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I think many of us would love this whole nation to go much farther to the left

if it meant that a big majority of the people would follow
happily in that direction.

Growing up through the sixties & seventies, my perspective
is that when you pull hard to the left, too fast, there's an
equal and opposite effect; I'm sure it has something to
do with physics; it gives fuel to the opposing powers;
misunderstanding and rancor flourish; the center can not hold.

Many good honest and well-meaning people still associate the
"left" with the bomb-building activists and tripping hippies of
the sixties (I was one), the dissing of American soldiers who
had gone to Vietnam, vilification of the military in general, I
did that, I moved to Canada, I said fuck you to my parents'
values and their world, with absolutely no love or respect for
them, or what they'd been through. I'm pretty sure I wasn't
an exception; and there were wounds on both sides that
still haven't healed.

There was a vast ocean of misunderstanding between generations
and cultures. The South was vilified, maybe rightfully politically, but
socially it was so wrong, it turned a whole culture conservative, is
(ONLY) my opinion.

Obama's point of view, I am very sure (because he's said it outright),
is that we are all American citizens, we all deserve a voice and for
our point of view to be heard, for there to be healthy debate between
cultures and political rivals. He seeks stability and balance, wisdom
and progress. He has a hopeful view of humanity. He is working as
hard as he can. How do you think any one of us would be doing in his
place?

If the far left is disappointed, then what do you think would
please them? and how will you help make that happen?
Posted by Voice for Peace | Wed Sep 10, 2014, 08:40 PM (0 replies)

I am fine with your suggestion, if it were to turn out that way, and not incarceration.

Better even that the punishment should fit the crime, ie
the perpetrators have to undergo what they made the
victim undergo, in addition to community service.

Except tenfold. Ten buckets on each of their heads of
the foulest sewage available. Public humiliation of some
kind, such that their crime is visible to all. I agree
that a stern talking to or wag of the finger is pointless.

But how do you make someone understand what they
have done? Such that they truly understand, and feel
authentic regret?

Punishment rarely is effective in that regard. It just makes
people better at hiding their crimes. Liars become better
liars. The potential for rehabilitation has to compete with
the natural urge to retaliate against the one who punishes,
or authority in general.

The punished don't usually learn how it feels to be their
victim. That's what's needed, for them to know how it
feels.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:42 PM (0 replies)

People made a big mistake with their expectations.

So many people I've talked to express bitterness and cynicism
about hope and change the slogan.

People for some reason thought it was Obama who was going
to provide the hope and the change. Well that ain't how it
works, folks.

The hope is there, innate in all of us. And we are the ones
who have to make the changes. Obama never said he could
or would do it for us. Yet people are disappointed. Well,
disappointment is the guaranteed product of unrealistic
expectations.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Wed Sep 10, 2014, 02:06 PM (4 replies)

How I processed it, is that every human being was once an innocent young child.

Through circumstances and/or choices people lose touch with
that innocence in themselves. But it remains, at the core of
every living person. Kittens will trigger that feeling in anyone.

And I would think that, living a life of such darkness and
madness, even by choice -- a person would still have a profound
hunger for just a speck of innocence and love.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:58 PM (0 replies)

this is so wonderful.

Flash mobs always choke me up, in a good way.
There is so much joy inside of people. Always
waiting for a chance to come out, to push through
the sadness and anger that sits on top of it, hides
and smothers it.

Human beings. Dancing, breathing! We were born
for joy, I am sure.

Posted by Voice for Peace | Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:20 PM (1 replies)

Misogyny, racism, homophobia all have the same root.

I think it's essential to understand this if we want to
progress as a humanity.

What is that root? It is ignorance.
All hate springs from ignorance,
compounded by misinformation.

I have the impression that people think it should not be the
responsibility of minorities to educate racists; or feminists
to educate misogynists; or gay men and women to educate
homophobes; is this a correct impression?

In my experience,
the only thing
that can remove ignorance
is knowledge.

Once in a blue moon anger will get through; every so often
a battle is won by force, and necessarily so. But the real work,
lasting long term, is education. Help people turn on the lights,
so they can see for themselves.

The ones already educated -- who understand
issues deeply thoroughly and personally -- are
in my opinion the only ones qualified to educate
others about these issues.

Without being issue-specific, I have often felt this way:

Help me!! Help me to understand! I do not WANT to be XYZ, I can not see myself, HELP ME understand
what you see, and how I/we can move past it.


Sadly too often the response has been unfriendly and disheartening, like Fuck you if you don't already
understand.


Two teachers, one classroom of students.
One teacher resorts to anger, shaming, insults;
the other uses kindness, humor, tolerance,
forgiveness, an occasional ROAR when needed.

Love is powerful. So is Humility.

Kindness is SUPER-powerful; it
can totally disarm assholes, who
generally are stumped for a response.

Listening & Understanding are Superpowers.
They allow you to see into the other person, and
to find loopholes, weak spots in their ignorance.

Forgiveness is also a superpower which, when used
appropriately and at the right times, can help
prevent illnesses brought on by anger, stress.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:12 PM (0 replies)

Those quotes make my heart ache. It's a tug, really, not a pain.

Our real power is love. We mustn't try to make it live by
our rules. Sometimes Love rises up like a lion and roars,
and moves mountains.

The rest of the time it's teaching, guiding, strengthening,
encouraging, growing, nourishing, creating, transforming,
evolving, sustaining, balancing, rejuvenating, digesting & resting.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Sat Aug 30, 2014, 01:33 PM (0 replies)

It's easy to get misunderstood here, or else I express myself poorly.

I'm not a fan of him or his policies, and I don't know enough
specifics to inform others. I am talking about the superficial
impressions of many young people who aren't terribly
informed politically, to whom Paul has an appeal because
of his "apparent" stands on issues that matter to them.

I can pass along links and so on to a few of them, but I
think it's worth a concerted effort on the part of progressives
and/or the democratic party to understand the libertarian
appeal to the young. They do not think of it as Republican,
they think of it as less authority.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Tue Aug 26, 2014, 01:55 PM (0 replies)

Speaking of shellfish, I understand that's the foundation for the greedy policies

of the right. Shellfishness, which may come from eating
bad shellfish, or an hereditary bad gene; anyhow.

The unshellfish ones will win in the end, since they did
not eat from the oily Gulf; the leeks shall inherit the
earth, but I'm not sure what else.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Mon Aug 25, 2014, 10:54 PM (1 replies)

If anyone dares to point out that RP has some sane thoughts regarding

warmongering, civil liberties, war on drugs, etc., they are
attacked here as a Rand Paul troll.

My point of view, having listened to many young people
in recent months -- not those who've been active Obama
supporters, but their peers, far and wide: they find these
issues compelling; they also are sick of both political
parties in general and lean "libertarian." I will point out
there are vast numbers of them. They may be poorly
educated about politics but they're a force.

Posters who express this sort of thing are not promoting
Rand Paul, but suggesting Hillary may have some serious
competition, if she's the candidate, because of these
particular issues.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Mon Aug 25, 2014, 09:22 PM (2 replies)
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