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Should we bomb North Korea for not liking our movie?

The CIA Didn’t Just Torture, It Experimented on Human Beings

Maybe Bush was right. We did create human-animal hybrids..... Those who perpetrated these atrocities.

Human experimentation was a core feature of the CIA’s torture program. The experimental nature of the interrogation and detention techniques is clearly evident in the Senate Intelligence Committee’s executive summary of its investigative report, despite redactions (insisted upon by the CIA) to obfuscate the locations of these laboratories of cruel science and the identities of perpetrators.

At the helm of this human experimentation project were two psychologists hired by the CIA, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen. They designed interrogation and detention protocols that they and others applied to people imprisoned in the agency’s secret “black sites.”

In its response to the Senate report, the CIA justified its decision to hire the duo: “We believe their expertise was so unique that we would have been derelict had we not sought them out when it became clear that CIA would be heading into the uncharted territory of the program.” Mitchell and Jessen’s qualifications did not include interrogation experience, specialized knowledge about Al Qaeda or relevant cultural or linguistic knowledge. What they had was Air Force experience in studying the effects of torture on American prisoners of war, as well as a curiosity about whether theories of “learned helplessness” derived from experiments on dogs might work on human enemies.

To implement those theories, Mitchell and Jessen oversaw or personally engaged in techniques intended to produce “debility, disorientation and dread.” Their “theory” had a particular means-ends relationship that is not well understood, as Mitchell testily explained in an interview on Vice News: “The point of the bad cop is to get the bad guy to talk to the good cop.” In other words, “enhanced interrogation techniques” (the Bush administration’s euphemism for torture) do not themselves produce useful information; rather, they produce the condition of total submission that will facilitate extraction of actionable intelligence.


Psychologist, James Mitchell, admits he waterboarded al Qaeda suspects: report

James Mitchell, a former U.S. Air Force psychologist, confirmed some of the specific details in a Senate committee report released last week and defended the practices, saying that valuable intelligence was obtained despite investigators’ conclusion to the contrary.

“Yes, I waterboarded KSM,” Mitchell told the Internet-based global television news outlet VICE News, referring to Mohammed, whose interrogation was described in brutal detail in the report and which has been deemed torture by human rights groups.

“I was part of a larger team that waterboarded a small number of detainees,” Mitchell said in the interview posted Monday.


"I wasn't living hand to mouth, but it wasn't $81 million," Mitchell was quoted as saying. The Senate report said he and Jessen earned as much as $1,800 a day.


OK, this is an admitted war crime. Under US law, Justice is obligated to charge this man. They can then use him to out the rest of the torturers and get them all the rehabilitation they so desperately need.

Obama DID call torturers patriots. Deal with it. NT

Psychologist, JAMES MITCHELL, Linked to CIA Interrogations Kayaking in Retirement

James Mitchell, a psychologist who allegedly co-founded a company the CIA paid to run its terror interrogation program, is retired in Florida and spends his free time kayaking, rafting and climbing. And finding his life a little surreal. “I’m in a box -- I’m caught in some Kafka novel,” he said in a telephone interview from his home in Land O’ Lakes, Florida. “Everyone is assuming it is me, but I can’t confirm or deny it. It is frustrating because you can’t defend yourself.”

Saying he was speaking as a psychologist trained in interrogation techniques but denying any direct knowledge of the CIA program, Mitchell said he would support “anything legal and that doesn’t produce lasting harm.” He said anyone who engaged in sexually abusing or killing a prisoner should be in jail.


His partner in Mitchell Jessen & Associates was Bruce Jessen, who was also involved in the CIA interrogations according to the officials familiar with the report. The Senate report didn’t name the firm or Jessen. Jessen didn’t respond to a message left at a number listed in that name in Spokane, Washington, which is where the U.S. officials said the company that worked for the CIA and was paid $81 million was based.


“The people who think the men and woman in the CIA are doing the heavy lifting for them so they can sleep safe at night, those people I get a lot of positive comments from,” Mitchell said. “Then there are the people who think it would be better that 3,000 people die than that KSM get slapped,” referring to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, “and they don’t care because it isn’t going to be them who is dying. They just don’t care.”


'EIT' meme - don't use it, or 'enhanced interrogation'

I've seen the media trying to re-brand torture as 'EIT', or enhanced interrogation techniques.

We should never use or say this term.

Instead, call it what it is - torture.

That is all.

Instead of prosecuting torturers, Obama prosecuted the guy who revealed the program

Much of the information in the report is new to the public, but a lot of it would have been uncovered during a detailed torture investigation Attorney General Eric Holder conducted during President Obama's first term. After carefully examining the evidence, Holder decided not to prosecute anyone for the CIA's torture. "The department has declined prosecution because the admissible evidence would not be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt," Holder said when he dropped investigations into two torture-related deaths in 2012.

That seems consistent with Obama's own views on the subject. Asked about investigating CIA torture in 2009, Obama replied that "it’s important to look forward and not backwards." Obama admitted that "we tortured some folks" earlier this year, but he didn't call for those responsible to be punished.

But the Obama administration has had a different attitude when it comes to those who revealed the existence of the CIA torture program. In 2012, the Obama administration charged former CIA official John Kiriakou for leaking classified information related to the torture program to reporters. Threatened with decades in prison, Kiriakou was forced to plead guilty and accept a 30-month prison sentence. He's in prison right now.

Obama has vowed to "use my authority as president to make sure we never resort to those methods again." But prosecuting people who revealed the program, instead of the people responsible, makes it more likely that abuses like this will happen again.


In my view, the CIA is making us less safe. NT

Obama says he willing to defy Democrats on his support of Trans-Pacific Partnership

President Obama signaled Wednesday that, at least on international trade, he is willing to defy his fellow Democrats and his own liberal base to pursue a partnership with Republicans. Trade represents one of Obama’s best chances for a legacy-building achievement in the final two years of his presidency, but he acknowledged that it is an idea he still has to sell to many of his traditional allies.

Speaking at a gathering of business leaders, Obama offered his strongest public defense of his administration’s pursuit of a major 12-nation trade deal in the Asia Pacific, known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), that has been opposed by Democrats, labor unions and environmental groups.

The administration has argued that the trade deals will boost U.S. exports and lower tariffs for American goods in the fast-growing Asia-Pacific region, where the United States has faced increasing economic competition from China.

“Those who oppose these trade deals ironically are accepting a status quo that is more damaging to American workers,” Obama said at the Business Roundtable. “There are folks in my own party and in my own constituency that have legitimate complaints about some of the trend lines of inequality, but are barking up the wrong tree when it comes to opposing TPP, and I’m going to have to make that argument.”


Tom Harkin says that Congress should have enacted single payer

ObamaCare author Tom Harkin: Health law is 'really complicated'

By Alexander Bolton
The Hill, December 3, 2014

Sen. Tom Harkin, one of the co-authors of the Affordable Care Act, now thinks Democrats may have been better off not passing it at all and holding out for a better bill. The Iowa Democrat who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, laments the complexity of legislation the Senate passed five years ago.

“We had the power to do it in a way that would have simplified healthcare, made it more efficient and made it less costly and we didn’t do it,” Harkin told The Hill. “So I look back and say we should have either done it the correct way or not done anything at all.

He believes Congress should have enacted “single-payer right from the get-go or at least put a public option would have simplified a lot.” “We had the votes to do that and we blew it,” he said.

Harkin and other liberals are now faced with the bitter irony that the centrists he tried to placate five years ago by crafting a labyrinthine market-based reform are now all out of the Senate.


Well, that's what we've been screaming from the get-go!

Now, let's all get on board with fixing this law (as promised), and moving to single payer!

I want to note:
“We had the votes to do that and we blew it,” he said.
“We had the votes to do that and we blew it,” he said.
“We had the votes to do that and we blew it,” he said.
“We had the votes to do that and we blew it,” he said.
“We had the votes to do that and we blew it,” he said.

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