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US State Department cable in relation to Argentina's 2009 submission

to the UNCLCS:




2009 August 11, 19:51 (Tuesday)

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AR - Argentina | PHSA - Political Affairs--High Seas Affairs | PREL - Political Affairs--External Political Relations | PTBS


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Argentina Buenos Aires


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Australia Canberra | France Paris | Group Destinations Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR-Mercado Común del Sur) |New Zealand Auckland | Norway Oslo |Russia Moscow | Secretary of State |United Kingdom London | United Nations (New York)


1. (SBU) ADCM and ESTCouns delivered ref A points to the Argentine MFA's Director General for Political Coordination, Rafael Grossi, a close advisor to FM Jorge Taiana. Grossi was pleased with the USG proposal regarding Argentina's submission of its claim to the Antarctic continental platform (ref B), which he labeled a "very good outcome," and said he could reciprocate with "something that will provide comfort to our partners." The MFA had held a long meeting on this issue on August 4, he said, where the Foreign Minister had approved the exact wording of Argentina's oral communication to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) on August 24. (Text follows below. Spanish and English versions have been e-mailed to the Department.) Grossi confirmed he would travel to New York to represent the GOA at the Commission's hearing and to work with the Chairman and the Secretariat to ensure Argentina's oral statement is included in the written record of the meeting. He offered to meet with USUN.

2. (SBU) Grossi acknowledged that Argentina is "fully aware" that the way its submission to the CLCS had been handled was "not ideal," but he hoped we understood the reasons why the GOA had done so. "We realize we altered the framework (of the 7 plus 2 agreement) and therefore needed to reassure our friends," he said. Grossi was thankful that this "fair compromise" had avoided an open disagreement. He mentioned that he would meet with the Russians, the Australians, New Zealanders and British later in the day to share with them the proposed language just presented to us. He planned on seeing the French and Norwegians on August 6. Grossi also noted that the British Ambassador had forewarned the MFA of the United Kingdom's forthcoming objection to the Argentine presentation, so that it would not come as a surprise to the GOA.

3. (SBU) Text of GOA statement to the CLCS follows. Begin text. Argentina made a full submission of the outer limit of its continental shelf, including the natural prolongation appurtenant to the continent, the islands and the Argentina Antarctic Sector. However, as Note NU/139/2009/600 states, the Argentine Republic takes into account the circumstances of the region south of 60 degrees South latitude and the special legal and political status of Antarctica under the provisions of the Antarctic Treaty, including article IV thereof, and the Rules of Procedure of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf. Therefore, and in accordance with its rules, the Commission could not take any action, for the time being, with regard to the information in this Submission that relates to continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica.

End Text. KELLY

So Macri and his minister appear to be exaggerating,

in light of the highlighted text above, the meaning of the UNCLCS's recommendations for disemination by the media:


... President Mauricio Macri referred to the "new map of Argentina,"  following a resolution by the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS), as a State`s policy. 
"Some weeks ago, the United Nations Commission  on the Limits of the Continental Shelf approved Argentina`s request unanimously, to extend our continental platform," wrote the President on his  official Facebook account.   

According to the report, Argentina is granted the extension of sovereignty over the maritime territory in the area. The country was granted status as the “coastal State” and, as such, gained rights to exploit its natural resources.

Here is the UN CLCS press release:

Commission on Limits of Continental Shelf Concludes Fortieth Session



NEW YORK, 28 March 2016 (Division for Ocean Affairs and the Law of the Sea) — The Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf held its fortieth session at United Nations Headquarters from 1 February to 18 March 2016.  Besides the two weeks of plenary meetings (8 to 12 February and 7 to 11 March), the Commission, working through its subcommissions, devoted five weeks to the technical examination of submissions at the Geographic Information Systems laboratories and other technical facilities of the Division for Ocean Affairs and the Law of the Sea.

The active subcommissions continued their work during the fortieth session.  These were the subcommissions established for consideration of the submissions made by Brazil in respect of the Brazilian Southern Region (partial revised submission); Norway in respect of Bouvetøya and Dronning Maud Land; South Africa in respect of the mainland of the territory of South Africa; the Federated States of Micronesia, Papua New Guinea and Solomon Islands, jointly, concerning the Ontong Java Plateau; France and South Africa, jointly, in the area of the Crozet Archipelago and the Prince Edward Islands; Kenya; Mauritius in the region of Rodrigues Island; and Nigeria.  Some subcommissions met with the respective delegations.

At the plenary level, the Commission adopted, without a vote, two sets of recommendations, namely the recommendations in respect to the submission made by Argentina, and the recommendations in respect to the submission made by Iceland in respect of the Ægir Basin area and in the western and southern parts of Reykjanes Ridge.  With regard to the recommendations in respect of the submission made by Argentina, it is recalled that, previously, the Commission had already decided that it was not in a position to consider and qualify those parts of the submission that were subject to dispute and those parts that were related to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica (see CLCS/64, paras. 76 and 77 and CLCS/76 para. 57).

The Commission also continued, at the plenary level, its consideration of draft recommendations in respect to the submission made by the Cook Islands, concerning the Manihiki Plateau and commenced its consideration of draft recommendations in respect to the submission made by Uruguay.

The Russian Federation, headed by Sergei E. Donskoi, Minister for Natural Resources and Environment, presented its partial revised submission in respect of the Arctic Ocean before the plenary of the Commission.  The Commission assigned the examination of the submission to the subcommission established to consider the submission made by the Russian Federation on 20 December 2001.

Also, the Commission established a new subcommission to consider the submission made by Seychelles concerning the Northern Plateau Region, which has begun its work.

The Commission decided that it would hold three weeks of plenary meetings during the forty-third session in order to consider draft recommendations submitted to the plenary before the term of office of the current members expires in June 2017.

Details of the fortieth session will be reflected in the Statement by the Chairperson of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf on the progress of work in the Commission, which will be issued as document CLCS/93.

For additional information on the work of the Commission, see the website of the Division atwww.un.org/Depts/los/index.htm.


For information media. Not an official record.

It is a very large continental shelf.

(BBC).US Election 2016: Sanders wins Washington, Alaska and Hawaii

Source: BBC

... The biggest prize was Washington state, but Mr Sanders also won in Alaska and Hawaii, boosting his campaign. He took at least 70% of the vote in all three states.

Mr Sanders thanked his supporters and said his "campaign has the momentum", but he still faces a tough task to overhaul Mrs Clinton.

After Saturday's caucuses, she leads Mr Sanders by 1,243 delegates to 975, the Associated Press count shows.

When superdelegates - party officials who can support either candidate - who have so far declared their allegiance are included, Mrs Clinton is ahead by 1,712 to 1,004 in the race to reach 2,383 delegates...

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35903119

Article title above, but appears on BBC front page thus:

Think like the enemy: The scariest thing about Brussels (Simon Jenkins, the Guardian)

Think like the enemy. Let’s suppose I am an Islamic State terrorist. I don’t do bombs or bullets. I leave the dirty work to the crazies in the basement. My job is what happens next. It is to turn carnage into consequences, body parts into politics. I am a consultant terrorist. I wear a suit, not explosives. A blood-stained concourse is a means to an end. The end is power.

This week I had another success. I converted a squalid psychopathological act into a warrior-evoking, population-terrifying, policy-changing event. I sent a continent into shock. Famous politicians dropped everything to shower me with cliches. Crowned heads deluged me with glorious odium.

I measure my success in column inches and television hours, in ballooning security budgets, butchered liberties, amended laws and – my ultimate goal – Muslim persecuted and recruited to our cause. I deal not in actions but in reactions. I am a manipulator of politics. I work through the idiocies of my supposed enemies...


I find:

At the Guardian:

... While Trump looks on course to end the campaign with the most delegates of any candidate, he may not have the 1,237 required to win the GOP nomination outright. That would force the billionaire to make the case for his presidency in a contested convention where party elites, many of whom who are hostile to his candidacy, could hold sway.

With Trump’s projected delegate count expected to come down to the wire, results such as his loss to Cruz in Utah could, later down the line, prove pivotal...


What are the (R) delegate numbers overall so far,

and how do predicted future numbers trend at this point in time?

What do we think about this?

You mean French-Canadian there, right?

Not quite the same as contemporary French-French, French friends tell me. Canada sounds very cool.

I have only travelled across the Atlantic once, to visit Cuba. Must go again... Something pending. And I want to visit Uruguay, Argentina and Chile. And Canada. As regards the USA, the Cascadian (Salish) region seems most attractive.

I was taught some French in my (free, state-run) English grammar school in the '60s. When I first went to France I found that wasn't much use in the real world. Learned some more with French girlfriends, more time in France. When I came to Spain (and Catalonia) I had no Spanish, nor Catalan, but a basic grasp of French grammar helped me learn Castillian Spanish (and a smattering of Catalan) as I went along, sobre la marcha. I took no classes, but living with a Spanish partner, whose family all spoke first Catalan, then Castillian but who advised me to concentrate on Spanish because that's a much more useful, widely-spoken language, helped.

Of course speaking Spanish has allowed me to integrate myself, and has opened up this culture and the cultures of Latin America to me, filling my head with ideas. I think it helps me to think more clearly, in both languages - having some ability to compare and contrast. So many single-language speakers seem to speak without thinking too much about what they're saying. Straight from unspoken thought to tongue without, often, much reflection. I still have a kind of 'loop' in my head where I sometimes need to think about how to phrase what I need to say in Spanish before saying it, although often now, 30 years later, it's as fluent as my English.

There are many Brit expats living in (with apologies, but we do use this term in this way) English-speaking 'ghettoes' on the Spanish coasts and islands (with whom for a long time I rarely mixed). That looks and sounds a bit pathetic. British TV. Closed minds.

I recommend to all: Learn, learn, teach as much as you can. But preferably not through the use of obligation or force.

Duck and cover just wasn't an excercise for us in the '60s.

But you're right. The Great War of 1914-18 was the real thing all right. My German, French, Italian and other European friends here in Spain say the same. The end of the Old Order, entirely brought about by European elites squabbling amongst themselves, with entire peoples paying the price. All the young men of entire villages and towns gone. Cold wind blowing over empty fields.

Then part 2, 1939-45 following that bad French Treaty (Versailles) and the economic crash and depression caused by those same greedy selfish elites.

My father (British 8th Army despatch rider, Norton 500s, in North Africa, Middle East, Anatolia, Italy) told me, I paraphrase, "We came home from that war we'd won, with that recent experience, being demobilised but still with acces to arms. We said to our elites, this was your fault, again. We really do not want to have to do this ever again. Never again. So we're going to make a deal. We want socialism, this much socialism (education, health, heavy industries...). You will pay taxes, this much in taxes. We remain a capitalist, but mixed, economy. Either you accept this deal or we are going to go full Communist." The deal was, grudgingly no doubt, accepted. It was decided the Empire made no sense, the opposite in fact, and had to go...

We have not been aggressive warmongers since then. But we are certainly ready to defend ourselves and our friends. We sincerely hope our friends will not make that necessary, again.
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