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Member since: Mon Feb 7, 2005, 02:14 AM
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I am interested in politics & history, and social justice.

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If we can show a pattern of war-mongering against our leaders by the right...we can nail them.

Why not just point out that the right is filling their bases heads with hatred for large swaths of people in the interests of political expediency every election cycle. Because it is a pattern by now and repeatedly doing the same thing again and again is on you, not the people you do it to. Bill Clinton was a "cracker", hate the poor. Obama is african american, hate anything black (or at least allow no shared sunlight between anyone black and regular Americans). Hillary Clinton is a woman, hate female role-models. Who does it make look bad when you can show a consistent, repeated pattern of starting wars on particular groups that best represent Democratic leaders.

I'm used to the the NRA being 'too tough' to go up against on the DU. And whenever

I'd post something in the old gungeon, NRA types would show up and attack, no doubt warned by 'bots' that some gun discussion was taking place at the DU. And they'd always be some 'friendly' there to tell me that they were with me but there was no point in going up against the NRA, that they were too strong. I ignored them and pointed out the bullshit in their NRA positions and the ways they used to tools of psychopaths to fight....and at some point the NRA stopped attacking me. They stopped showing up to argue with me. Martinez has what it takes to move this gun discussion to another level. The House already is talking background checks for mental health and it has been only a week. Thank you for your warning but I'll follow my own heart on this.

He's puffing up russians with is talk of Russia is better than the decandent west. Then they'll

feel crossed and attacked when they are not respected for their sick narrative. Then they'll be ready to attack to puff up their egos some more to get back the 'self esteem'. Putin will have turned Russians into and bunch of Elliot Rodgers with a list of grievances and a desire for retribution because lgbt people will thrive in the west as barriers continue to come down and lgbt people will continue to exist in Russia, as they always have.

This whole VA scandal where executives

cooked the books on waiting times to protect promotion chances and bonuses is just another example of how compensating executives for efficiency and cost savings is sick in the USA. There are no morals that cannot be crossed in the pursuit up the executive ladder. IMHO Maybe the executive marketplace that is the Phoenex VA is something the GOP will not Benghaziise becaise it is essentially their philosophy that will be under investigation. They seem to want Shinseki gone right now, and that be the story, while Democrats want to wait for the detailed audits to be done.

And the white man in the mid west or south cried hard when his wife got a raise - NOT!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/05/1296986/-Fox-News-wonders-if-alpha-women-are-destroying-men-s-lives


Get out in front of the GOP meme that men are upset their wives are doing well.

That is it. They are going to go after Hillary Clinton as an alpha female. They

will start a hate on women who are successful and all their followers will parrot that men are being done in by successful women. Like real American men in the heartland really hate hate hate it when their wives get raises. "Dam, the little women was made manager &*%&%!$&%$&!!"

The right’s paranoid tribalism: New poll reveals how the left should attack extremists

The right’s paranoid tribalism: New poll reveals how the left should attack extremists

by Tim Donovan at Salon

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/30/the_rights_paranoid_tribalism_new_poll_reveals_how_the_left_should_attack_extremists/

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First of all, let’s consider the sample group. As the poll notes, “Question was asked of those who said there has been an increase between the rich and everyone else in the U.S. in the last 10 years.” We shouldn’t draw too many broad conclusions from these results, as Pew only polled individuals who agreed with the basic question. What’s so interesting here is what that self-sampling reveals about the mind of the tribal Republican: while many are willing to concede to inequality is a real and growing problem, they see the reasons for its existence entirely differently (as other recent poll results have borne out). The main responses that the American people provided for our growing inequality are actually fairly accurate, as long as one considers each of them as part of a larger tapestry . But the final response, popular among Republicans, attributes our growing inequality to “work ethic of poor/gov’t assistance programs.” If this poll aims to help us parse the opinions of the American public, it is suspect at best — but as a piece of blatant political theater, created for the express purpose of painting Republicans as insane and unreasonable, it’s quite brilliant.

Consider the strategy: You take a topic like income inequality, which is already a part of our tribal political debate, and then provide a predictable subset of extreme Republicans with an easy, pre-coded answer (“work ethic,” “government assistance”). Letting people blame income inequality on the poor for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps well enough is just too easy; it gives these mouth-breathers a venue to express their tribal rage.

This is not to excuse Republican leadership, who are largely to blame for putting their party in this trap. For decades, they’ve encouraged and supported the worst voices in their movement. The Southern strategy, which aimed to exploit white Southerners’ disdain for the Civil Rights Act and all it seemed to represent, quickly became the original sin of modern conservatism.

The Southern strategy essentially codified a tribal paranoia into right-wing politics; for decades, Republican politicians cynically exploited this advantage against Democrats, starting with the Civil Rights Act, up to Willie Horton, and on to gay rights in our own era. But times (and demographics) are a’changin’, and the bigotry and implicit racism that is still so prevalent among the right’s base is quickly becoming a political liability, an ugly feature of their politics that they can neither contain nor destroy.





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You make a good point. We are generalizing. Which we do often in this world

that is so black and white (by black and white I am talking about the type of thinking adolescents do where something is all good or all bad., I am not refering to anybody‘s race).. And the GOP has worked hard to start class/race warfare and the resulting black and white thinking. Shades of grey and fine details are how adults think. The GOP needed a war so they encouraged their base to think like teenagers. And they attacked a middle class way of life. And this is how I would combat the GOP‘s use of race, or feminism, or inequality in American politics (this is in no way meant to imply how you combat these very important issues outside of today's politics, but simply to combat the childishness the current GOP creates by using these serious problems to make mayhem ).

We need to get the political debate back to a serious discussion about issues that affect people‘s lives rather than allout warfare. Some Republicans behave in blatantly racist ways. So we think all Republicans are racist or they are all stupid. And some Republicans resent that. And they feel slurred. And they may have been moderates. But they feel slighted. So they stay on their side. I know, I know it is somewhat racist to be in a party that uses the Southern Strategy every day. But they don't know it ( which makes them stupid - which they don't see themselves as) And the war continues. And reinforces the war and hate.

And now the war is about women as Hillary, not Obama, is the target. With right wing nuts saying crummy, horrible stuff about women. Which makes democrats think republicans have to be anti-woman to vote that way. Which slurs those republicans who don't have sexist attitudes. But they resent being painted that way. And Democrats point out that they support a party that supports sexist attitudes. So the black and white warfare continues on into the 2016 election. Same process, different topic (feminism). And the centre is gutted. And it is exactly as the GOP want it to be.

The only way out of it is for Democrats to appeal to the adult by being specific in who they accuse. Like an adult. Just like you point out. Accuse racism when have details. Use words like Southern Strategy. Give specific examples.

Here is an example of what speaking in general terms will get you. This topic is inequality:
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/30/the_rights_paranoid_tribalism_new_poll_reveals_how_the_left_should_attack_extremists/

When you say it the GOP and the democrats will hear completely different things unless you specifically say what you think causes inequality (tax cuts and advantage of the rich). Same thing with racism. Say specifically what racial incident you are talking about: Clive Bundy, the Southern Strategy, Paul Ryan or whatnot. Or else those on the right who are low information voters and don't see themselves as racist will not be reachable by us on the left. They will not learn anything. They will not hear if they think generalizations are being made against them. If you charge the GOP with racism and give a specific example then the GOPer you are talking to either says yup I‘m racist or not me but someone in my party sure is racist. Either way they‘ve been taught something direct. They‘ll just deny a vague charge of racism in a preprogramed knee jerk way if you don't cite specific examples and reasons. And generalized war between both sides will continue with the Republicans learning nothing about themselves or their sick, sick party.

Hillary Clinton and GOP conspiracies: shoe truthers and Chelsea's pregnancy

They will attack Hillary Clinton for anything that makes her a human being. Prepare to see her completely dehumanized and any human interaction with her will be suspected of having a fake political motive. Benghazi was just the start. Nothing about her will be left unmolested from here on in.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/shoe-truthers-hillary-clinton

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/18/chelsea-trutherism-critic-says-pregnancy-timed-to-help-hillary-clintons-campaign/

We have to get the banksters to somehow apologize for the 2008 financial crash.

That is the first step of undoing the power network that is doing the middle class in. They think they are pure and perfect. Well look what their capitalism did to median adjusted income.
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