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The never-ending discussion regarding DGU’s is again the subject of a recent article in POLITICAL MAGAZINE. Over time most has been said before but I thought this a good read and summary of the subject.

The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership. Guns are more likely to do harm than good. By EVAN DEFILIPPIS and DEVIN HUGHES January 14, 2015
“Despite having nearly no academic support in public health literature, this myth is the single largest motivation behind gun ownership. It traces its origin to a two-decade-old series of surveys that, despite being thoroughly repudiated at the time, persists in influencing personal safety decisions and public policy throughout the United States….. The spurious conclusions in these surveys don’t just distort the pro-gun community’s perception of defensive gun use. For example, the claim that millions every year shoot their guns in self-defense has led some to posit that there are more defensive gun uses than criminal uses. This assertion is inexplicable—not backed by any substantive evidence…… You might hear gun advocates substantiate this claim by comparing inflated survey numbers like Kleck’s with NCVS crime numbers. But defensive gun use surveys and the NCVS use different methodologies. To compare those two data sets is to break one of the most important laws of statistical analysis: You must always compare likes to likes. And indeed, comparing NCVS results to NCVS results yields a very different picture—that more than 9 times as many people are victimized by guns than protected by them. Respondents in two Harvard surveys had more than 3 times as many offensive gun uses against them as defensive gun uses.”
More at site.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/01/defensive-gun-ownership-myth-114262_Page2.html#ixzz3UIJNLyYT


Gun violence is more than just deaths.

Gun violence is more than just deaths. To only consider deaths in a discussion about gun violence is to ignore the majority of the gun violence. WISQARS provides information of value in grasping a perspective on the epidemic that is gun violence. For example if you were to seek to determine how many victims who were assaulted with firearms and injured seriously enough to be transferred to another facility (e.g., trauma center, rehabilitation unit); and hospitalized. You would be excluding those with minor injury who were treated and released from hospital emergency departments. Your data would also exclude suicides, accidents, legal intervention, and even the undetermined even though those ARE gun violence. What kind of numbers would you generate? The rates? Decreasing, Increasing or no change? The data is available from 2001 through 2013.
Firearm Gunshot Nonfatal Injuries and Rates http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/nonfatal.html .

Assault Firearm Gunshot Nonfatal Injuries and Rates per 100,000
2001 - 2013, United States All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages Disposition: Transferred/Hospitalized
2001 20,844 7.31
2013 37,311 11.80
Change number + 79% rate +61%
In this century from 2001 to 2013 (the most recent statistics available) nonfatal assaults with firearms have increased SEVENTY NINE percent!

A definition from my Microsoft Word research; ep·i·dem·ic, adjective, happening a lot and affecting many people. eg In some cities, drug use has reached epidemic proportions.

A Lott of Lies

Shooting Down the Gun Lobby’s Favorite “Academic”: A Lott of Lies Posted On December 1, 2014
Today the “more guns, less crime” hypothesis has been thoroughly repudiated. On closer inspection his impressive credentials reveal an academic nomad, never able to secure a place in academia. His ethical transgressions range from accusations of fabricating an entire survey, to presenting faulty regressions, to creating elaborate online personas to defend his work and bash critics, to trying to revise his online history to deflect arguments. And this doesn’t even begin to cover the whole host of false claims and statistics he has peddled repeatedly in articles and TV appearances…………..Lott’s work is filled with bizarre results that are inconsistent with established facts in criminology…………While in isolation this case could be chalked up as merely a lapse of internet etiquette, when seen in context with the rest of Lott’s sordid history it further highlights a continuing pattern of dishonesty………….In his more recent work Lott has become a perpetual misinformation machine…………..Time and time again Lott has abused his academic credentials to peddle falsehoods. Instead of soberly presenting evidence, and letting the research speak for itself, Lott instead authored his own fan-base, fabricated evidence, manipulated models, mischaracterized data, and then attempted to bulldoze anybody that dared question the authenticity of his research…………………..

Armed woman conducting garage sale, robbed, beaten

and shot with her defensive weapon.

TULSA, Oklahoma - Tulsa Police arrested a 19-year-old Tulsa woman they say beat and robbed a woman holding a garage sale in north Tulsa on Saturday, November 29, 2014. Police arrested Allicia Baily Love near the home in the 1600 block of North Evanston Avenue, after the victim was shot in a struggle. Officers say Love and a man went to the garage sale and robbed the woman who lived there, taking about $200 in cash ............When the robbers let her up, police say the victim took a handgun from her back waistband and pointed it at them. The man grabbed the gun and struggled with the victim. Two shots were fired, one striking the victim in the hand, the report states. http://www.newson6.com/story/27509575/tulsa-woman-arrested-in-shooting-robbery-at-garage-sale

Georgia Man Shoots and Kills Driver Who Mistakenly Pulled Into His Driveway . . .

Allowed To Plead To A Single Misdemeanor With No Jail Time and A $500 Fine.

Diaz appears to have pulled into the wrong driveway while following a mistaken GPS in January 2013. He was trying to find the driveway of his friend across the street to go roller-skating. When Sailors saw a strange car, he came out shooting: firing once in the air and once through the windshield of the car. The second round struck Diaz in the head.
There was evidence that Diaz was pulling out of the driveway when Sailor killed him. The family did sue Sailors and there was a settlement. It is not clear if that settlement influenced the family’s position on sentencing.

Saturday Nite Live

It’s been a while since I’ve heard myself actually laugh out loud during a SNL broadcast. Jim Carey has pushed them into another level. The Lincoln commercial parodies, the office Halloween costume contest each seem to reach territory not seen for a long time.

We’re number 1, We’re number 1, We’re……………

When it comes to violence and preparations for violence, the United States is, indeed, No. 1……the U.S. government accounted for 37 percent of world military expenditures…………putting it far ahead of all other nations. (The two closest competitors, China and Russia, accounted for 11 percent and 5 percent respectively.) This record is paralleled on the domestic front, where the United States has more guns and higher gun-related death rates than any of the leading 27 economically developed countries surveyed. http://truth-out.org/news/item/26905-the-united-states-is-number-one-but-in-what

Unintentionally shot & killed 4% of unintentionally shot.

Insofar as the discussion of accidental shootings, the 600 deaths are an extraordinarily miniscule example of the scope of this problem. In 2011 there were another 14,600 unintentionally shot, meaning the 600 represent less than 4% of the total accidentally shot. To describe the extent of the problem by referencing the “only 600 or so deaths” ignores 96% of accidental shootings.

Fax is fax

The OP about a shooting (by gun) death in the Gun Control & RKBA (Group)
In response to a post that accurately notes there are there are 30K shooting deaths a year, yet another gun enthusiast deems it appropriate to post that since 19k of the shooting deaths are suicides the 30,000 figure is a false equivalence? There are 30,000 shooting deaths from firearms, period. It is a truth, a fact as best we can determine, there is nothing false about it.
Later a fact is presented that there are “88,000 alcohol deaths each year”. The National Vital Statistics Reports http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdfis a reputable source that provides us with the statistic that shows that there were 25,692 deaths in 2010 that were categorized as Alcohol-induced causes. There were 26,654 in 2011.
Later yet another gun enthusiast states that fire has been around longer than guns and takes far more lives annually………….
In 2010, fire departments responded to 384,000 home fires in the United States, which claimed the lives of 2,640 people (not including firefighters) ….. http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/fire-prevention/fires-factsheet.html Also, fires resulted in 3,240 civilian fire fatalities in 2013 says the National Fire Protection Association http://www.nfpa.org/research/reports-and-statistics/fires-in-the-us/overall-fire-problem/fire-loss-in-the-united-states.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627317 Jimmy nailed it.

I hope this post is viewable.

Comedy takes on the NRA, by Jim Jefferies

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Crossposted from Video & Multimedia forum, OP from zebonaut
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