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More on Edwina Rogers as Executive Director of the Secular Association of America (SCA)

I had never even heard of SCA before this thread but I knew about Edwina Rogers because of Ed Rogers.

Train wreck.


I’ve sat out the Edwina Rogers fiasco since the Secular Coalition of America announced they’d chosen her as their new Executive Director, waiting to see if my initial revulsion would pass. It hasn’t. I read the transcript of the interview she did with Greta Christina, and the entirety of her Ask Me Anything on Reddit, hoping she could somehow allay our fears and prove she’s capable of representing us effectively, despite her sordid history in Republican politics. But I didn’t have high hopes. Put it this way: I’ve learnt over the last decade that when one trusts Cons not to kick them in the teeth, they’d best have an excellent oral surgeon on speed dial.

Edwina’s managed to meet expectations: she outright lies, she avoids the hardest questions, she babbles nonsense in reply to most of the questions she deigns respond to without bald-faced lies. She is exactly what I suspected she was when I heard some absolute morons had chosen a Republican operative neck-deep in the Bush administration, yammered on Faux News, and who has donated generously to Rick bleeding Perry, to become executive director of the Secular Coalition of America: an unmitigated disaster.

Not all atheists are liberals, and I suppose it could be a good idea to get some secular conservatives on board at times – if they don’t end up compromising the values held by the vast majority of us. As several people have noted, a Republican lobbyist as part (not head) of the SCA isn’t such a horrible idea. And I rather think it would be nice to give the Rabid Right something to worry about from within its own ranks, so the idea of developing a coalition of secular Republicans and siccing them on the fundies actually tickles me. So no, I have no objection per se to having a Republican working with the SCA.

But surely, surely, the SCA could have chosen a better Executive Director than this Bushie. She can’t reach across the aisle to elected Republicans – the bunch currently in office here, there and everywhere are, overwhelmingly, theocratic freaks frantic to install god as our ruler. They’ve already demonstrated that they’ll abandon their own policies if a liberal expresses approval. And I cannot dismiss the fact that she actively supports some of the worst of them.

Read the transcript and replies and quit supporting SCA as it has been co-opted

Edwina Rogers is the wife (or now ex-wife??) of Ed Rogers. Ed Rogers is a founder of Barbour Griffith and Rogers. There has never been a wiki for Ed Rogers despite the fact that Ed rated a chapter and unresolved issues over the funding of Iran-Contra in Kerry's Senate BCCI Report, the prominance of BGR Group, and that he was WH staff under Reagan and GHWB. The couple were part owners of a private medjet company out of Birmingham, AL that also did CIA rendition flights out of the Middle East, Gitmo, etc. She is deep in the belly of the BFEE (as Octafish might say).

See WAPO: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2010/09/rs-_divorce.html

Another D.C. power couple is calling it quits: Republican lobbyists Ed and Edwina Rogers, who have filed for divorce after 20 years of marriage.

Ed Rogers, an Alabama native in his early 50s, was a young foot soldier in the Reagan revolution who came to prominence as Lee Atwater's top deputy on George H.W. Bush's 1988 campaign. After working in the White House, he founded what became known as the lobbying giant BGR Group with Haley Barbour, now the governor of Mississippi. In 1989, he married Edwina, a fellow University of Alabama alum who worked for the National Republican Senatorial Committee during the GOP takeover in 1994, and later for then-Majority Leader Trent Lott. She, too, transitioned into lobbying, most recently with the Patient Centered Primary Care Collaborative.

They did well for themselves professionally: The tricked-out seven-bedroom mansion they built in McLean several years ago -- site of charitable and political fundraisers -- drew joking comparisons to Versailles. ("In this house, you're never too far from a drink or a TV screen," Ed told our colleague Al Kamen in 2003.) Edwina, now in her mid-40s, turned heads last fall when she was trailed around town by TV cameras filming "Real Housewives of D.C."; though she was said to be in contention for a central role, she's only made guest appearances in the Bravo reality series.........

Edwina Rogers wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwina_Rogers

Edwina Rogers has served in public policy positions in the US Senate, White House, private, and international sectors for over twenty years. She served as the founding Executive Director of the Patient Centered Primary Care Collaborative (PCPCC) from 2006-11, a Washington DC trade association. The PCPCC is responsible for the national patient centered home movement and for implementing the model around the US.

Edwina served as Vice President, Health Policy for the ERISA Industry Committee (ERIC) in Washington, DC from May 2004 to January 2009. ERIC advocates the employee benefits and compensation interests of America’s major employers.

She was an Economic Advisor for President George W. Bush at the White House during 2001 and 2002 at the National Economic Council, focusing on health and social security policy. Ms. Rogers was General Counsel of the National Republican Senatorial Committee during the Republican take-over of the Senate in 1994. She worked for Senator L ott while he was Majority Leader in 1999 and she handled health policy for Senator Sessions in 2003 and 2004. Edwina worked on International Trade matters for former President George H. W. Bush at the Department of Commerce from 1989 to 1991.

Ms. Rogers practiced law in the Washington office of Balch and Bingham from 1991 to 1994. She received her BS in Corporate Finance from the University of Alabama and a JD from Catholic University in Washington DC. Ms. Rogers was a Fellow at the Kennedy School at Harvard during 1996.

Edwina has written a conservative column for The Georgetowner newspaper in Washington, DC and is a regular strategist on cable news television. She served on the Board of Directors of Semco Energy, Inc. (NYSE: SEN) a natural gas distribution company until 2007.

In 2012, she was named Executive Director of the Secular Coalition for America.

Catherine Austin Fitts on the Aristocracy of Stock Profits (long)

Why I Wrote This Story

A tapeworm injects chemicals into a host that causes the host to crave what is good for the tapeworm. In America, we despair for our deterioration, but we crave the next injection of chemicals from the Tapeworm ...


The Cobell vs Salazar settlement ended all American Indian claims against the US Federal Government

for Indian Trust lands (Reservations and Allotments) sold under the Dawes Act and monies lost by BIA mis-management of natural resources on Indian Trust lands.

The settlement was for less than $0.02 on the dollar in economic terms ignoring cultural damage and excludes most American Indians.

Many American Indian leaders and the Obama Administration consider the settlement a "win" rather than a political convenience even though most American Indians are excluded.



About 100 million acres of Indian Trust lands were sold by the DOI/BIA under the Dawes Act. Individual Tribes were harmed more than the $2 Billion allotted for the entire USA.

From the FAQ at : http://www.cobellsettlement.com/

2. What am I giving up as part of the Settlement?

If the Settlement becomes final, you will give up your right to sue the federal government for the claims being resolved by this Settlement. The specific claims you are giving up against the federal government are described in Section A, paragraphs 14, 15, and 21 of the Settlement Agreement. You will be "releasing" the federal government and all related people as described in Section I of the Settlement Agreement.

If you did not receive an IIM account statement for 2009, you may request your IIM account balance as of September 30, 2009 by calling 888-678-6836. If you request your IIM account balance, you are agreeing to the balance provided by Interior unless you excluded yourself from the Settlement (see Excluding Yourself From the Settlement).

The Settlement Agreement describes the released claims with specific descriptions, so read it carefully. If you have any questions, you can talk to Class Counsel for free or you can talk to your own lawyer at your own expense.

Pablo Amaringo's Ayahuasca Visons

Bing image search for Pablo Amaringo (Peruvian shaman) visionary art images


Susan Seddon Boulet

Here is a Bing image search on Susan Seddon Boulet :


Look at Project Gutenberg re: ERB and Mars - March 13, 2012

Top 100 EBooks yesterday

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Book - How to Keep Your Language Alive: A Commonsense Approach to One-On-One Language Learning


There are local language classes available in Karuk along the lower Klamath River including for children.

Another relatively recent book about Klamath Mountain Tribes is:

Cultural Contact and Linguistic Relativity among the Indians of Northwestern California


I recommend clicking "search inside this book" for a closeup on the ancestral ranges of the Tribes and then "first pages" for what is excellent contemporary scholarship.

Karuk was once considered Hokan but is now classified as a language isolate.

The adjacent Hupa and Yurok Tribes originally spoke languages in the Athabascan and Alaquonkin (sp?) linguistic families and came after the Karuk but adopted Karuk spiritual and material cultures. Some native speakers survived until relatively recent times and there are dictionaries / lexicons recorded by cataloguing anthropologists.

Edit to add:

Now You're Speaking Karuk! (Arar'ahih - the People's Language)


Amazon says not available but I am pretty sure one can still buy on far north coast California. I am almost certain the book can be found at Clark Museum in Old Town Eureka.

We should regulate so the market serves max utility to the People

at minimum risk to the Planet. Humans are guests.

Futures in theory and principal are fine and stabilizing to markets.

In practice, futures are an insider and technocratic game that bleeds wealth and income upword from the People and local communities by the nature of the structure and ethic.

WOW CJ Ralph went way overboard in support of the accused in the T-S

When news spread Thursday that a pair of respected Eureka biologists were arrested for their alleged roles in an elaborate embezzlement scheme, the reaction was stunned disbelief.

Many in the biology community contacted on Friday -- before information contained in the search warrant affidavits outlining the investigation was reported in the Times-Standard -- declined to comment for this story, saying they didn't want to get involved and preferred to let the legal process run its course.

All, however, said the two men's reputations are beyond reproach.

”With all the work they have done over many years -- and Mad River Biologists has set a very high standard for intellectual and financial integrity -- I have no doubt that when this finishes up, they will be found not to have done anything wrong,” said C.J. Ralph, a research scientist with the U.S. Forest Service


CJ Ralph of Redwood Science Lab is the best avian biologist and most published I have ever met.

For the birders at DU:

I was a cooperator in providing two land bird monitoring sites with the RWSL and CJ between 1991 and 2002. There was a series of plots in the California and Oregon Klamath Basin from 1992 to 2003 when defunded under GWB. I believe they were the most intensely studied sites in the USA. There use to be a web site link at Redwood Science Lab but it seems to be gone. There was one other small private land owner and the rest of sites were either Federal or timber industry. Kim Hollinger was project manager. Mad River Biology may have done some of the sampling under contract but I am not certain. I lived in Corvallis, OR and Redding, CA during this period.

They used constant-effort mist netting, point count, and area search censusing. In the breeding season (May 1 - Aug 15) the stations were sampled every 10 days and during the migration season (Aug 16-Oct 31) every week.

Each plot was essentially a system of trails and 10 small clearing sampling stations marked by rebar in the riparian and adjacent forest habitat. Aside: Several times folks thought the plots were old pot grows and moved in in early Spring before the birders. lol If anyone is familiar with this project, I am referring to the CAMP and LADY plots (this is the edit).

Conclusion: These two stations are among the most productive sites in northwestern California. The juxtaposition of the river riparian forest with agriculture lands seems to provide an optimum mix of habitat for many species of birds. It is likely to be essential for maintaining this diversity of birds, that the present mix of habitats be maintained and or enhanced. If at all possible, an increase in the area of riparian forest would the most positive impact overall, especially the the endangered listed species, the Willow Flycatcher's exceptionally high use.

Note: the 4 paragraphs about are a distillation from a private Ralph and Hollinger report that are public record as part of CA Timber Harvest Plan I filed and logged in 2001.

In 2002 a fire set in the area Karuk World Renewal Ceremony / pichi 'avich dance area jumped the creek and burned black the most avian diverse plot of any of the system of plots established under the project in the Klamath Basin in CA and OR. I had just made a leisurely trip from Redding and down the Salmon River with a gf only to see a mass of USFS, Karuk, and Humboldt Sheriff's vehicles on my property plus a bunch of smoke. They let me drive through (because they knew me) only to meet up with a Karuk DNR employee watching the fire that said it was a "good thing" and then kicked me off my own property after I told him essentially he was an idiot. I went to the Humboldt Deputy and asked the young man be removed. About an hour later the Karuk DNR manager brought the man back and introduced us and had him apologize to me.

Since the end of the Jessie short case and division of the Hoopa Reservation into a Hupa and Yurok Reservations and recognition of the Karuk Tribe there has been amazing improvement in the housing, health, education, employment for the Indian People' s. Alas, there is much croneyism, ugly politics, and I am certain other crimes have been committed with the Tribes even if this crime is dis-proved. TMI.
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