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The torture program we did not have was extremely important.

“The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome. We’ve closed the book on torture, and we’ve stopped doing it. And the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are. This administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we’re not awesome.”


The torture program we did not have was extremely important.

..adding, if I were one of these guys I'd just be hiding under the couch. Of course, I wouldn't have been one of these guys. Guess it takes a certain kind of person to establish a torture program.

what a shock.....what a shame.....

Reminder For Bushco: There is NO statute of limitations if torture had foreseeable risk of death

There is NO statute of limitations if torture had foreseeable risk of death or serious injury.

The Obama administration could still take measures to hold accountable the officials who authorized torture. Some of the statutes of limitations have run out, but not all of them have. And the release of the Senate’s report provides a blueprint for criminal investigations, even if that’s not what the intelligence committee set out to do.


Reagan On Torture Prosecutions

From his signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984:

"The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution."

My italics. Reagan was admant about prosecuting torture, but also prosecuting inhuman treatment that some might claim was not full-on torture. Now go read National Review or The Weekly Standard. And look what has happened to conservatism in America.


Dick Cheney, you are a Goddamn War Criminal.

Check out what the All-Highest hath wrought, as he dragged our nation through the mud. From pages 44 and 45 of the Senate Report:


PROOF: Without ANY Question Our Government KNEW Torture Was ILLEGAL & They Tortured Anyway

Published December 9, 2014 | By bmaz
CryingJusticeOkay, here are the critical working documents:

The SSCI Torture Report
The Minority Response to SSCI Torture Report
Dianne Feinstein’s Statement

But, without any question, my best early takeaway key is that the United States Government, knew, they bloody well knew, at the highest levels, that what was join on in their citizens’ name, legally constituted torture, that it was strictly illegal. They knew even a “necessity” self defense claim was likely no protection at all. All of the dissembling, coverup, legally insane memos by John Yoo, Jay Bybee et. al, and all the whitewashing in the world cannot now supersede the fact that the United States Government, knowing fully the immorality, and domestic and international illegality, proceeded to install an intentional and affirmative regime of torture.

Here, from page 33 of the Report, is the language establishing the above:

…drafted a letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft asking the Department of Justice for “a formal declination of prosecution, in advance, for any employees of the United States, as well as any other personnel acting on behalf of the United States, who may employ methods in the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah that otherwise might subject those individuals to prosecution. The letter further indicated that “the interrogation team had concluded “that “the use of more aggressive methods is required to persuade Abu Zubaydah to provide the critical information we need to safeguard the lives of innumerable innocent men, women and children within the United States and abroad.” The letter added that these “aggressive methods” would otherwise be prohibited by the torture statute, “apart from potential reliance upon the doctrines of necessity or of self-defense.”

They knew. And our government tortured anyway. Because they were crapping in their pants and afraid instead of protecting and defending the ethos of our country and its Founders.


"I give them a few hundred bucks a month & they use the rooms for whoever I bring over-no ?s asked"


Charles P. Esquire Tells Us What Really Has Bushco Pooping Their Pants: "The CIA Never Forgets"

By Charles P. Pierce on December 9, 2014


To me, the most singular thing about the Senate report is how thoroughly it takes the rest of the executive branch off the hook, which is the same dynamic that Weiner noted about the report of the Church committee. Whenever a scandal like this hits, it seems, the people who give the actual orders, the people who create the climate for the crimes, and, in this case, the people who tortured the Constitution to find a legal justification for torturing human beings, are always invisible. As was the case with the Church commission, I believe, this Senate investigation shrank from demonstrating to the American people the kind of monsters they freely elected. I believe this investigation shrank from the obvious conclusion that the legislative branch fell down on its oversight responsibility and, therefore, to its responsibility to the country. I believe that this investigation shrank from the obvious conclusion that, as regards the investigation's findings, the ultimate conclusion is that democracy committed a kind of suicide. So, as always, the onus for the crimes falls almost always upon the unelected and the faceless.

Perhaps the only truly funny moment in Senator Dianne Feinstein's presentation on Tuesday afternoon was her description about how those crafty CIA spooks so badly misled poor, naive David Addington about what was going on in all those black cells in Poland and Thailand. This is the same David Addington who, according to Jane Mayer, was whipping up enthusiasm for "the program" within the administration with a vigorous campaign of bureaucratic dick-swinging. In her book, The Dark Side, Mayer quotes another Bush administration lawyer's impression of Addington's approach.

Addington pounced on the doubters, deriding them as squishy. "You can't imagine what the dynamic was like in the White House," said another former administration lawyer. "Basically anything less than being as macho as Addington was seen as a sign of weakness. The mood was, 'You can't be sentimental. You have to be cold-eyed.'"

According to Feinstein on Tuesday afternoon, cold-eyed David Addington was kept entirely in the dark by the wicked CIA, which was wildly exceeding its mandate, which presumes there ever was a mandate given to it by these people, which is ludicrous. The way you know it's ludicrous is that George W. Bush, and Richard Cheney, and a whole host of others whose participation in the torture program is completely damning, are now acting out of spectacular ingratitude and excoriating the report that allowed them largely to walk away from their crimes in office. But it's not simply because they are sociopathic liars, many of them, that they are doing this. It is also because they know, by defending the CIA and the criminals within its ranks, they are defending themselves as well, not against the Congress, or against a possible invitation to the Hague, but against the CIA itself. I have to imagine that there are a whole host of field agents out there that are pretty cheesed off about having been hung out to dry this way. I have to imagine that there are a whole host of field agents out there, the ones like that person who was cited in the report, who were destroyed by what they were ordered to do, who are wondering why the demons come out at night for them while the likes of David Addington are sleeping soundly in their beds. And this is one thing of which I am sure, as this awful day comes to a close. Some day, some way, unless it is fundamentally transformed, the CIA will have its revenge on the people who strung it up as a scapegoat today. It is often wrong, but it is never forgetful.


GW Bush: 'I Call On All Governments To Prohibit - Investigate + Prosecute All Acts of Torture'

CIA Flipped Out Behind The Scenes When Bush Said U.S. Would Ban Torture
Posted: 12/09/2014 2:56 pm EST Updated: 15 minutes ago

WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush marked June 26, 2003, the UN International Day in Support of Victims of Torture, with a strong statement spelling out America's commitment to eliminating the scourge from the earth.

"Torture anywhere is an affront to human dignity everywhere," he said, adding, "The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture, and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture."

Behind the scenes, however, the agency tasked with carrying out the Bush administration's torture program had no idea what the president was talking about.

The international community and human rights advocates cheered the president's forceful statement. But within the CIA, the statement set off a panicked response about the future of its program of secret prisons and so-called "enhanced interrogation."


UN human rights expert: US legally obliged to prosecute senior Bush officials for torture crimes

U.N. human rights expert said a report that the U.S. Senate released on Tuesday revealed a “clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration” and called for prosecution of U.S. officials who ordered crimes, including torture, against detainees.

Ben Emmerson, United Nations special rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism, said senior Bush administration officials who planned and authorized crimes must be prosecuted, along with as CIA and other U.S. government officials who committed torture such as waterboarding.

“As a matter of international law, the U.S. is legally obliged to bring those responsible to justice,” Emmerson said in a statement issued in Geneva. “The U.S. Attorney General is under a legal duty to bring criminal charges against those responsible.”

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