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The NSA goes recruiting and walks into some push back from students and professors.

The NSA goes recruiting and walks into some push back from students and professors.

Link goes to a site called "The Mob and the Multitude". Never seen it before, but that post is a great read. via Boing Boing.


Rough Transcript


Me: So adversary –adversaries you actually mean anybody and everybody. There’s nobody then by your definition that is not an adversary. Is that correct?

NSA_F: That is not correct.

Me: Who is not an adversary?

NSA_F: Well, ok. I can answer your questions but the reality is—

Me: No, I’m just trying to get a clarification because you told us what the two nodes of your work are but it’s not clear to me what that encompasses and you’re being fairly unclear at the moment. Apparently it’s somebody who’s not just an enemy. It’s something broader than that. And yet, it doesn’t seem to encompass everyone.

NSA_M: So for us, umm, our business is apolitical. Ok. We do not generate the intelligence requirements. They are levied on us so, if there is a requirement for foreign intelligence concerning this issue or this region or whatever then that is. If you wanna use the word adversary, you ca– we might use the word ‘target.’ That is what we are going after. That is the intelligence target that we are going after because we were given that requirement. Whether that’s adversary in a global war on terrorism sense or adversary in terms of national security interests or whatever – that’s for policymakers, I guess to make that determination. We respond to the requirements we are given, if that helps. And there’s a separation. As language analysts, we work on the SIG INT side of the house. We don’t really work on the information assurance (?) side of the house. That’s the guy setting up, protecting our communications.

Me: I’m just surprised that for language analysts, you’re incredibly imprecise with your language. And it just doesn’t seem to be clear. So, adversary is basically what any of your so-called “customers”as you call them –which is also a strange term to use for a government agency– decide if anybody wants, any part of the government wants something about some country, suddenly they are now internally considered or termed an ‘adversary.’ That’s what you seem to be saying.



the rest (fascinating, mho)

and this from STUDENT B:

Yeah, and I love the bit where the student (Student B) says

"How do you feel about your boss lying to Congress?"

& the NSA guy says "Clapper isn't out boss."

Student B: "General Alexander lied too."

NSA guy: "I don't know about that"

and Student B without missing a beat says:

" Probably because access to the Guardian is restricted on the NSA’s computers. I am sure they don’t encourage people like you to actually think about these things.

Way to go Student B!

and a TERRIFIC ending:

NSA_M: This job is not for everybody. Academia is a great career for people with language.

Me: So is this job for liars? Is this what you’re saying? Because, clearly, you’re not able to give us forthright answers. Given the way the way the NSA has behaved, given the fact that we’ve been lied to as Americans, given the fact that fact sheets have been pulled down because they clearly had untruths in them, given the fact that Clapper and Alexander lied to Congress — is that a qualification for being in the NSA? Do you have to be a good liar?

EAT UNION: Shopping List-4th of July

You’re all such good cooks you probably already planned and shopped for the Fourth of July, but here’s union-made you can buy:

Hot dogs
• Ball Park
• Boar’s Head
• Foster Farms
• Hebrew National
• Hofmann
• Oscar Mayer
• Hormel
• Farmland
• Koegel’s
• Gianelli (UFCW)
• Kroger brand (UFCW)
• French’s and Guldens Mustard (UFCW)
• Heinz Ketchup and Catsup (UFCW)
• Lucky Whip
• Hidden Valley Ranch
• Sara Lee (UFCW)
• Oroweat
• Arnold
• Stroehmann
Soda & Bottled Water:
• Barq’s Rootbeer, Coke , and Sprite products (UFCW)
• Pepsi
• American Springs and Poland Springs Water (UFCW)
• Pocono Northern Fall’s Water
• Bud Light (UFCW)
• Budweiser
• Michelob
• Miller
• Milwaukee’s Best
• Rolling Rock
• Goose Island
Snacks & Desserts:
• Breyers & Good Humor Ice Cream (UFCW)
• Flips pretzels
• Frito-Lay Chips
• Solo cups
• Weber Q grills
• Igloo coolers

more, plus beer list:

not so subtle graphs of what is wrong with our coverage of NSA Spying story...

You can play around with the graph here, and the trends don’t change substantially if you try “NSA” instead of “National Security Agency” or look at how the whole world is searching rather than just Americans.

To take another example, here’s how “Snowden” stacks up with “PRISM,” the secret surveillance program that was exposed by the Guardian and The Washington Post in early June:


Egypt's Morsi 'Told He Is No Longer President'

Fresh presidential and parliamentary elections are to be announced in Egypt amid reports that Mohamed Morsi has been told he is no longer in charge of the country.

Egypt's state-run Al-Ahram newspaper reported on its website that the army told Mr Mursi at 7pm (6pm UK time) that he was no longer head of state, quoting a presidential source.

The country's leading Muslim and Christian clerics and opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei will shortly unveil the details of a political road map for a short transitional period followed by new national polls, state news agency MENA reported.


James Clapper Says He FORGOT About the Patriot Act

James Clapper Says He Forgot About the Patriot Act
Posted on Jul 3, 2013

“I apologize,” James Clapper wrote in a letter to a Senate panel.

James Clapper, the mendacious national intelligence director who last month told NBC News that he gave the “least untruthful answer” in a March Senate hearing about the extent of government spying on U.S. citizens revised that assessment to “erroneous” Tuesday.

The most senior intelligence officer in the country wants Americans to believe he suffered a memory lapse when he gave the answer to Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden. Wyden had asked Clapper, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” Clapper responded, “No, sir … not wittingly.”

Clapper wrote in letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee published Tuesday that he “simply didn’t think” of the NSA programs of dragnet phone surveillance when he testified in March that the agency did “not wittingly” spy on Americans’ communications. He said “his staff acknowledged the error to Senator Wyden’s staff soon after the hearing,” and that he “can now openly correct it because the existence” of a portion of the government’s surveillance program “has been declassified.”

Portions of the letter were reported by The Washington Post on Monday.

—Posted by Alexander Reed Kelly.

The Guardian:

In the full letter, Clapper attempted to explain the false testimony by saying that his recollection failed him. “I simply didn’t think of Section 215 of the Patriot Act,” he wrote to committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (Democrat, California) on 21 June, referring to the legal provision cited to justify the mass collection of Americans’ phone data, first disclosed by the Guardian.


Let them secede and then invade them for their oil.

I am just trying to imagine Bolivia stopping a plane with our American President on it...

A senior Bolivian diplomat said the Austrians had acted at the bidding of the United States, which has been trying to get its hands on Snowden since he revealed details of its secret surveillance programs last month.

"We're talking about the president on an official trip after an official summit being kidnapped," Bolivia's ambassador to the United Nations, Sacha Llorenti Soliz, told reporters in Geneva.

The Bolivian plane, which was taking Morales home from an energy conference in Moscow, was stranded at Vienna airport for several hours after Portugal and France refused to allow it to fly through their airspace.

The search found that Snowden was not onboard and the plane eventually left Vienna about noon on Wednesday.




Ecuador says it found a hidden microphone at its London embassy


Bolivian Minister: President Morales' Plane Rerouted to Austria on Suspicion Snowden on Board.

Source: ABC

Bolivian Minister: President Morales' Plane Rerouted to Austria on Suspicion Snowden on Board.

LA PAZ, Bolivia July 3, 2013 (AP)


Bolivian minister: President Morales' plane rerouted to Austria on suspicion Snowden on board.

MOSCOW — NSA leaker Edward Snowden's prospects for political asylum abroad narrowed rapidly Tuesday after he withdrew his request to Russia and almost half of the 21 countries on his request list have turned him down.

Meantime, France and Portugal refused to let a plane carrying Bolivian President Evo Morales into their airspace because of suspicions that Snowden, a former National Security Agency contractor, was on board. The plane was rerouted to Austria, said Bolivian foreign minister David Choquehuanca. The official denied Snowden was on board.

"We don't know who invented this lie, but we want to denounce to the international community this injustice with the plane of President Evo Morales," Choquehuanca said.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/bolivian-minister-president-morales-plane-rerouted-austria-suspicion-19559789#.UdNw5jtzGpA

CNN-the chyron really just says it all, doesn’t it?

apparently, thanks to the recent developments in the Zimmerman trial, CNN actually had a discussion that produced this screencap:

geeeze, kp
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