAMI of brown faces suddenly touting Bernie's creds! Ray Ray the dry cleaner, Killer Mike, Wally the taxi driver, Rashonda the school teacher -- they will FIND them some Negroes to put up in order to try to pretend that yes this man has TRULY and DEEPLY connected with the black and Hispanic communities, just forget what those polls tell you! Just forget what black media is telling you! Jason, the 14-year old black kid on social media who's not even old enough to vote really loves him!!!

Yesterday, folks were talking about the polls that showed Hillary wiping the floor with Sanders were bought and paid for by her campaign. Today, these same folks are pretending that what appears to be a fairly disastrous appearance before BLM is either the work of ungrateful Negroes or is actually a shining example of how perfect and glorious their candidate is.

These really embarrassingly stupid "defenses" of their candidate will get plenty of recs here, but if nothing else, all it's really doing is showing how desperate, uninformed and sad these folks are. They really are to be pitied.

"You can't make us have one iota of respect for someone who has ZERO respect for our voices"

And at the end of the day, you have summed up the entire crux of the problem in one perfect sentence.

I went and found the OP's longing for the Good Old Days post that did it for me. By the time he'd posted this, I'd long since found him tedious and disruptive, but this was the thread that did it for me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024013403

The "It Getters" as Bobbie Jo calls herself and I love that phrase, are in that thread. Bobbie Jo, frazzled, Raine, J17 and more than a few others tried to get the OP to see how blind and offensive he was being but to no avail. Look at the recs, JAG.

I don't normally respond to this person or even post that often in his OP's but I damn sure did in that one. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024013403#post28

And his responses were exactly as dismissive, uninterested and blithely uncaring as I would expect from an "Ivy League" educated "former" Republican. Or the responses he was allowed to give before his loud mouthed and even wronger self-appointed bodyguards jumped in were.

You noticed the OP suddenly has nothing to say, huh?

This is what infuriates me about the "it's not race, it's class" crew. In addition to being astoundingly ignorant about the country's past and present, there is so much preoccupation with the Beyonces and Serena Williamses (see upthread). Because 2 or 20 or 100 black people are dazzlingly rich, racial discrimination doesn't exist or it's "not that big of a deal."

But show them some data that shows their "it's not race, it's class" spew to be the utter bunk that it is, then they suddenly lose their ability to read or respond.

More FACTS:

The study, conducted by the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Urban Institute (a nonpartisan think tank in Washington) used a method called "pair testing." Two people — one person of color and one white person — called and then visited a real estate office to ask about an available property for rent or sale. Both of the pair testers told real estate agents that they had about the same income, assets and employment. Both testers were greeted politely and given appointments to look at properties. But whites were told about and shown more units. They were also more likely to be offered lower rent than their testing partners.


So the white couple with the same finances as the non-white couple not only got shown more units but were offered LOWER RENTS. And here's the kicker --


IF that is not WHITE PRIVILEGE then for God's sake, WHAT IS???

And this happened nationally. Not regional -- NATIONAL. Institutionalized. SYSTEMIC. Happens EVERYWHERE, not just in the South or the mid-West or wherever people have convinced themselves that The Racists live. It happens Everywhere in America.

A little-noticed study released last fall by the Pataki administration concluded that black and Hispanic people sentenced for minor felonies or misdemeanors in New York were treated more harshly than whites in similar circumstances. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/10/nyregion/a-racial-study-finds-differences-in-jail-sentences.html



Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002


Tougher sentences for THE SAME CRIMES. The only difference is the race of the perpetrators.


Researchers say they their new study suggests a reason why African Americans are overrepresented in prison. Black defendants are more likely to be sentenced to prison than whites, on average, but the racial gap is even more pronounced among some judges, suggesting that race is influencing the decision, the study found. http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/race_matters_in_sentencing_study_finds/


This is NOT about class!!!! This is about RACE. And until that changes, discussions about white privilege are apt, are relevant and need to be had.

HOW CAN LIBERALS REACH AMERICANS??

HOW CAN LIBERALS GET MORE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES IN OFFICE?

Since the small caps in the OP apparently whizzed by your head as you seem absolutely INVESTED in blaming everything on corporations.

HOW CAN LIBERALS GET MORE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES IN OFFICE?

This is the question asked over and over and over again by those us beyond disgusted/exasperated and absolutely repulsed by the shrillness of some of the "liberal" posters here. Besides "holding the president's feet to the fire!1" aka "incessantly criticizing Democrats" no one has anything resembling answer. Which I would dare to say, is the VERY CRUX OF THE FUCKING PROBLEM that alot of Americans have with liberals.

HOW CAN LIBERALS GET MORE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES IN OFFICE?

And as for your absolutely astounding comment about "ending homelessness, or SS and Medicare for our seniors, or health care for all children, etc." which is so vague to be almost meaningless, I'll just point out that FDR, the patron saint of GD that so many here seem to spend so much time pleasuring themselves to his memory, got EVERY BIT of the same criticisms that Obama has received, except the left was much more vitriolic and angry with FDR at the time.

FDR got "the New Deal doesn't go far enough" from liberals. Sound familiar?
FDR got "you're too comfy-cozy with bankers" from liberals. Sound familiar?
FDR was accused of "not doing enough for the poor" by liberals. Sound familiar?

He could do no right by the liberal wing during his time and now, hilariously, the man is absolutely lionized by some on the left for the same policies that he was savaged for by the left during his time. It just goes to show that there are people that learn NOTHING from history. Absolutely NOTHING.

And this is to everyone's detriment, in my opinion. It is a crying shame that people who are interested and committed in the greater good and taking care of the less fortunate are also so caught up in being nay-sayers, finger-waggers and constant complainers that they are far more successful in alienating and ostracizing than they have ever, EVER been at affecting lasting change in this country. It is TRULY a damned shame.
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