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Gun control advocates are lying to us again. Color me unsurprised

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/14/more-guns-more-crime-new-research-debunks-a-central-thesis-of-the-gun-rights-movement/

More guns, more crime: New research debunks a central thesis of the gun rights movement


http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/november/donohue-guns-study-111414.html


Now, Donohue and his colleagues have shown that extending the data yet another decade (1999-2010) provides the most convincing evidence to date that right-to-carry laws are associated with an increase in violent crime.

"The totality of the evidence based on educated judgments about the best statistical models suggests that right-to-carry laws are associated with substantially higher rates" of aggravated assault, rape, robbery and murder, said Donohue.

The strongest evidence was for aggravated assault, with data suggesting that right-to-carry (RTC) laws increase this crime by an estimated 8 percent – and this may actually be understated, according to the researchers.

"Our analysis of the year-by-year impact of RTC laws also suggests that RTC laws increase aggravated assaults," they wrote.


The murder rate increased in the states with existing right-to-carry laws for the period 1999-2010 when the "confounding influence" of the crack cocaine epidemic is controlled for. The study found that homicides increased in eight states that adopted right-to-carry laws during 1999-2010.


Let's just see about that, shall we?

First off, the crime statistics are obtained from the FBI's "Crime In The United States"
reports, and rates are per 100,000 inhabitants:

1999

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/1999/table5_state99.xls

2010

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl05.xls

M = Murder and non-negligent homicide
AA = Aggravated assault

The first number is the 1999 rate, the second the 2010 rate

The following states are the eight that passed shall-issue laws in the period 1999-2010
The disinterested reader will notice that there was only *one* increase
in aggravated assault rates and *one* increase in murder rates, in two different states.


Passed 1999-2010

Colorado

M 4.6 2.4
AA 219.2 212.4


Minnesota

M 2.8 1.8
AA 146.5 136.4

Missouri

M 6.6 7.0
AA 336.6 321.7

Kansas

M 6.0 3.5
AA 259.5 272.1

Michigan
M 7.0 5.7
AA 375.7 321.0

Nebraska

M 3.6 3.0
AA 325.9 183.6


New Mexico

M 9.8 6.9
AA 622.2 457.1

Wyoming
M 2.3 1.4
AA 186.0 151.9


I think this tells us all we need to know about John Donahue and those that
tout his 'findings'...








Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:16 PM (67 replies)

More attempted turd-polishing from gun controllers

Also posted at GCRA, but reposted here for some non-"amen chorus" discussion:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120236/2014-midterms-boosted-gun-control-and-hurt-nra

Republicans Won the Midterms. The NRA Did Not.


For example, note what's buried amidst the happytalk glurge in this paragraph:


And it wasn’t just the governors. Remember the successful recall in September 2013 of two Colorado state senators who had voted for the comprehensive gun-law reforms in that state? That victory for gun-rights supporters was taken as yet further proof that the gun control movement was incapable of protecting its allies, and was doomed to failure. I argued at the time that this reading overlooked the flukish nature of the recall—a special vote two months before election day in which Coloradans would not be able to vote by mail, as many are accustomed to doing, just the sort of low-turnout contest that favored the highly motivated minority of gun-rights activists in the state. And look at what happened last week: even in a big Republican year, when Republicans won the majority of the Colorado state senate, the Democrats won back both of those recalled seats with candidates who favor sensible gun laws—including one candidate who used to be employed by Bloomberg's previous group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns. With the election back on conventional terms, with the moderately good turnout of a regular midterm election, the ardent gun-rights minority in those districts was swamped by the broader mass of voters.


"Yeah, we got...back to where we started in two districts and lost overall-but it's a VICTORY!"

Yeesh...



Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:45 PM (17 replies)

The Democratic Party Has Become General Motors Circa 1999

As evidence, I offer...the Pontiac Aztek:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Aztek

In case you're wondering if I've totally gone off the beam-after seeing the recent election debacle, I remembered this interview last month in Road and Track with auto industry bigwig Bob Lutz

I found the parallels striking...

http://www.roadandtrack.com/voices/columnists/bob-lutz/bob-lutz-tells-the-inside-story-of-the-pontiac-aztek-debacle


How Bad Cars Happen: The Pontiac Aztek debacle

Bob Lutz on the dangers of totalitarian management.
By Bob Lutz October 10, 2014

The guy in charge of product development was Don Hackworth, an old-school guy from the tradition of shouts, browbeating, and by-God-I-want-it-done. He said, "Look. We've all made up our minds that the Aztek is gonna be a winner. It's gonna astound the world. I don't want any negative comments about this vehicle. None. Anybody who has bad opinions about it, I want them off the team." As if the public is gonna give a sh** about team spirit.


Blaming the (non)voters/buyers? Yep, there's some of that too...


Early on, the Aztek obviously failed the market research. But in those days, GM went ahead with quite a few vehicles that failed product clinics. The Aztek didn't just fail—it scored dead last. Rock bottom. Respondents said, "Can they possibly be serious with this thing? I wouldn't take it as a gift." And the GM machine was in such denial that it rejected the research and just said, "What do those a**holes know?"...

The danger with the totalitarian management style is that people won't speak up when there's a problem. They'll get their heads cut off or the messenger gets shot...


That last line sound familiar to anyone else?

One guy I informally interviewed about how the Aztek happened was one of the top guys on the project. And this guy, he looks at me and he says, "I'm proud of it." Proud of the Aztek? "Yup. That was the best program we ever did at GM. We made all our internal goals, we made the timing, and I'm really proud of the part I played in it." He had tears in his eyes. It was almost tragic. Everybody wanted to will this thing to succeed, and it didn't work. All the emotional commitment and pride in the program was that it achieved all its internal objectives. And it was probably one of the great defeats in his life, or in his career.


Process over results...





Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:56 PM (6 replies)

Rifle-Toting Huey P. Newton Gun Club Delivers Report on Police Shootings to Feds

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/huey_p_newton_gun_club_dixon_circle_james_harper.php

Rifle-Toting Huey P. Newton Gun Club Delivers Report on Police Shootings to Feds
By Sky Chadde Tue., Oct. 7 2014 at 7:38 AM



The Huey P. Newton Gun Club and the Indigenous People's Liberation Party stand across the street from the Earle Cabell Federal Building and Courthouse.

In hopes of raising awareness of police brutality, two groups walked single-file together through downtown Dallas Monday afternoon with rifles slung over their shoulders. The Huey P. Newton Gun Club, which marched down Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. in August, and the Indigenous People's Liberation Party stopped in front of the Earle Cabell Federal Building and Courthouse. As about 10 members stood in a line on the sidewalk across the building's entrance, three members went inside and attempted to hand a report directly to U.S. Attorney Sarah Saldana.

They got as far as her division manager with the report, compiled from data obtained through open-records requests, which shows that the majority of victims of Dallas police shootings are from the minority community. It's the same report Dallas Communities Organizing for Change released to the media last week. To the marchers, the numbers in the report are evidence of a systemic problem of police abuse toward minorities.

Charles Goodson, one of the three who handed over the report and a Gun Club leader, believes the numbers in the report have been largely ignored by the city and police Chief David Brown.

"I think it's a great contradiction that they would allow us to get these records and then at the same time when we present them with the facts and the records that they've given to us they don't really pay close attention to that at all," Goodson said. "One of the main things we want to do here today is put that information forward to the community and get it legitimized."



Members of the Gun Club prepare for their downtown march.


Wonder what those that pissed all over a more recent group of armed demonstrators
in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014928412

will have to say about this- that is, if they don't studiously ignore it?

Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:23 PM (10 replies)

Florida Supreme Court Rejects Cell Phone Tracking by Police

http://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/fl-supreme-court-rejects-cell-phone-tracking-police

Fl. Supreme Court Rejects Cell Phone Tracking by Police

By Jim Saunders of The News Service of Florida
6:37 pm
Thu October 16, 2014

Pointing to privacy rights, the Florida Supreme Court on Thursday said police need to get warrants before using cell-phone information to conduct "real-time" tracking of criminal suspects.

Justices, in a 5-2 decision, sided with a man who was arrested in 2007 in Broward County after a search of his vehicle uncovered a kilogram brick of cocaine hidden in a spare-tire well. Police tracked the man, Shawn Alvin Tracey, through location information given off when cell-phone calls are made.

In a 46-page majority opinion, Chief Justice Jorge Labarga wrote that using the information without a warrant violated Tracey's Fourth Amendment constitutional rights, which protect people from unreasonable searches and seizures. Labarga, in ruling that evidence against Tracey should be suppressed, also pointed to the public's dependence on cell phones.

"We cannot overlook the inexorable and significant fact that, because cell phones are indispensable to so many people and are normally carried on one's person, cell phone tracking can easily invade the right to privacy in one's home or other private areas, a matter that the government cannot always anticipate and one which, when it occurs, is clearly a Fourth Amendment violation,'' wrote Labarga, who was joined in the majority by justices Barbara Pariente, R. Fred Lewis, Peggy Quince and James E.C. Perry.
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:29 PM (2 replies)

Florida Supreme Court Rejects Cell Phone Tracking by Police

http://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/fl-supreme-court-rejects-cell-phone-tracking-police

Fl. Supreme Court Rejects Cell Phone Tracking by Police

By Jim Saunders of The News Service of Florida

Pointing to privacy rights, the Florida Supreme Court on Thursday said police need to get warrants before using cell-phone information to conduct "real-time" tracking of criminal suspects.

Justices, in a 5-2 decision, sided with a man who was arrested in 2007 in Broward County after a search of his vehicle uncovered a kilogram brick of cocaine hidden in a spare-tire well. Police tracked the man, Shawn Alvin Tracey, through location information given off when cell-phone calls are made.

In a 46-page majority opinion, Chief Justice Jorge Labarga wrote that using the information without a warrant violated Tracey's Fourth Amendment constitutional rights, which protect people from unreasonable searches and seizures. Labarga, in ruling that evidence against Tracey should be suppressed, also pointed to the public's dependence on cell phones.

"We cannot overlook the inexorable and significant fact that, because cell phones are indispensable to so many people and are normally carried on one's person, cell phone tracking can easily invade the right to privacy in one's home or other private areas, a matter that the government cannot always anticipate and one which, when it occurs, is clearly a Fourth Amendment violation,'' wrote Labarga, who was joined in the majority by justices Barbara Pariente, R. Fred Lewis, Peggy Quince and James E.C. Perry.
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:26 PM (1 replies)

Police pepper spray Wake County teen inside his home after he's mistaken for burglar

Source: WTVD Raleigh-Durham NC

By Andrea Blanford
Wednesday, October 08, 2014 07:45AM
FUQUAY-VARINA, N.C. (WTVD) --
The parents of a Wake County high school student are outraged that police pepper-sprayed him inside their home after a neighbor mistook him for an intruder.

It happened Monday afternoon on England Avenue in Fuquay-Varina.

Ricky and Stacy Tyler have fostered 18-year-old DeShawn Currie for about a year. The Tylers, their three young children and DeShawn moved to Fuquay-Varina in July. They said while they're still getting to know their neighbors, it's hurtful someone would assume DeShawn was a burglar just for going about his normal routine of walking home after school.

"He's my baby boy just as much as my other three children are," said Stacy.


Read more: http://abc11.com/news/police-pepper-spray-teen-inside-his-home-after-hes-mistaken-for-burglar/340724/



Now we have a new "crime": Being Resident While Black In A White Neighborhood....
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:35 PM (4 replies)

I Am John Crawford - Stop Police Brutality




Interesting words from the organizer:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/10/07/3576457/ohio-gun-rights-leader-police-shooting-victim-likely-would-not-have-been-killed-if-he-were-white/

“I’ve said from the very beginning that race was a factor,” said Virgil Vaduva, who founded Open Carry Ohio. As someone who has long openly carried a gun and associated with others — mostly white — who do the same, Vaduva has first-hand experience with how white gun carriers are treated, even in that very same Beavercreek Wal-Mart where Crawford was shot. Vaduva says he has openly carried his gun there. “If John Crawford were white, if he did not look like he were ‘from the hood’ , I think he would still be alive today.”...

Vaduva articulated similar wishes to ThinkProgress. While one of the primary goals of all of Open Carry Ohio’s protests is to make the public aware of the state’s open carry law, he said in the case of Crawford, he, too, would like to see Ritchie held accountable. And he would like to see Williams fired if not federally prosecuted.

As for police training, he said he already asked that of police three years ago, when an individual called 911 on him for having a gun at a restaurant. At the time, he had a beard and was wearing a knit hat, and speculated “Maybe I looked a bit too much like a hippy.” Vaduva said the 911 caller described him and his friend as “two crazy guys” but police didn’t take that as a trigger to shoot or even injure him. And he said in the years since, he has dressed nicely while carrying his gun and has never had an incident.

“Unfortunately Beavercreek is a white town,” said Vaduva, a self-described libertarian. “Race was a factor. I am certain.”






Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Tue Oct 7, 2014, 04:27 PM (3 replies)

Open-carry rally held to protest Walmart shooting

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/open-carry-rally-held-protest-walmart-shooting/nhb4P/

Open-carry rally held to protest Walmart shooting

Posted: 12:43 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 4, 2014

By Breaking News Staff

BEAVERCREEK —

About 40 people, some openly carrying firearms, gathered to protest the police-involved Walmart shooting and show support for the family of John Crawford III.

Several protesters were carrying signs, wearing "anonymous" masks and shirts that said "I am John Crawford" as they marched along Pentagon Boulevard.

Some of the protesters who were openly carrying firearms, including rifles, walked into the Walmart after rallying by the street.

They could be seen chatting and interacting with other customers.

The Beavercreek Walmart has put a hold on the sale of the air rifles that Crawford was carrying the night he was shot.









This is *obviously* staged- I mean, really? White AR owners hanging with African-Americans in support of justice for an African-American man? No Confederate flags on display?
No one shot or fleeing in terror from the Walmart? Unpossible!


Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:49 AM (44 replies)

You seem not have noticed a common characteristic of the "gun nuts" I showed

Look again, think reeealy hard, and it might just come to you. Also:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=909847

76.Gun nuts are rather racist. Check out NRA board members, attendees at gun shows, gun stores, etc.
Gungeoneers here.


Name one of these Gungeoneers, then. A $100 donation to the gun control organization of your choice says you can't (or won't) name a one. I suspect that, once again, you're...


Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Fri Oct 3, 2014, 03:26 PM (1 replies)
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