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No. But I'm not a wordsmith by any stretch. I agree with criticising fundamentalism of any ilk.

ISIS are not fundamentalist, they are a terror organization. They are genocidal. That is the real estate staked out by Obama. Genocide was, at one point a thousand years ago, acceptable in a religion. It is not any more.

The word phobia is important because people are really scared, or being stirred up to be being really scared. of all of Islam, of every muslim because of genocidal maniacs in ISIS. They are conflating terrorism and a cult with the religion as a whole. The point of the word is to take the religion back from those who would conflate be they the right wing in the USA or the jihadists of ISIS.

This is a war. A war fought on the battlefields and towns of Iraq and Syria and the suburbs of California. A war fought on the internet. A war fought with the meaning of words. If you want to cede territory to ISIS with your vocabulary you go ahead. The President obviously will not. I don't know what your motives are.... I can't imagine why the right would want Obama to lose so bad that they give in to ISIS. Think of it as a war of aspirations. Cause that is what it is.

You have to ask who the right wing are emulating. They are

emulating the Saudi Royalty with their petro-empires of wealth. For sure the war in Iraq started ISIS. And it was also about a war that would pay for itself with oil. I think we know the GOP is not exporting a decent income tax around the world.. they certainly do not want to pay taxes themselves but fund (through charity at times) only institutions (like evangelical churches)and corporations that will make them more powerful. Exactly like the Saudis. Farook, like many Middle easterners, scapegoated Israel for all that is wrong in his world. And he felt all the humiliations of being muslim (in america, in europe and in the middle east). They have built a cult to make themselves mighty men, big men, in a world that does not see it.Because of inequality and a complete lack chances to built a life through hard work and merit in the middle east. No the GOP didn't cause that couple to become radicalized directly. They are both sick *****.But they sure as hell gave them the gun in easily acquired automatic weapons and now give ammunition to the angry in and from the middle east, with their Muslim bashing. They are increasing the chances of more attacks. Which serves their goal of getting their base to vote out of fear. All so the rich don't have to pay taxes and can take more power away from the US middle class. The Saudis play the same game and do it no better, no worse. There is trend on discussion boards as we speak to attack Muslims and other marginalized groups. It is no doubt an organized campaign. It is so bad that a few sites have stopped their forums/comments sections. All republican talking points. All used to make the GOP base all turn out in 2016. You would think that the great usa would be marshalling resources to fight the group they are at war with instead of regular americans on the internet trying to talk about the world. But i guess it is war the right wing is waging against connectedness that doesn't directly serve their needs. Was a time when the corporation only owned you during working hours. Now they control their base's free time and minds as well. No it will not end well. And the angry young men, be they jihadis or republicans, it doesn't matter who, will try and buy an assault weapon to shoot up some americans minding their own business. Will the GOP let them? It seems they will.

But Farook told his father he hated Israel and wanted ISIS to win. Point is there is a hunger out

there that jihad fills in the Middle East. And then followers follow cause it looks utopian and big and strong. Boston bombers used article in al Qaeda in the Saudi Peninsula to make their bomb. They are all related. And you who support the GOP are quickly going to be exactly like them. Poor, unhappy, stuck, with nothing but religion to sooth you and pretty soon only ideals of violence against your perceived enemies to give your anger a home. You are more like them than you think.

And you don't think that inequality in the Middle East doesn't affect the desire to die in a death

cult? The USA should vigorously be pushing proper income tax in countries in the middle east so that there is proper policing, proper schooling, proper regulations, no graft, proper upward mobility, proper equality, proper democracy and all. But the GOP will never allow that and are in fact modeling themselves on the Saudi Royal Family themselves and you on the Middle East. How do you like feeling squeezed so far? People on the right like you seem pretty angry to me right now. You have more in common with angry people in the middle east than you acknowledge.

CBC news did a story tonight on Paul Ryan's reaction to the shooting today. He gave

condolences and then he asked for a moment of silence. I thought the GOP is asking for more than a moment of silence. They are asking for everyone to be silent forever lest they lose one of their precious wedge issues (which are dwindling in number).

Well they met. And at the end Trump was said to say "I'm leading in the polls". Which tells you how

well it went. I posted this article because I thought it showed the crash association those on the right try and do to their base...conflating the gaslighting of AA with the words 'all lives matter' that the base does with Trump's candidacy. Even when Trump has a loss they try and make all the base feel attacked in the same way. That is the 'genious' of trump and I thought it was important point made...even though it didn't end up being the story.

The GOP will see this as a threat because it doesn't involve buying a product or

going to church. Even with a crisis among white males in the South dying early of drug/alcohol abuse or other ways of being unhappy, the GOP will not allow a positive relationship between government and the public. Just you watch. This does not benefit them and is a threat to how the GOP roll. Pursuit of happiness is not something the GOP obviously believe in. Was a time Americans were proud of their government and its might and good works. The GOP has killed that positive in the lives of others as psychopaths will do.

I think the Obama administration has done the math and

concluded US boots on the ground would have to be forever because the same civil war would just break out again and again every time the us took their troops out. So what is the point of boots on the ground if they can not stay there forever and will never make for a permanent peace. There is no point, thankfully. It has to be the locals or a dirty peace deal involving assad. No good options. But I would say that conscription isn't going to happen in your near future.

People in the middle east paying proper income taxes

will stop ISIS. Then the countries will be able to afford enough rule of law to stop graft. SUCCESS THAT IS AWARDED BY MERIT, not corruption or customary law, will give hope. They need democratic institutions. American corporations there should pay decent income tax to local government in the ME as well.

Don't they want to spread the caliphate? Isn't ISIS all about men wanting to be 'big men'? And you

need places in the world that are rich to be the biggest men of all. Hell, if they'll travel back to the 7th century to be the type of big men there were back then, they'll travel to Europe and North America too. If they are used to having complete control over other people in their nuclear family, or they want it, they easily project that to everywhere. Hell they probably feel contempt for men in the west who have to rely on merit of some sort to be successful in love and work and life(to whom ISIS followers used to feel like second class citizens). And the Koran, at over a thousand years old like many religious documents, backs them up. A small percentage of violent people then sign up for ISIS where simple manhood promises you incredible power over whether others live or die: they are leveraging being male into the ultimate power ISIS promises. For sure there is a lack of opportunity in the ME and their not so merit based economies. So by joinging ISIS, aspirations are filled, their grievancers attacked. What reptilian brain would not want that? Thankfully the wast majority of people in the region do not only follow their reptilian brains. But some do everywhere. It is how cults work around the world.
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