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Like 'reasonable' terror suspect lists? The ones *you* were against before you were for them?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3031131#3032492

baldguy Sun Jan-30-05 09:31 PM

25. People are harassed, investigated & arrested for their political beliefs.

Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 09:34 PM by baldguy
Held anonymously without charge, trial, or communication with the outside world.

The President's press secretary says that people should watch what they say, or else - and the press is too afraid to say anything.

People are prevented from traveling freely because they are on a gov't list.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=431371&mesg_id=431380

baldguy Donating Member Sat Jun-25-11 03:18 PM

4. The TSA's No-Fly list is entirely different than the FBI's Terrorist Watch List.

Trying to conflate the two is RW propaganda.



Are you laboring under the impression there's some other Michael Bloomberg? Because the one I've been reading about here
at DU doesn't seem all that "progressive" to me:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117224594

...Bloomie's a man of many parts, it seems. Do you know he has his own army?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5076002

Mayor Bloomberg: 'I Have My Own Private Army' (in NYPD)

Source: PolitickerNY

Mayor Bloomberg: ‘I Have My Own Army’

By Hunter Walker 10:06am

In a speech at MIT last night to discuss the packed sweepstakes to build a tech campus in New York City, Mayor Bloomberg said he prefers City Hall to the White House. Almost immediately after Mayor Bloomberg dampened recent speculation he’s eyeing a White House bid, he added fuel to the fire by explaining why a mayor would be the best person for the job.

Mayor Bloomberg’s recent criticism of President Obama for allowing the debt reduction Supercommittee to fail led many political tea leaf watchers to believe he’s eyeing a potential White House bid. To the dismay of those who hope he’ll mount presidential campaign, Mayor Bloomberg began his speech last night by discussing why City Hall is just fine by him.

“I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world. I have my own State Department, much to Foggy Bottom’s annoyance. We have the United Nations in New York, and so we have an entree into the diplomatic world that Washington does not have,” Mayor Bloomberg said....


http://www.politicker.com/2011/11/30/mayor-bloomberg-i-have-my-own-army-11-30-11/


And what has "his" army been doing? Why, investigating people for their political beliefs!- a practice you used to decry...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002461812

NYPD Infiltrated and Spied on Liberal Groups

Last edited Fri Mar 23, 2012, 04:18 PM USA/ET

The AP (via CBS) notes that undercover cops went to liberal political groups' meetings, building intel files on activists and protesters.

The newswire says that interviews and docs collected during the investigation "show how police have used counterterrorism tactics to monitor even lawful activities."

The AP points out that the NYPD used these same tactics in 2004, when the department monitored church, environmental, and anti-war groups in the U.S., claiming these policies were necessary to prep for the GOP convention.

But these methods continued far after the convention took place: in 2008, the NYPD's super-secret intel department sent an undercover officer to attend the People's Summit in New Orleans. The project report gathered information on two U.S. activists, journalist Jordan Flaherty and labor organizer Marisa Franco, the AP notes....

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/nypd_spied_on_l.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57403085/docs-show-nypd-infiltrated-liberal-groups/?tag=contentMain;contentBody



http://www.democraticunderground.com/101480663

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101481530


So how long have we been at war with Eastasia, again?


Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:32 PM (1 replies)

Word! Amazing the number of people that want to control others' rights, and then act hurt...

...when the 'others' do the same unto them...
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:02 PM (0 replies)

Question for DUers: Do you hate the NRA so much you'll ally with Michael Bloomberg?

Note: This is a repost from GD, where it was locked. Unsurprisingly there were a few replies in the affirmative

I'll state right off the bat that I'm not thrilled with the NRA personally, because I'm about 90% sure that despite their proclaimed non-
partisan stance, they are in fact a right-wing political movement with a big gun club, like I stated here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117222584

"Why I'm not going to rejoin the NRA just yet."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117222584#post50

"No point in donating money to people that piss on the President, while accepting Mitt's AWB."

I'd like to see if they go into the tank for Mittens when it comes to edorsement time. However, they are not the only big money
players in the world of gun control politics-in fact they may not even be the biggest. That 'honor' just might belong to His Honor, Michael Bloomberg.

Yep, Mayor 0.1% may be the richest player in gun control politics, thanks to his billions and his founding, financing, and co-chairmanship
of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. They have a website (with videos of Da Mayah, of course) at:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/home/home.shtml

So, what has our man Mike been up to lately? A few examples:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101476176

Mayor Bloomberg says ‘piling on’ of Goldman Sachs is ‘ridiculous’
Source: NY Daily News

BY TINA MOORE

Mayor Bloomberg defended a battered Goldman Sachs on Friday, saying that he thinks "this piling on is ridiculous."

Hizzoner said that he stopped by the investment bank Thursday to show his support after a former employee trashed the firm in a "nasty letter" to a newspaper.

The mayor brushed off the letter writer Greg Smith’s allegations that workers called customers "muppets" to be manipulated for profit.

"I don't know whoever said what," Bloomberg said on WOR Radio's John Gambling Show.

"But even if it was said, it's a few people and, you know, Goldman Sachs is a firm that's been around for well over a hundred years and it's a great firm.”...



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002433100

Go 99%ers !!! - 'Mayor Bloomberg Proudly Stands With Goldman Sachs' - FDL

Mayor Bloomberg Proudly Stands With Goldman Sachs
By: Jon Walker - FDL
Friday March 16, 2012 9:48 am

<snip>

Apparently Mayor Michael Bloomberg thinks one of the world’s most powerful corporations needs to be protected from a single former mid-level employee saying mean things about it. From Bloomberg Businessweek:

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg visited Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS)’s headquarters in Manhattan in a show of support after a departing employee publicly criticized the firm’s culture yesterday.

The mayor stopped by to make clear that the company is a vital part of the city’s economy, and the kind of unfair attacks that we’re seeing can eventually hurt all New Yorkers,” said Stu Loeser, a spokesman for the mayor.

The most amazing thing to me about Greg Smith’s resignation letter from Goldman Sachs is not his actual criticisms, most of them are relatively old news for a company known as the ‘vampire squid,’ but the intensity of the often bizarre wagon-circling by the financial elites in Goldman Sach’s defense. The quantity of people choosing to publicly support Goldman at this moment with some truly pathetic defenses is significant. There seems to be some actual fear that this one op-ed could do some real damage to Wall Street...



Bloomie's a man of many parts, it seems. Do you know he has his own army?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5076002

Mayor Bloomberg: 'I Have My Own Private Army' (in NYPD)

Source: PolitickerNY

Mayor Bloomberg: ‘I Have My Own Army’

By Hunter Walker 10:06am

In a speech at MIT last night to discuss the packed sweepstakes to build a tech campus in New York City, Mayor Bloomberg said he prefers City Hall to the White House. Almost immediately after Mayor Bloomberg dampened recent speculation he’s eyeing a White House bid, he added fuel to the fire by explaining why a mayor would be the best person for the job.

Mayor Bloomberg’s recent criticism of President Obama for allowing the debt reduction Supercommittee to fail led many political tea leaf watchers to believe he’s eyeing a potential White House bid. To the dismay of those who hope he’ll mount presidential campaign, Mayor Bloomberg began his speech last night by discussing why City Hall is just fine by him.

“I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world. I have my own State Department, much to Foggy Bottom’s annoyance. We have the United Nations in New York, and so we have an entree into the diplomatic world that Washington does not have,” Mayor Bloomberg said....


http://www.politicker.com/2011/11/30/mayor-bloomberg-i-have-my-own-army-11-30-11/


Man, it's good to be a billionaire, isn't it? You can have your underlings keep track of those pesky subversives for you.
Wouldn't wan't them to cause your buds at Goldman Sachs any trouble, would we?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002461812

NYPD Infiltrated and Spied on Liberal Groups

Last edited Fri Mar 23, 2012, 04:18 PM USA/ET

The AP (via CBS) notes that undercover cops went to liberal political groups' meetings, building intel files on activists and protesters.

The newswire says that interviews and docs collected during the investigation "show how police have used counterterrorism tactics to monitor even lawful activities."

The AP points out that the NYPD used these same tactics in 2004, when the department monitored church, environmental, and anti-war groups in the U.S., claiming these policies were necessary to prep for the GOP convention.

But these methods continued far after the convention took place: in 2008, the NYPD's super-secret intel department sent an undercover officer to attend the People's Summit in New Orleans. The project report gathered information on two U.S. activists, journalist Jordan Flaherty and labor organizer Marisa Franco, the AP notes....

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/nypd_spied_on_l.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57403085/docs-show-nypd-infiltrated-liberal-groups/?tag=contentMain;contentBody



http://www.democraticunderground.com/101480663

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101481530

So if you're going to dislike the NRA because of its seamy political allies, be careful you don't acquire a few of your own...




Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:10 PM (91 replies)

Question for DUers: Do you hate the NRA so much you'll ally with Michael Bloomberg?

I'll state right off the bat that I'm not thrilled with the NRA personally, because I'm about 90% sure that despite their proclaimed non-
partisan stance, they are in fact a right-wing political movement with a bitchin gun club, like I stated here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117222584

"Why I'm not going to rejoin the NRA just yet."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117222584#post50

"No point in donating money to people that piss on the President, while accepting Mitt's AWB."

I'd like to see if they go into the tank for Mittens when it comes to edorsement time. However, they are not the only big money
players in the world of gun control politics-in fact they may not even be the biggest. That 'honor' might belong to His Honor, Michael Bloomberg.

Yep, Mayor 0.1% just might be the richest player in gun control politics, thanks to his billions and his founding, financing, and co-chairmanship
of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. They have a website (with videos of Da Mayah, of course) at:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/home/home.shtml

So, what has our man Mike been up to lately? A few examples:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101476176

Mayor Bloomberg says ‘piling on’ of Goldman Sachs is ‘ridiculous’
Source: NY Daily News

BY TINA MOORE

Mayor Bloomberg defended a battered Goldman Sachs on Friday, saying that he thinks "this piling on is ridiculous."

Hizzoner said that he stopped by the investment bank Thursday to show his support after a former employee trashed the firm in a "nasty letter" to a newspaper.

The mayor brushed off the letter writer Greg Smith’s allegations that workers called customers "muppets" to be manipulated for profit.

"I don't know whoever said what," Bloomberg said on WOR Radio's John Gambling Show.

"But even if it was said, it's a few people and, you know, Goldman Sachs is a firm that's been around for well over a hundred years and it's a great firm.”...



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002433100

Go 99%ers !!! - 'Mayor Bloomberg Proudly Stands With Goldman Sachs' - FDL

Mayor Bloomberg Proudly Stands With Goldman Sachs
By: Jon Walker - FDL
Friday March 16, 2012 9:48 am

<snip>

Apparently Mayor Michael Bloomberg thinks one of the world’s most powerful corporations needs to be protected from a single former mid-level employee saying mean things about it. From Bloomberg Businessweek:

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg visited Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS)’s headquarters in Manhattan in a show of support after a departing employee publicly criticized the firm’s culture yesterday.

“The mayor stopped by to make clear that the company is a vital part of the city’s economy, and the kind of unfair attacks that we’re seeing can eventually hurt all New Yorkers,” said Stu Loeser, a spokesman for the mayor.

The most amazing thing to me about Greg Smith’s resignation letter from Goldman Sachs is not his actual criticisms, most of them are relatively old news for a company known as the ‘vampire squid,’ but the intensity of the often bizarre wagon-circling by the financial elites in Goldman Sach’s defense. The quantity of people choosing to publicly support Goldman at this moment with some truly pathetic defenses is significant. There seems to be some actual fear that this one op-ed could do some real damage to Wall Street.


Bloomie's a man of many parts, it seems. Do you know he has his own army?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5076002

Mayor Bloomberg: 'I Have My Own Private Army' (in NYPD)

Source: PolitickerNY

Mayor Bloomberg: ‘I Have My Own Army’

By Hunter Walker 10:06am

In a speech at MIT last night to discuss the packed sweepstakes to build a tech campus in New York City, Mayor Bloomberg said he prefers City Hall to the White House. Almost immediately after Mayor Bloomberg dampened recent speculation he’s eyeing a White House bid, he added fuel to the fire by explaining why a mayor would be the best person for the job.

Mayor Bloomberg’s recent criticism of President Obama for allowing the debt reduction Supercommittee to fail led many political tea leaf watchers to believe he’s eyeing a potential White House bid. To the dismay of those who hope he’ll mount presidential campaign, Mayor Bloomberg began his speech last night by discussing why City Hall is just fine by him.

“I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world. I have my own State Department, much to Foggy Bottom’s annoyance. We have the United Nations in New York, and so we have an entree into the diplomatic world that Washington does not have,” Mayor Bloomberg said....

http://www.politicker.com/2011/11/30/mayor-bloomberg-i-have-my-own-army-11-30-11/


Man, it's good to be a billionaire, isn't it? You can have your underlings keep track of those pesky subversives for you.
Wouldn't wan't them to cause your buds at Goldman Sachs any trouble, would we?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002461812

NYPD Infiltrated and Spied on Liberal Groups

Last edited Fri Mar 23, 2012, 04:18 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
The AP (via CBS) notes that undercover cops went to liberal political groups' meetings, building intel files on activists and protesters.

The newswire says that interviews and docs collected during the investigation "show how police have used counterterrorism tactics to monitor even lawful activities."

The AP points out that the NYPD used these same tactics in 2004, when the department monitored church, environmental, and anti-war groups in the U.S., claiming these policies were necessary to prep for the GOP convention.

But these methods continued far after the convention took place: in 2008, the NYPD's super-secret intel department sent an undercover officer to attend the People's Summit in New Orleans. The project report gathered information on two U.S. activists, journalist Jordan Flaherty and labor organizer Marisa Franco, the AP notes.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/nypd_spied_on_l.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57403085/docs-show-nypd-infiltrated-liberal-groups/?tag=contentMain;contentBody


http://www.democraticunderground.com/101480663

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101481530

So if you're going to dislike the NRA because of its seamy political allies, be careful you don't acquire a few of your own...



Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:39 PM (35 replies)

I suspect a few antis would rather Martin's family go without justice...

...if it helped in the fight against the SYG law. A "small sacrifice", as it were...
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:49 PM (0 replies)

A bold claim- with some justification

http://articles.boston.com/2012-03-21/opinion/31215570_1_gun-ban-ban-handguns-heller-decision

Jeff Jacoby
March 21, 2012


THE COLORADO Supreme Court put some noses out of joint when it ruled unanimously this month that the University of Colorado’s campus gun ban violated a 2003 state law that entitles residents with permits to carry concealed weapons.

One of those noses belonged to Abraham Nowels, a University of Colorado student who wrote to the Denver Post: “We’re in the middle of midterms right now, and I can’t think of anything I’d rather be focusing on than which of my fellow over-stressed, binge-drinking peers is carrying a concealed weapon into class with me.’’ The Post agreed, pleading in an editorial for “legislators with enough gumption’’ to change the state’s concealed-carry law and “give colleges the power they need to keep students safe.’’...

...While the University of Colorado spent much of the past decade resisting the state’s concealed-carry law, Colorado State University complied with it. If the gun controllers are right, Colorado State should have seen a surge in crime, while its gun-banning sister institution should have been an Eden of security and lawfulness. That’s not what happened. As Clayton E. Cramer and David Burnett write in a new monograph for the Cato Institute, “crime at the University of Colorado has risen 35 percent since 2004, while crime at Colorado State University has dropped 60 percent in the same time frame.’’

Something similar happened after the US Supreme Court’s 2008 Heller decision striking down a gun ban in Washington, DC. The city’s mayor predicted in dismay that “more handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence,’’ yet crime in the nation’s capital plunged. Murder nose-dived to its lowest rate in half a century, falling from 186 in 2008 to 144 in 2009 to 132 in 2010 to 108 in 2011...



www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/WP-Tough-Targets.pdf

p.45

http://police.colorado.edu/uniform-crime-reports

http://police.colostate.edu/pages/clery-act.aspx

http://police.colostate.edu/pdfs/2011-Safety-Report.pdf

p.55


Added on edit:
In before the genetic fallacy gets dredged up...
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Thu Mar 22, 2012, 05:40 PM (12 replies)

UPDATE: U.S. Department of Justice, FBI and FDLE to probe Trayvon Martin killing

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/19/2703029/us-department-of-justice-fbi-and.html

U.S. Department of Justice, FBI and FDLE to probe Trayvon Martin killing
By Frances Robles The Miami Herald
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

The U.S. Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division and the FBI will investigate the killing of Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch volunteer, the department announced late Monday.

The announcement coincided with a statement from Florida Gov. Rick Scott asking the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to offer “appropriate resources” in the case.

The federal and state agencies are intervening in what attorneys call a botched investigation into the killing of the Michael Krop Senior High School student, who was killed Feb. 26 in Sanford, a town of 55,000 just north of Orlando. Trayvon, 17, on suspension from school, was staying at his father’s girlfriend’s house when he walked to a nearby a 7-Eleven store to buy candy and iced tea.

George Zimmerman, 28, a neighborhood watch volunteer with a long history of calling in everything from open garage doors to “suspicious characters,” called police to say he had spotted someone who looked drugged, was walking too slowly in the rain, and appeared to be looking at people’s houses. Zimmerman sounded alarmed because the stranger had his hand in his waistband and held something in his other hand...


You know something's rotten in the state of Florida when even Slick Rick Scott steps in...
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Tue Mar 20, 2012, 01:00 AM (0 replies)

Why I'm not going to rejoin the NRA just yet.

I'm waiting to see if they actually are the non-partisan supporters of the Second Amendment they claim to be. If they are, their only honest course of action
in a Rmoney/Obama race will be to withold any endorsement. If they do go into the tank for Willard, they're no more than a better-financed version of the
Second Amendment Foundation.

Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Mon Mar 19, 2012, 02:09 PM (96 replies)

FLASHBACK: Fox News On Gas Prices In 2008



My my, how different their line was back when the shoe was on the other foot...
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Wed Mar 7, 2012, 03:57 AM (9 replies)

Canadian long gun registry to be abolished next week

Bill C-19, which abolishes Canada's registry of long guns and mandates the destruction of records of previously registered firearms, has passed its
second reading in the Senate and will be taken up for the third and final time at 2:00 PM Tuesday. After that, it will be presented for royal assent
(which is automatic) and will then become law. Yea Canada!
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:00 PM (7 replies)
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