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Do you think Hilary Clinton is going to encourage investment in alternatives to fossil fuels?

Or is she more closely aligned with the large financial structures surrounding America's traditional energy delivery systems?

Do you think Hilary Clinton is likely to deal with excessive corporate lobbying?

Or is she too dependent on campaign contributions to prevent their influence on policy?

Do you believe Hilary Clinton is likely to scale back the military industrial complex?

Or is she more likely to maintain or even expand it?

How robotically minded do YOU think the average American is?

Are Americans so astoundingly stupid that they simply CAN'T see the benefits of socialised programmes or are they just uneducated or is there some other reason that things other westernised democracies take for granted like abortion rights, publically funded healthcare and a stable welfare state can't be had by Americans?

Do you believe people opposing HRC's nomination on DU are sexist?


Enquiring minds want to know.

"IDIOTS! It's anthrax or scorpions! Choose the SCORPIONS!"

"Yeeees, I can see that if it's anthrax or scorpions you should probably choose the scorpions. It's just that I don't actually believe that it really is anthrax versus scorpions. It think it's shitty stuff versus good stuff."

"Fool that you are. It has ALWAYS been anthrax versus scorpions."

"It used to be anthrax versus kittens."

"Oh, KITTENS. Kittens, YES. Look around you, do you see any kittens? NO. Choose scorpions, kitten-lover."

"Scorpions are bad."


"No, I don't love anthrax, I think anthrax is bad. I can see that scorpions are better than anthrax, but that doesn't mean I should treat scorpions as if they're good."

"Why do you hate scorpions? You're a neurotic scorpion hater. You have scorpophobia. You're paranoid about scorpion stings! You're weird and mad and stuff!"

"Dude, scorpion stings are actually unambiguously BAD, okay? This is a position that has been well understood for some time."


"Sigh. No, I'm not going to go and get evidence for you that scorpions are bad. They are just bad. We probably can't exterminate them from the face of the earth, and actually probably shouldn't, but that doesn't mean we should choose them."

"Well what sort of kitten do you suppose is going to make the grade, huh? Where are all the kittens?"

"There's no point in my bringing my kittens to your scorpion nest, they'll all get stung and die."

"Well, there you go! HA HA! You've admitted defeat! If you can't have scorpions and kittens at the same time, obviously that means that scorpions are better than kittens! You need to choose scorpions."

"I don't understand why you can't choose kittens."

"Oh KITTENS. Kittens my ass. What good are kittens against anthrax?"

"I don't really see how scorpions are any better. The only reason you chose scorpions is because you're scared of scorpions as well as anthrax and you think that means anthrax is going to be scared of scorpions. Anthrax isn't scared of anything. Actually, scorpions aren't scared of much either, but that doesn't mean they're worth anything. I think if you want to deal with anthrax you have to DEAL WITH ANTHRAX, not choose scorpions. Vaccination's good. That's why I propose kittens AND vaccinations."

(Long pause.) "It's polio, isn't it? You love polio."


"You want a pony."

"I do like ponies. But kittens are cheaper and simpler to feed. If I wanted a pony I would have said so."

"You love small pox."


"You're so aggressive! You're a troll!"

"I am NOT a troll. I just want a clear explanation out of you regarding why you think we have to have scorpions."

"How many times do you have to be told!?!?! If we don't have scorpions, we'll all get ANTHRAX."

"I don't see what's so different about us that we get either scorpions or anthrax. There are people all over the place that have neither. Look at Sweden! They have flamingos."

"We're nothing like Sweden!"

"That's because we never put any effort into TRYING to be like Sweden. Do you think Sweden got their flamingos without any effort? They got fed up with anthrax and scorpions years ago. They decided to get nice things that they actually liked instead."

"Flamingos are totally lame. Who feels threatened by flamingos?"

"Why are we supposed to choose THREATENING things? Sweden didn't choose threatening things, they chose vaccinations and flamingos and now they're really happy. They have Ikea as well. When was the last time you saw a scorpion go to Ikea?"

"Scorpions are supposed to be MEAN. If we don't get mean scorpions we won't look frightening to the anthrax!"

"We've discussed this, anthrax doesn't get frightened. Anthrax just wants to infect everybody. I have NEVER understood why you think scorpions are a solution to anthrax! They don't even affect anthrax!"

"You love Ebola."

"This is useless. It's like talking to a poorly programmed robot. ARE you a poorly programmed robot?"

"You love cancer."

"No. I don't love cancer."

"If we choose kittens, we'll all get anthrax."

"All my kittens are vaccinated. Most of your scorpions have anthrax."


"Look over there. Lots of them are dead. Did you forget that lots of them suddenly died? They scarpered about all over the place like creepy little vermin just before getting anthrax and dying. Not particularly surprising, really, as you can't vaccinate scorpions."

"You're a hippy."

"You're pretty much a Republican."


"Oh, for fuck's sake. FORGET IT."


UK political editor in rant against banks... "...all this cufflink tweaking..."

Paul Mason expresses his displeasure:


EVERYBODY'S getting sick of the banks and their stupid crap.

Talking about crackpots and "losing your mind" will not change anything.

The Third Way supports right wing ideology. The section of DU that does not want right wing ideology is not going to change their minds because of being called crackpots. That's all there is to it.

By all means, continue to post junk and troll the site and post flamebait, but all you'll have done is post junk, wasting everybody else's time.

Those who oppose the Third Way don't want right wing ideas in their government. If you support the Third Way, you do. That's it. It means that you're right wing. This site isn't a right wing site. At least, it's not supposed to be.

The Third Way...

... is a political process whereby elements of a political party, usually in a two party system (it isn't confined to the US) advocate a compromise between capitalism and socialism, aiming for a middle ground.


In the United States, "Third Way" adherents embrace fiscal conservatism to a greater extent than traditional social liberals, and advocate some replacement of welfare with workfare, and sometimes have a stronger preference for market solutions to traditional problems (as in pollution markets), while rejecting pure laissez-faire economics and other libertarian positions. The Third Way style of governing was firmly adopted and partly redefined during the administration of President Bill Clinton. With respect to U.S. presidents, the term "Third Way" was introduced by political scientist Stephen Skowronek. "Third Way" presidents 'undermine the opposition by borrowing policies from it in an effort to seize the middle and with it to achieve political dominance. Think of Nixon’s economic policies, which were a continuation of Johnson's "Great Society"; Clinton’s welfare reform and support of capital punishment; and Obama’s pragmatic centrism, reflected in his embrace, albeit very recent, of entitlements reform.'

What this typically entails is "triangulation" - adopting policies more akin to the opposition's than one's own in an effort to gain votes from the middle or the opposition's core voters themselves.

Just in case anyone here doesn't understand the term. There seem to be one or two of you knocking around.

The potential problems with this strategy are rather obvious.

Telling America that it's stupid if it doesn't vote Democrat...

Isn't terribly likely to get Americans to vote for Democrats.

That's what *I* think.
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