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If Hillary wins the Primary on the strength of her bought of Super Delegates alone, what will you do

Morning Joe just had a really bad segment, even for them!

My elderly mom watches this every morning and I usually catch 10 minutes or so. Today they had a segment where they talked about Bernie and said socialist about 50 times, never once led by the word, "Democratic." They talked about how how the taxes will go crazy and the other usual stuff. No real mention of income inequality or anything that Bernie stands for. Some guy from Romney's campaign was on there, but he didn't get to say much. What little he did say was the usual RW BS.

Publicly Funded Elections, Bernie's solution to the root problem of campaign bribes.

In the MSNBC debate the other night, Bernie was asked if he would tackle first if elected. Immigration was suggested as a possibility by the moderator to trap him into either committing to that issue first, or pissing off the Latino vote by suggesting another issue first. Bernie avoided this trap by explaining that immigration and a whole host of other important issues would not go anywhere unless we first deal with the corruption in Washington caused by campaign contributions (bribes).

For his plan to work he has said all along that the people will have to pressure Washington into doing what we need and eliminating campaign contributions and Super PAC's. What he is fighting for is a return of Representative Democracy. Currently, we have politicians who only represent Donors, not "We the People." Hillary is the perfect example of what Bernie is talking about. This is what makes this the most important Presidential election for many decades. It will determine if we can throw off the yoke of the shadow government that controls our politics and regain control over our Democracy, or be subjected to more corporate control over our lives and our future. The stakes couldn't be higher!

Despite Hillary's denial that the huge personal fortune she and Bill amassed by speaking to these power brokers, and all of the campaign and Super Pac contributions would have an effect on her policy positions, it does have an effect, on both her, and all of the Republican and Democratic politicians who are lining up to endorse her and receive money from her massive list of wealthy donors.

We have been ranking candidates by how much in bribes they can amass each quarter, that's how ingrained this crap is! This has to end and Bernie is our best chance at doing it! I no longer choose to live under corporate rule!

Feel the Bern!!!!!!!

I think we can put to bed the "We have to vote for Hillary or the Republicans win" argument.

While I think either Bernie or Hillary could beat Trump or whoever from the clown car, Bernie does it much more convincingly. Hillary would mobilize the Republican base to vote, even from a death bed and have a tougher time of it. Trump would be able to use the "insider" argument against her, which in the 2016 election is a no no. People of both Parties are sick of the corruption. I still think she would prevail because the Republican field is just so bad.

If either Democratic candidate would win the General, it should just come down to who has the better policies and be able to help down ticket races. Hillary would be a drag here, again because of extra Republican animus towards her that Bernie doesn't generate. Bernie definitely has the better policies for Democrats and is a LOT more trustworthy in doing what he says. Not many trust Hillary to keep her campaign promises.

As far as getting their policies enacted, the down ticket races are extremely important, especially since Republican incumbents are up for re-election something like two-to-one to Democrats. Bernie also plans on directing and mobilizing his supporters to pressure Congress to do the right thing. Things like Publicly Funded Elections (PFE's)! Politicians are learning that Americans across the board are tired of being sold out since the popularity of Bernie and Trump would indicate. Since the object of taking the campaign contributions (bribes), is to keep their ass in their seats, PFE's will seem more reasonable. Plus Bernie will be on the Bully Pulpit banging away!

It's not just about their profit! GE for example, makes more money using their network

as a propaganda machine and a tool to influence politicians (access to airwaves) than they do off of advertising. All of them do to one extent or another.

These are OUR AIRWAVES they use under license from US! Publicly Funded Elections (PFEs) would take away the billions in campaign ads, not an insignificant amount, but more importantly, it would severely curtail their ability to buy our politicians. Funny, only one Presidential candidate is backing PFEs, Bernie Sanders.

PFEs attack the root cause of most of our problems and would be the biggest step in returning Representative Democracy. It would allow us to bust up the oligarchies in banking and the media, stopping most of the propaganda. It would allow for a total reallocation of our tax dollars to things we need, education, environment, infrastructure, etc.

Feel the Bern!!!

Let's pass a law banning any dissemination of the name, background, and motivation

of any mass shooter. Whatever some sick individual(s) would want to be publisized about his crime, whether for fame, or advocation of a certain point of view, be it religious, racists, homophobic or some other such crap, let's make it illegal.


I don't want anything this person wants to happen as a result of their crime to succeed. I would think that even the NRA would approve (I think).

Would you support such a law?

Just got axed from the $HRC$ group for posting a sarcastic comment.

I admit it was sarcastic, but I was making a point. I did not make a personal attack on anyone there, but I felt I had to do it. You see, they were all trying to justify all of the money she has raised with all of the expected arguements. "It's UNFORTUNATE that it takes a lot of money from campaign donations and Super Pacs, but..." or "it's naive to think of running for POTUS without taking corporate money because, you know, the clown car Republicans all have their own billionaires..."

"Unfortunate" "the others are doing it," please! I had to point out that Hillary with her name recognition would do fine on what Bernie is raising. She could still pick and choose her interviews that she gives, getting free publicity anytime she wanted. She didn't need corporate money to win, but she wanted it! They act like our campaign system is dirty, but what can we do?

Positive change doesn't just happen, you have to take some risk. Do they think the Founding Fathers said, "Hey, this thing with England sucks, but what can we do?" Hillary is a creature of our corrupt political system. She knows all of the wealthiest people in the world. She knows that she has to give a Quid Pro Quo for the money she is collecting, and it will be at OUR EXPENSE! That right there should be enough to tell you that she doesn't really give a shit about us!

I also have a problem with these groups, the HRC group, Bernie group... Do we really want an area where like minded people only can discuss what they already agree on? I am a Bernie supporter 100%, and I do like to hear from other like minded people, however, I am not adverse to someone else making an arguement about something I may not agree on. Example, some have a problem with Bernie's stance towards guns. I would not get upset at some HRC supporter making this arguement if that's what they did. I may learn something I didn't know before. I do mind snark and personal attacks, just not arguments on the merits. To be honest, sarcasm may have crossed the line anyway, but it was the best way that I could point out what they were doing, which was making a lot of excuses for Hillary taking more bribe money than anyone else in this election. They were clearly defensive about it, but we're trying to act like everyone does it and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. It's galling when they act like we are powerless to oppose the corruption of campaign bribes when we have someone who IS DOING IT! Bernie would be a lock for POTUS if all Democrats decided that this was the election where we could return to Representative Democracy instead of going deeper into fascism.

Despite being here at DU for several years, the Bernie Group is the first group I have joined. Is it an official rule that you cannot argue against the candidate of a group if done respectfully and limited to an issue? I want to know if my being banned from commenting in the HRC group for violation of the rules, or was it because I struck a nerve?

My explanation of Democratic Socialism to people about Bernie's approach.

This is something many of you have seen before, but I find it useful to counter RW attacks on Bernie's label as a Democratic SOCIALIST!

In America, we bailed out the Big Banks and tried austerity for the people. In Iceland they bailed out the people and arrested the Big Bankers. Their economy kept doing well and we went through another Great Depression! The people come first, not corporations. Corporations are not people over there, they are corporations.

The truth about the Gulf oil spill.

Be sure to watch this weeks episodes of the Ed Schultz show on MSNBC. We met with Ed and his producers and let them interview several of our BP Gulf oil spill. Ed was shocked that even he did not know that BP has been lying about everything. Most victims have yet to be paid and BP sprayed the Corexit to sink the oil out of sight, knowing the harm to the sea life it would cause. Must see!


I gotta rant on the pension cuts in the funding bill, it made my 77 year old mom cry!

My dad worked for Bethleham Steel for 30 plus years, long hours, stressful and hard, but he was lucky because he dearly loved his job. The company went belly up right before he was to retire. He had given his best years, and by that time his health was starting to go. The the big shots did something that would soon become all to familiar, they stole the pension money and left! My dad's $1,100 a month went to $50! Fifty lousy bucks! He tried for two years to get a job, even joining a group called "Forty Plus" which tried to help older Americans to get another job. He practiced at interviews, he wrote and rewrote and rewrote his resume. The man could do calculus in his head and anything could be done with his slide rule, but no job. They sunk all that they had to by a muffler shop that had been losing money and he turned it around. I quit my job as a young attorney to save the business after his third hear attack. They eventually sold it, but his medical expenses ate up the bulk of their money.
My mom is a very proud, tough lady, who has lived on her own since his death. She has recently had to move in with me because, even though her house and car were paid off, she doesn't get enough to live on. That $1,100 is the difference!
I came home tonight to find her crying because she heard that her $50 a month was being cut by a third in this spending bill. Really? Has it come to that? All so some 1% SOB can have more! The next time some idiot yells that America is the Greatest country in the world I may just slap them!
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