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The land is NOT OURS to exploit:

What we need is a real alternative to the Neoliberal order that can sustain itself. The real original settlers of this continent are the Native Americans, not the pilgrims who you read about in school. And while you heard a lot in school about various ancient civilizations like the Egyptians, the Greeks, and the Romans, the Native Americans build societies that lasted over 13,000+ years. Tribes and societies were highly diverse, so it is difficult to generalize too much; however, one thing they all had in common was the belief that the land is not ours to exploit:

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children."
--Ancient Indian Proverb

"The American Indian is of the soil, whether it be the region of forests, plains, pueblos, or mesas. He fits into the landscape, for the hand that fashioned the continent also fashioned the man for his surroundings. He once grew as naturally as the wild sunflowers, he belongs just as the buffalo belonged..." --Luther Standing Bear

"What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?" -Massasoit

"One does not sell the land people walk on." -
-Crazy Horse

"We do not own the freshness of the air or the sparkle of the water. How can you buy them from us?"

"My reason teaches me that land cannot be sold. The Great Spirit gave it to his children to live upon. So long as they occupy and cultivate it, they have a right to the soil. Nothing can be sold but such things as can be carried away"
--Black Hawk

"We know our lands have now become more valuable. The white people think we do not know their value; but we know that the land is everlasting, and the few goods we receive for it are soon worn out and gone."
-- Canassatego

"I love this land and the buffalo and will not part with it…I have heard you intend to settle us on a reservation near the mountains. I don't want to settle. I love to roam over the prairies. There I feel free and happy, but when we settle down we grow pale and die. A long time ago this land belonged to our fathers, but when I go up to the river I see camps of soldiers on its banks. These soldiers cut down my timber, they kill my buffalo and when I see that, my heart feels like bursting." -- Satanta, Kiowa Chief

"If we ever owned the land we own it still, for we never sold it. In the treaty councils the commissioners have claimed that our country had been sold to the government. Suppose a white man should come to me and say, Joseph, I like your horses, and I want to buy them. Then he goes to my neighbor and says to him; Joseph's horses. I want to buy them, but he refuses to sell. My neighbor answers, Pay me the money and I will sell you Joseph's horses. The white man returns to me, and says, Joseph, I have bought your horses and you must let me have them. If we sold our lands to the government, this is the way they were bought." --Chief Joseph-Nez Perce

"They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one: they promised to take our land and they took it. It was not hard to see that the white people coveted every inch of land on which we lived. Greed. Humans wanted the last bit of ground which supported Indian feet. It was land - it has ever been land - for which the White man oppresses the Indian and to gain possession of which he commits any crime. Treaties that have been made are vain attempts to save a little of the fatherland, treaties holy to us by the smoke of the pipe - but nothing is holy to the white man. Little by little, with greed and cruelty unsurpassed by the animal, he has taken all. The loaf is gone and now the white man wants the crumbs."
--Luther Standing Bear


.....if it was doing that to machines, what was it doing to humans?

Flint water probe may unleash flood of findings on mistakes


One of the most telling moments in this saga was when General Motors disconnected from the Flint River because the water was ruining its machinery, leaving some to wonder — if it was doing that to machines, what was it doing to humans?

Critics contend that red flag alone should have motivated the administration to redouble its due diligence to get to the bottom of this.


Flint River is one of the filthiest rivers in Michigan. Over the years, it has housed raw sewage, tires, old refrigerators — which residents have attempted to sift out — and lead. In spite of this, officials declared it safe to drink in April 2014, when they switched the supply to the tainted river. Shortly after the April switch, residents complained the water emitted a foul odor and was cloudy in appearance, but local and state officials insisted the water was safe. In spite of these assurances, in January 2015, MLive reported the State Department of Environmental Quality had “issued a notice of violation of the Safe Drinking Water Act for maximum contaminant levels for trihalomethanes — or TTHM — a group of four chemicals that are formed as a byproduct of disinfecting water.” These chemical byproducts are linked to cancer and other diseases, and presented a separate issue from the lead. The water was so dirty that in October 2014, General Motors announced it would no longer use treated Flint River water at its engine plant out of fears it would cause corrosion.


‘Donald Trump totally thinks I’m a Muslim’: Atheist hammers Trump on proposed Muslim ban

“What would your reaction be if Hillary Clinton said the same thing about Christian immigrants following the Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado,” Mehta implored. “Which non-white Christian group will you want to ban next? Do you realize how much other countries are making fun of us? Do you realize how much other countries are horrified by us?”

Mehta also asked a key question. How would anyone know if someone trying to enter the U.S. is Muslim or not? He wanted to know how Trump’s immigration officials would know the difference between Muslims and people of other faiths, or even how they’d know whether people were being truthful.

He also pointed out that Trump’s anti-Muslim rhetoric only bolsters terrorist groups like ISIS by alienating Muslim people and fomenting toxic rhetoric.

“Is Muslim just code for brown people?” Mehta asked. “Am I a Muslim? Donald Trump totally thinks I’m a Muslim.”


How can we continue to sing America The Beautiful?

The Song No Longer Rings True

The sky still blue and spacious
our fields grow golden grains
snow capped mountains
are still viewed in placid reflecting pools
fruits and nuts are upon our trees
but as for brotherhood between the seas
the good has become harder to find
our light has dimmed

They came seeking relief from religious oppression
only to convert and pervert what they found
their freedom meant
the abolishment of the ways of
the new world they had come to
with violence and death
taking more land
there was no self control
no liberty
no real law other than
might made right
for the new people did not honor their god
and were deserving of death

These were not heroes
they did not liberate the peoples of this new land
they showed no mercy
there was nothing noble or divine in their treatment
not of the peoples
nor of the lands that they found

They had a dream
of great alabaster cities
built them
but today
these are filled with empty dilapidated buildings
the homeless
and the violence that built them
tears run down the cheeks
of mothers and fathers losing their sons and daughters
tears are shed by the victims
of the religious extremism that was seeded in those early times

How can we continue to sing America The Beautiful?


Christmas card.


Not Enough Coal

Hey EVERYONE, Let's Listen To The Kids THIS Time.




Merry Christmas?


Want to know what goes on at Trump rallys?

OMG - Can't believe WE allow this to happen

Huckabee Says Voters Will Abandon GOP

Huckabee Says Voters Will Abandon GOP

Mike Huckabee said that the Republican Party is at risk of losing its members if lawmakers continue to make decisions that ignore their values, The Hill reports.

Said Huckabee: “You sense it on the campaign trail. One of the things you see is a seething rage… The Republicans folded. That’s why people in the Republican Party are just bolting for the door.”

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