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benEzra

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Actual BB guns aren't toys. Airsoft plastic-pellet guns *can* be toys, but aren't always.

Given that the corporate media can't usually tell the difference between a BB gun and an Airsoft plastic-pellet-shooter (or doesn't know that there is even a distinction), who knows what the actual non-firearm was in this case.

BB guns are an excellent way to safely teach gun safety/responsibility and marksmanship, and are fun to plink with, but they do require a level of responsibility and degrees of supervision. And they can certainly be confused with real guns from a distance; I've seen both BB guns and Airsofts in "OMG LOOK AT THE ARSENALZ" police press releases.

Are you seriously proposing to ban BB guns, or is that a rhetorical question?

The NRA, the ACLU, and the state Democratic Party had better stand in the way of counterproductive nonsense like a BB gun ban, IMO.

That's pretty much what Carrie Nation said to people who liked to have wine with dinner.

I'm sure she felt as justified in forcing her beliefs on others at gunpoint as you do, since alcohol kills, oh, 200 times as many people annually as rifles do.

But the funny thing is, we can still buy alcohol, can't we? The zealots pushed for a ban, responsible drinkers didn't comply and pushed back, and the party that pushed the ban collapsed into the dustbin of history.

FWIW, I think it's a bit ironic that you have an AR-15 owner and avid target shooter as your avatar.

You'd be happier if rifles with straight stocks had been used instead? Or handguns?

The 2011 mass shooting at Ut°ya, Norway, is the worst on record (77 total killed, of whom 69 were shot); the shooter used a Ruger Mini-14, another small-caliber non-automatic that wouldn't be affected by any ban on rifles with protruding handgrips, aka "assault weapons".



http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/specSheets/5802.html

The fact is, rifle stock shape is absolutely irrelevant to lethality, a fact that seems to escape those who are obsessed with outlawing the least misused guns if the stock is too modern-looking.

And no, we'll keep them, thanks. You'd have an easier time outlawing hunting, since considerably fewer voters hunt than own "assault weapons".

A mass murder by a state-licensed security guard authorized to carry contractor-owned weapons

is a tough nut to crack. But requiring him to use a Ruger Mini-14 (or a Glock, for that matter) instead of a Sig Sauer would have changed absolutely nothing in that particular case. The rifle the murderer used fires no faster than any other civilian autoloader, and is on the low end of the lethality spectrum.

I'll also point out that France has had more mass-shooting deaths since 2008 than we have, all with illegally possessed weapons; France allows AR-15 ownership, but the terrorists didn't bother with civilian non-automatics and used smuggled-in military automatic weapons (and grenades) instead, which could be done here just as easily.

There are some things that could be done around the edges, mostly aimed at identifying radicalized individuals before they strike, discouraging radicalization, etc., though I oppose police-state measures like warrantless surveillance and secret blacklists. There may be some attainable common ground on background checks, too, though I think the gun control lobby has thoroughly burned those bridges now. But legislating handgrip shape, receiver/stock aesthetics, or magazine length accomplishes precisely nothing except to harass the lawful and nonviolent, diverts police resources away from more productive ends, and further deepens the police/community divide, IMO.

The military doesn't use civilian non-automatics like those, except in very specialized roles.

Those aren't automatic weapons in those pics, they are non-automatic civilian guns.

I'll also point out that rifles are the least misused of all weapons in the United States. Only 3% of all murders involve any kind of rifle whatsoever; 97% of murders are carried out with handguns, knives, clubs/hammers/bricks, fists/boots, or shotguns, in that order. Rifles rank last, behind all of those.

Most AR-15's are .22's, hence are underpowered for hunting anything but small game.

AR-10's are good hunting rifles (.308 Winchester, .243 Winchester, 7mm-08, etc.) but are pricey compared to a bolt-action. AR-15's are chambered for low-powered rounds based on the .223 Remington case length, and typically deliver only ~2 kJ or so of energy compared to ~4 kJ for a deer rifle. An AR-15 can kill a deer with careful bullet choice and very careful shot placement, but there isn't as much margin for error, so they are more often used for hunting prairie dogs and other smallish animals, up to coyote-sized.

The vast majority of gun owners are nonhunters, though, and AR-15's absolutely dominate centerfire target shooting in the United States, both competitive and recreational, and are the most popular rifles in U.S. homes. Gun ownership is mostly not about hunting.

And some people wonder why Dem and indie gun owners feel alienated from the party?

I have a B.A. and some graduate work in English and literary criticism (had to drop out of grad school when my son was born with 22q11.2 deletion syndrome), and I work as a technical writer in the aviation industry. I am also a casual competitive shooter (USPSA pistol and carbine), e.g. one of the uneducated morons you decry. My sister is an engineer and has a carry license, though she doesn't shoot competitively. Believe what you want, but it takes income to be a gun enthusiast, and a disproportionate number of us work in STEM fields.

I'd be interested in what data you think supports your generalization. Most polls don't show much difference between postgrads and "some college", and both groups are more likely to own guns than people who only have high school diplomas.

Sheer ignorance, or intentional deception. AR-15-type rifles weren't banned 1994-2004.

After the expiration of the non-ban, rifle crime homicide continued its long decrease, eventually reaching its lowest point in many decades a couple years ago. Rifles are consistently the least misused of all weapons in the United States.

This shows Everytown/Bloomberg's true colors, though. For a couple of years, they've been pretending they don't really want to ban popular guns, just make sure bad people are screened before purchase, etc. Now the mask comes back off.

Actually, hollowpoints are legal in NJ. THe rest of your post stands, though.

NJ certainly has a penchant for letting moralistic busybodies run other people's lives for them.

That isn't limited to NJ; when I was in Boston years ago for my son's second and third heart surgeries, I was shocked to find out that by law, most stores were required to close on Sunday.
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