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If you really want to understand all sides of this, then I refer you to this link:
It's long. Very, very long. I suggest fixing some kind of drink, turn off the phone, and start reading.
I would love to know what you think.
(Please help keep it kicked for wider viewership. Very important reading!!)
Posted by FourScore | Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:43 PM (126 replies)
I have noticed that there has been an increase in anti-Bernie posts lately, and wow! THEY ARE REALLY REACHING!! Everything from snubbing his wife, to Susan Sarandon, to Bernie's tone (I really had to laugh at that one - especially since no has been able to find a single Bernie commercial yet where Hillary is even mentioned), to FEC accusations from that honorable man, David Brock. You get the drift. They got nothin' so they are trying to hammer him with bullshit.
Here's my plea - don't respond to them.
The majority of Clinton supporters on this website behave well and truly believe they are supporting the better candidate. However, there are a handful of very vocal Hillary supporters who wanna fight. We all know who they are by now - it really is about 6-10 people with about 3-4 of them leading the charge. They love to demonize Sanders and those who support him, and they continue to spread this crap. Typically, they have multiple negative posts about Bernie in GD: P at all times. They goad us in the comment section, and I, personally, have found it best not to engage. If you do, you're just drawing more attention to their bullshit.
Please let it go. It's like feeding trolls. We don't feed trolls, and we shouldn't feed the nasty Bernie posts. Let 'em drop. If you want to write a rebuttal regarding their accusations, do so in your own post.
There. I'm done.
Thanks for listening to my rant and have a nice day.
Posted by FourScore | Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:51 AM (17 replies)
There is a White House petition for an AZ REVOTE. It currently has just over 60,000 signatures - please DU that thing! No matter if you are a democrat, republican, independent, Bernie supporter, Clinton supporter...too many people were shut out. It appears election fraud occurred, but even if it was all random bad luck, there needs to be a do-over. Here's the link:
The meme I have seen on certain websites is that re-elections never happen. I am here to tell you they can, they do and why.
In the mid 1960's, Jimmy Carter ran for the first time in his life for office - the GA state legislature in the district where my family was living. It appeared he would win easily, although he had an opponent - a man known to be a white supremacist. Surprisingly, the other fellow won by an enormous margin. Everyone assumed that ballot stuffing was involved, but such cases are difficult to prove. Carter turned to my father for legal council. They took it court, during which time an unopened ballot box was discovered. They popped it open in court and saw the ballots still rolled up together for the opponent. No one had even bothered to unroll them. The judge ruled for a re-vote, and Carter won with a landslide victory. Can you imagine how history may have been altered if that revote had never happened?
DEMAND A RE-VOTE IN ARIZONA!!!
(This is all documented in Carter's book Turing Point, also on the "American Perspective" documentary on Carter, as well as other sources.)
Posted by FourScore | Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:28 AM (15 replies)
Found this on twitter. I don't know if it is credible, but worth looking into.
Posted by FourScore | Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:08 AM (5 replies)
From change.org - please sign.
Petitioning Senator Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders MUST Contest Arizona Election Results and Address Systemic Election Rigging
Deborah Lusignan Adams, MA
Open Letter to Bernie Sander's Campaign from Supporters:
We, as your supporters/volunteers/donors and advocates for the People's movement are DEEPLY concerned about what appears to be systemic election rigging within the Democratic primary and the failure of the Sanders' campaign to address problems as they have revealed themselves.
State by state, we have witnessed serious issues with caucus rigging (video evidence emerging showing Clinton staff miscounting votes/allowing Clinton voters to go into caucuses unregistered, misinforming caucus participants of rules resulting in invalidating Sanders votes). The violations were so severe in Iowa that the editorial board of the newspaper that endorsed Hillary Clinton for the Presidency, the Des Moines Register called for an independent audit and full investigation to determine what went wrong. In Nevada, we have video of Clinton supporters being allowed to vote in the caucus unregistered and miscounting vote. The concerns about manipulations by the Clinton campaign in Nevada resulted in Nurses United (the Nurses' union that endorsed Sen Sanders) to request independent polling monitors be brought in to oversee elections in remaining primary states.
In addition, we have seen a consistent trend of exit polling not matching election outcomes in Arizona, Massachusetts, Missouri, Iowa and Illinois indicating wins for Senator Sanders in these states. Additionally, exit polls in other states indicate much closer outcomes than reported results. In Massachusetts, we witnessed unadjusted exit polls indicating a double digit win for Bernie Sanders and hand counted precincts in Massachusetts going to Senator Sanders by 17% over Hillary Clinton. In Arizona, exit polls conducted by the Daily Courier indicated Sanders winning by 62% over Clinton’s 37% yet current results are indicating an inexplicable double digit win for Clinton. Exit polling has been consistently correct in predicting Republican primary outcomes from the same outlets conducting the Democratic polling. This is a major red flag.
We also have video evidence that Bill Clinton broke the law by campaigning INSIDE Massachusetts polling places and shutting down polling stations for several hours as he canvased these precincts. Despite this being against state law, the severe disruption in voting that occurred, and a petition of over 100,000 people demanding that the state take legal action against Clinton for these violations, nothing was done. This emboldened Bill Clinton to repeat the same behavior in precincts in Illinois, and Hillary Clinton was seen campaigning at a precinct in North Carolina during voting on that state's primary day. Voters felt enormously disrespected that the Clinton's interfered with our voting process and upset the Sanders campaign did not hold them to account for illegally disrupting our voting process.
Additionally, there is a serious concern about purged voter rolls with voters in every primary state thus far reporting incidents where individuals were either removed from the rolls or did not have their registration update changes in status that would have allowed them to participate in the 2016 Democratic primary. Florida and Arizona was the most egregious in voters reporting removal from the rolls with many citizens being denied the vote entirely or only allowed to vote on provisional ballots. Additionally, in Arizona we witnessed mass suppression of the vote as the state provided only sixty polling places for participation in contrast to the 200 that were available for the 2012 uncontested Democratic primary election. Voters reported waiting in lines for up to six hours. The mainstream news media predicted a victory for Clinton with available exit polling data indicating a Sanders win and thousands of voters still waiting in line to cast a vote. This reeks of wag the dog politics, and we have zero faith that the outcome in Arizona is any way indicative of the actual results of that election.
Additionally, we are finding that vote by mail and absentee ballot registration is consistently favoring Hillary Clinton THREE to ONE and this is occurring EVEN in states where Sen Sanders is winning in double digit blow out margins over Clinton.
This is a short list of the issues and problems that have been reported in the Democratic primary thus far. Please refer to this blog for sources, videos, documentation, and video evidence compiled by state. The claims made in this petition are documented on this site.
As supporters of this movement, we are troubled by the failure of the campaign to address these issues as they have arisen. We are puzzled why hand recounts of sample precincts were not requested in states where exit polls and election outcomes did not match. The machines we vote on are subject to tampering and remote hacking and election results have been shown to change by simple calibration of these machines. We are disturbed that the campaign failed to follow up with recounts in Missouri when exit polls showed a clear Sanders win in this state, and election precinct totals showed statistically improbable changes to favor Clinton in larger voting areas such as St Louis. If the campaign did not want the voters to incur the cost for a full recount in this state, it would have been prudent to request hand recounts of ballots in precincts that presented red flags. Our concern in Missouri, and indeed all the primary states, is not to pick up one or two extra delegates, but reveal what we believe could be mass election fraud.
Given the amount of evidence, it has come to the point of irresponsibility by the campaign to continue to ignore this issue. Volunteers and supporters have given literally hundreds of thousands of man hours and millions of dollars in donations to drive this campaign to success. We have a right to expect the campaign will employ every possibly means of safeguarding our vote. Therefore, we request the campaign:
Fully contest the election results in the state of Arizona. The amount of voter suppression and problems in this state demand a full revote.
File for hand counts in states where exit poll results did not match election outcomes where it is legally allowed. If the campaign does not want to pay or recount entire states, we implore the campaign to request counts in states that presented red flags in reporting statistically improbable changes that favored Hillary Clinton. (St Louis in Missouri, Chicago in Illinois, etc). Immediately pursue any redress available in Massachusetts to the full extent of the law
Conduct exit polling in future primary states and immediately request sample hand counts of precincts if election outcomes do not match polling results to document for any possible fraud and challenge results wherein such fraud is documented.
Immediately respond to any future illegal behavior from the Clinton campaign (Bill Clinton illegally canvassing polls, video evidence of caucus rigging from Clinton campaign) and reports of mass voter purging or vote suppression by pursuing any/all legal avenues to provide redress.
It is the campaign's duty to ensure that they utilize every avenue available to protect our vote and ensure that our movement to elect a People's representative to the Presidency isn't thwarted by illicit or illegal tactics from any entity.
URGENT UPDATE: After the Arizona debacle with reports of thousands of Sanders supporters being purged from the voter rolls, voters in upcoming primary states started double checking their registration status. We are getting reports from voters in Wisconsin, New York, California, Washington, and other upcoming states and some have had their party affiliation changed from Democratic to another status or found they are no longer on the rolls. If you are voting in an upcoming primary or caucus state, DOUBLE CHECK your voter registration status and bring documentation to the polls of your eligibility. If you are purged, also contact the Sanders campaign. The Sanders campaign should make available an immediate hotline for reporters to report this issue AND issue a statement to warn voters to check their registration status.
Posted by FourScore | Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:28 AM (6 replies)
(If interested, please help to keep this kicked for wider viewership. It is getting lots of recs, but dropping like a stone. I find it particularly important that voters in NY and CA be on the alert and check out their voter registration. Thank you.)
Pretty damning stuff. Somebody definitely hacked the election, although, unfortunately, no concrete proof. I believe a full FBI investigation needs to be instigated, and Bernie should sue the state of AZ.
Concerned that we might only be hearing one side of the story, Anonymous has used our very best online research methods in an attempt to discover what the reach of this potentially rather substantial scandal may be. We searched deeply on multiple social media sites, using a wide variety of search terms. We looked into every news story we could reasonably find reporting on this phenomenon. We engaged directly with a few Republicans and Hillary Clinton supporters on Twitter. We tried various general Google searches. We were looking very closely at specific reports where individuals said either that they or someone they knew directly (a relative, friend, or person they were at the polls with) had experienced having their voter registration changed without their knowledge. Where we were able to have direct contact with Democrats making such claims, we asked whether they supported Sanders or Clinton. While these results are far from comprehensive (there are likely well over a thousand of these little reports out there), we have done our best to get an accurate sampling. As reported on Twitter, these are our results:
...Arizona’s Secretary of State website stores its data in SQL databases. Properly maintained (a big question given Arizona’s constant penny wise, pound foolish budgeting), SQL databases can be defended against hackers with a moderate or lesser skill level. But SQL databases in general have been known to have a particular, structural flaw for decades. SQL Injection, where random data is entered into a data entry field, can trigger an SQL database to give up most or all of its goods to an unauthorized user. SQL Injection is nearly always the first line of attack a hacker learns, and at its most basic level, it can literally be taught to a toddler . A Vice article from November is entitled “The History of SQL Injection, the Hack That Will Never Go Away.” It notes that SQL Injection repeatedly takes the number one spot in Open Web Application Security Project Foundation’s triennial report on threats that websites face...
...At this point, it is clear that some of the cases, like Ms. Robertson’s, stem from ridiculous new procedures put in place by Arizona’s Secretary of State and Motor Vehicles Division. That said, other cases like Bianca’s, clearly do not fit that pattern, and the apparent overwhelming impact on Sanders supporters cannot be explained by a glitch that should have hit all parties and candidate supporters in roughly equal numbers.
The numbers in Pima County and Maricopa are particularly glaring. Reports of five-inch thick piles of provisional ballots and up to 2/3 of ballots in a particular voting location in Pima are quite suspicious. Numbers Anonymous is using internally to monitor election results across the country suggest that Sanders should have won student rich, and reliably progressive Pima county comfortably. The lack of polling stations alone in Maricopa County cannot explain how Phoenix, with a Democratic Mayor, could see Republicans show up at the polls on election day to the tune of around 80,000 voters, while Democrats cast a paltry 33,000 votes in Maricopa County on election day...
...In that vein, we should note that there are now likewise dozens and dozens of reports of Sanders supporters in places like Pennsylvania and New York, with upcoming closed primaries, finding that their own registrations have been switched. One such report arrived in our inbox on Friday morning, the final day for new voter registrations in New York. The emailer told us that the website for New York was going up and down intermittently. We asked what link they were using. When we checked it, our Tor Browser informed us that the website was insecure, presenting an invalid encryption certificate.
link to Anonymous's AZ switched database:
These are glaring results.
Can also follow on twitter here: https://twitter.com/HiveComm/with_replies
EDIT: This was their initial release on March 26:
Posted by FourScore | Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:41 PM (48 replies)
Posted by FourScore | Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:10 AM (4 replies)
The real reason the Dem Establishment wants Bernie to get out of the Race.
By Auburn Parks
Wednesday Mar 23, 2016 · 9:54 AM EST
People love narratives. And the media love narratives. So lets compare two possible narratives going into the next Dem primary (either 2020 if HRC loses to Trump or 2024 if she becomes the president (keep in mind that these are political narratives, they are not necessarily true)
Bernie drops out of the race today after failing to win Arizona and gives an impassioned speech imploring his followers to vote for HRC in the primaries moving forward. Given HRC’s current lead in elected delegates of 58% to 42%, we could realistically expect her to further expand that margin in the back half of the primary to maybe 25% of elected delegates, throw in the superdelegates (15% of total delegates) and she ends up winning the nomination by about 40%.
In this scenario, the establishment will have the narrative that a progressive candidate is simply not viable in the next primary. And they will be able to point to the 40 pt blowout that Bernie suffered at the hands of HRC as evidence for why this narrative is self-evident. And sadly, a great many people will believe the narrative simply because they believe the authority figures that tell it. In a similar way that Bernie has been crushed by the false narrative that he is “radical” when his positions are right smack dab in the center of the 1960’s70’s Dem party platform (his policy positions are also supported by majorities when looking at the polling on Medicare for all, raising taxes on .1%, eliminating student debt servitude, reigning in Wall st, and investing in infrastructure). He’s also been hurt by the false narrative that HRC is more electable when no objective measures support that story. But again, truth is not the purpose of political narratives, politics is the purpose. So even though the narrative of progressive Dem candidates not being credible would be objectively false, the story would be easy to tell, and easy to believe if HRC wins the nomination by 40 pts. And this is exactly the story that Corporate Dem establishment would like to tell.
Now narrative 2:
Bernie stays in the race, fighting tooth and nail all the way til the convention and ends up losing the elected delegate count by 5%, throw in a more split superdelegate count (maybe 80-20) and HRC would end up winning the nomination by just 15%. In this scenario, the narrative would favor our progressive side and it would go a little something like this… HRC was the most well known Dem candidate in decades, had the most universal support of the establishment of any recent Dem candidate, had the largest and best funded organization of any Dem primary candidate. And even with all those hugely powerful elements in her corner, she still only managed to beat by 5 pts a largely unknown, self described socialist, old white Jew from uber-liberal snowy white Vermont.
In my mind, the political narrative possibilities of the two above scenarios are extremely powerful and important moving forward. And scenario 2 would be just as extremely unwelcome by the corporate Dem shills that support the status quo and HRC, as it would be a boon to progressives moving forward. And I think this is the primary reason why TPTB want Bernie to drop out of the race right now, its in their best interest interest moving forward.
Posted by FourScore | Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:00 PM (11 replies)
Myths About Election Irregularities and Suppression in Arizona
Wednesday Mar 23, 2016 · 1:44 PM EST
Script from Yavapai County Recorder's Office in Arizona
There are several myths left floating around regarding yesterday’s flawed election in Arizona:
It was just a few hours (or it’s the voters’ fault)
Lines were so long people literally spent an entire work day waiting in line. In Maricopa County, every polling location had to accommodate 20,000 voters.
All democrats were affected equally by the lack of polling places.
Latino communities suffered disproportionately due to lack of polling places in their neighborhoods. Maricopa County is 40% Latino. Pima County had twice as many polling locations open than Maricopa County, with 1/3rd as many voters.
Provisional ballots will eventually be counted.
The SoS expressly stated that if you are listed as anything but Democrat in their system (even if it’s wrong), your provisional ballot will not be counted. The Script that Yavapai’s County Recorder’s Office uses:
“Every provisional ballot is checked for eligibility. If you are registered as independent, other, party not designated, or libertarian, you are not eligible for this election and therefore, by law, your vote cannot be counted. If you are registered as a Democrat, Green, or Republican, and your ballot is otherwise eligible, then your provisional ballot will be counted.”
This only affected independents who switched to democrat to vote for Sanders.
Lifetime Democrats were erroneously listed as Independent, Republican, Libertarian, and “no affiliation”. None of their votes will count. People brought their hard copy voter ID with the correct affiliation and were still not allowed to vote with a regular ballot. It won’t be easy to fight this even if the computer is wrong.
It’s not that many votes.
In Yavapai County, 2/3rds of voters in one precinct were mistakenly identified as independent. All of them were given provisional ballots (which as we now know, will not be counted). The election day technician in Yavapai indicates that “this is the same exact thing that voters have been experiencing in Pima and Maricopa County all day.”
This is a partisan issue from Bernie “whiners”.
This is a voting rights issue. Do we expect free and fair elections in the US or not? Do we say “well this happens everywhere, oh well?” or do we fight for everyone’s right to vote? Do we continue to put up with this simply because we like the outcome? How much did we love the outcome in FL? Would we like democrats to be able to elect Democrats to their state and federal offices in all states — doesn't that mean they need to be able to vote fairly?
It won’t change anything anyway
In Yavapai County, the total number of votes counted was 8,401 to 7,108. Presumably many of those votes were case by mail. Assuming 60% of them were votes by mail, that means about 6,000 were cast yesterday. If 2/3rds of people hoping to vote as Democrats were turned away due to computer glitch, that could be up to 12,000 voters who were unable to vote — almost as many as the current total.
Maricopa has 218,587 votes and Pima has 98,324 votes. Using this same analysis, 40% of these votes is 126,764. If this represents 1/3rd of voters who tried to vote yesterday (because the other 2/3rds were turned away because of incorrect affiliation in the computer record), then that’s 253,528 voters turned away.
If only 10% were turned away, meaning that 126,764 represents 90% of votes, then more than 14,000 voters were unable to vote yesterday.
The candidates are separated by 72,299 votes.
It could make a difference in the number of delegates apportioned.
So what is the solution?
First and foremost, assuming the DNC does not fight for the rights of Democrats to have fair elections, the Sanders campaign and/or the Arizona Democratic Parter should take steps to protect and preserve the provisional ballots, and people should be told to keep their copies.
Second, attorneys should be brought in to represent voters who can prove the computer record is incorrect, so that their provisional votes can count despite the edict in the image above.
A class action lawsuit by disenfranchised voters should be brought to insist that there are sufficient polling places for them to vote in a reasonable time frame. A separate complaint alleging disenfranchisement on racial basis (lack of polling places in heavily Hispanic areas) should be brought to the Justice Department.
The court should be asked to decide whether anyone who was in line and turned away without voting at all should be given another chance to vote. Apparently they did order that in IL but it was overturned and now it is before the appeals court.
This isn’t about partisan politics or Bernie/Hillary. This is about voting rights. Maybe this IS the hill to stand on, to finally start addressing these travesties.
Posted by FourScore | Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:51 PM (5 replies)
EDITED to add the original source: https://www.facebook.com/joleen.swan.1/videos/1786592341563944/
SECOND EDIT: Apparently, these sorts of ads are allowed at caucuses. The issue here is that the Hillary ad was much longer and ran multiple times while the Bernie one was very short and only ran once. This angered a number of people. On top of that, Joleen LaPierre (the woman who taped and posted the video), stated from the caucus last night:
"So this is so fucked up, they gave everybody a band to wear and everyone is voting, they say that you can go home after you cast your first vote and after you get your wristband. But then the reading material that I'm reading says that they may do a second and third vote so they're basically telling people to cast their first vote and then go home and then they can potentially vote a second or third time."She tried to convince everyone to stay. all of this can be read at the facebook link.
Posted by FourScore | Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:51 PM (85 replies)