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Think about what happened. Think about why it happened. Talk about what happened. Talk about why

Charleston Shooting: Speaking the Unspeakable, Thinking the Unthinkable
In which we confront the dark heart of America. Again.



Think about what happened. Think about why it happened. Talk about what happened. Talk about why it happened. Do these things, over and over again. The country must resist the temptation present in anesthetic innocence. It must reject the false comfort of learned disbelief and the narcotic embrace of concocted surprise. There is a ferocious underground fire running through American history. It rages unseen until it flares again from the warm earth. It has raged from the death of Denmark Vesey in 1822 to the death of the Reverend and state senator Clementa Pinckney on Wednesday night.

This was not an unspeakable act. Sylvia Johnson, one of only three survivors of the massacre, is speaking about it.

"She said that he had reloaded five different times… and he just said 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go.'"

There is a timidity that the country can no longer afford.This was not an unthinkable act. A man may have had a rat's nest for a mind, but it was well thought out. It was a cool, considered crime, as well planned as any bank robbery or any computer fraud. If people do not want to speak of it, or think about it, it's because they do not want to follow the story where it inevitably leads. It's because they do not want to follow this crime all the way back to the mother of all American crimes, the one that Denmark Vesey gave his life to avenge. What happened on Wednesday night was a lot of things. A massacre was only one of them.


Proof In The Patches: For anyone wondering whether this was a hate crime

Both are flags of white minority rule over Africans.

A Facebook photo shows Roof wearing a jacket with two flag patches:
One of Apartheid-era South Africa, and the other of Rhodesia, before it became majority-ruled Zimbabwe.


RFK: "Violence Breeds Violence"

an appropriate excerpt for the day:

Some looks for scapegoats, others look for conspiracies, but this much is clear; violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleaning of our whole society can remove this sickness from our soul.

For there is another kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. This is a slow destruction of a child by hunger, and schools without books and homes without heat in the winter.

This is the breaking of a man's spirit by denying him the chance to stand as a father and as a man among other men. And this too afflicts us all. I have not come here to propose a set of specific remedies nor is there a single set. For a broad and adequate outline we know what must be done. When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies - to be met not with cooperation but with conquest, to be subjugated and mastered.

We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community, men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in common effort. We learn to share only a common fear - only a common desire to retreat from each other - only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force. For all this there are no final answers.

Yet we know what we must do. It is to achieve true justice among our fellow citizens. The question is now what programs we should seek to enact. The question is whether we can find in our own midst and in our own hearts that leadership of human purpose that will recognize the terrible truths of our existence.

We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of all. We must admit in ourselves that our own children's future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.


South Carolina church shooter suspect got gun for birthday, uncle says

South Carolina church shooter suspect got gun for birthday, uncle says

The man suspected of fatally shooting nine people at a church in Charleston, South Carolina on Wednesday, was given a gun by his father as a 21st birthday present in April, his uncle told Reuters on Thursday.

Law enforcement officers were at the home of Dylann Roof's mother on Thursday morning, the uncle, Carson Cowles, said in an interview.

The FBI has identified the gunman in the deadly shooting at a Charleston, South Carolina, church as 21-year-old Dylann Roof, the Charleston Post and Courier newspaper said on its website.

Cowles said he recognized Roof in a photo released by police, and described him as quiet and soft-spoken. Roof's father gave him a .45-caliber pistol for his birthday this year, Cowles said. (Reporting by Emily Flitter; Editing by James Dalgleish)


Attention, subjects of the Corporatocracy


Domestic Christian Terrorist Kills 9

Alleged suspect in the #CharlestonShooting has been named as Dylann Roof.

In Charleston, S.C. a domestic terrorist entered the AME church and joined in with the prayers of the African American congregants. The shooter, apparently also a Christian, continued to worship with the group for about an hour before opening fire and killing 9.

It is unclear if the terrorist, a young white man, was motivated to kill the members of the AME church because he has been radicalized by Christian jihadists or because he has been radicalized by white supremacist propaganda.

No word yet whether the perpetrator will be held for trial in America or taken to Guantanamo Bay.


Flag patches in the photo.

The top flag patch is from Apartheid South Africa.

The bottom flag patch is from Colonial Rhodesia.

Both are flags of white minority rule over Africans.

Governor who flies Confederate flag at SC capitol says "we’ll never understand what motivates"

Will South Carolina fly its Confederate flag at half-mast?

SC governor defends Confederate flag at Statehouse: Not ‘a single CEO’ has complained


Wed Jun 17, 2015 at 9:47 PM PT: South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley is similarly mystified about why this might have happened. "While we do not yet know all of the details, we do know that we’ll never understand what motivates anyone to enter one of our places of worship and take the life of another."


UPDATED TO INCLUDE THIS PIC of Dylann Roof accused shooter & his car with "special" plates:

Just a reminder, this is what a manhunt looks like when the suspect is Muslim:

updated to include
handy guide:

Charleston shooter said,"You rape our women and are taking over our country & you have to go."

A survivor told reporters that the gunman reloaded five times during the massacre and ignored the pleas of one man to reconsider killing the worshipers.

“You rape our women and you’re taking over our country — and you have to go,” the terrorist said, according to a survivor.

Investigators released surveillance camera images of the gunman, who is described as 5 feet 9 inches tall, with light brown hair in a bowl cut.

Police said he was wearing a distinctive sweatshirt and driving a vehicle with a distinctive license plate, although they did not elaborate details about either.


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