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Steve Bell on the Senate report on CIA torture – cartoon


Presenting: The Torture Architects

"I think I speak for everyone on team Wyden, when I say "Go the fuck ahead."

Former Wyden Aide Calls Out Michael Hayden In Torture Dispute


Naturally, Wyden's close associates weren't pleased to see Hayden try and drag him down as he grappled for a lifeline in the aftermath of the torture report's release. Wyden's former top spokeswoman, Jennifer Hoelzer, emailed over the following:

1. That's really fucking offensive given that all of Ron's statements are directed towards informing the American people and exposing the (intelligence community’s) attempts to mislead, while Hayden's all about the lying/misleading.

2 - While I'm no longer Ron's official spokesperson, I think I speak for everyone on team Wyden, when I say "Go the fuck ahead."

Hayden “is literally attempting to mislead people about the veracity of Wyden's statement while being asked about his propensity to mislead," Hoelzer added. "I really hope this report -- at the very minimum -- results in no one, ever again, believing a word that comes out of that man's mouth.”


The road from 9/11 to Ferguson

Defense lawyer and police watchdog Walter Katz has written an important post that illuminates a sense that a lot of us have about all this: the United States has a culture of impunity for anyone at the top of the social hierarchy. He specifically delineates the through line from the torture regime of the Bush administration to the rather recent acknowledgement that police on the streets of America are literally getting away with murder. It's a fascinating timeline of events showing how 9/11 opened the door to the gloves coming off in more ways than one, not the least of which was this notion that the whole world is a battlefield, including the streets of America. The sight of those tanks rolling through Ferguson Missouri made that very real:


Abu Ghraib 29 by Fernando Botero

When hijacked airliners slammed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and an empty Pennsylvania field in 2001 everyone knew that the United States was changed forever. We had no idea, though, that what we are told are our essential values would be surrendered. Now thirteen years on we are left with a legacy of wars, deceit, torture and a massive erosion of our basic liberties.

Katz concludes his 9/11 to Ferguson timeline with this observation:

In each of these instances there was an act of state violence which has literally led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians and lifelong physical and emotional scars for those who were “merely tortured” or willingly served our country. At the very most, only low-level participants are prosecuted and only rarely so. In the meantime, poor civilians are nickle and dimed for traffic tickets which they can only pay off by filling jail cells and a 12-year old boy is gunned down by an unstable cop for goofing around with a pellet gun. At the lower level of society, there is zero tolerance for the slightest transgression but for those in power – even a young beat cop – there is impunity.

And he quotes Isabel Allende:

I fear abuse of power, and the power to abuse. In our species, the alpha males define reality, and force the rest of the pack to accept that reality and follow the rules. The rules change all the time, but they always benefit them, and in this case, the trickle-down effect, which does not work in economics, works perfectly. Abuse trickles down from the top of the ladder to the bottom.

Authoritarians know this instinctively. It's the rest of us who have to keep learning the lesson over and over again.


The War Prayer, by Mark Twain



Udall Discloses Classified Info to Prove CIA Is Lying

Sen. Mark Udall, Bashing CIA, Reveals Classified Findings on Interrogation Program“The CIA is lying,” the Colorado Democrat said on the Senate floor Wednesday.


“In a career-defining speech, Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO) took to the Senate floor Wednesday to disclose classified information regarding an internal CIA investigation into the agency’s Bush-era ‘enhanced interrogation techniques,'” National Journal reports.

Udall “began revealing key conclusions from the so-called Panetta Review, written in 2011 and named after then-CIA Director Leon Panetta. Udall says that the Panetta Review gives evidence that the CIA is still lying about the scope of enhanced interrogation techniques used during the Bush administration.”

the rest:http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/sen-mark-udall-bashing-cia-reveals-classified-findings-on-interrogation-program-20141210

They know....

Cheney and bush have put every American in danger.


Last night, Congress finally agreed on a spending bill to fund the government for the next year. Digging into the bill I found this on pg. 1353:

11 Sec. 7066. (a) None of the funds made available in
12 this act may be used to support or justify the use of tor-
13 ture, cruel, or inhumane treatment by any official or con-
14 tract employee of the United States Government.

It is utterly depressing that we need to include this in a law dictating how taxpayer funds will be used, but as the torture report release makes clear, it is absolutely necessary.


The torture program we did not have was extremely important.

“The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome. We’ve closed the book on torture, and we’ve stopped doing it. And the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are. This administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we’re not awesome.”


The torture program we did not have was extremely important.

..adding, if I were one of these guys I'd just be hiding under the couch. Of course, I wouldn't have been one of these guys. Guess it takes a certain kind of person to establish a torture program.

what a shock.....what a shame.....

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