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Chris Hayes Asks: "What Has ‘Killing Our Way Out of It’ Actually Accomplished?"

Chris Hayes Defends Harf: What Has ‘Killing Our Way Out of It’ Actually Accomplished?
by Josh Feldman | 8:34 pm, February 18th, 2015 VIDEO

State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf got in some hot water this week for saying the U.S. can’t simply just “kill our way out of this war” with ISIS. She has since twice defended her comments, and now MSNBC’s Chris Hayes is defending her by saying the U.S. has been trying to “kill our way out” quite often in the past few years, and asked what that has actually accomplished.

Hayes first noted that her remarks “would seem to be obviously true” before playing clips of George W. Bush when he was president. And after playing video of Fox News up in arms over Harf’s remarks, Hayes brought up example after example of the consequences of American action in multiple nations (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.) before observing, “It seems like we’ve been doing an awful lot of killing our way out of this situation for an awfully long time, and what does the world look like?”

He continued:

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result. So at what point do we say that what the U.S. has been doing for 14 years without cessation is not working?”


Quarter of Americans Convinced Sun Revolves Around Earth, Survey Finds

"Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth?"

If you answered the latter, you're among a quarter of Americans who also got it wrong, according to a new report by the National Science Foundation.

A survey of 2,200 people that was released Friday revealed some alarming truths about the state of science education across the country, with many failing to an answer even the most basic astronomy and science questions, according to a release about the survey.

Out of nine questions in the survey, participants scored an average 6.5.

Only 39 percent answered correctly with "true" when asked if "The universe began with a huge explosion," while only 48 percent knew that "Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals," according to the statement.


A Clown, A Jerk, And 9/11

Rudy Giuliani is still a terrible person, just in case you forgot that fact for a sec:

“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”


Misfit vs. Terrorist


Hillary & Elizabeth (may spoil your appetite)

"good dog"

The Bushes: One family, multiple scandals, one phrase

In 1986, then-Vice President George H.W. Bush offered an unsatisfying, passive-voice explanation for the Iran-Contra scandal in which the Reagan administration sold weapons to Iran in order to finance an illegal war on Nicaragua.

“Clearly, mistakes were made,” Bush said.

In 2004, then-President George W. Bush offered an eerily similar unsatisfying, passive-voice explanation for the Abu Ghraib scandal, in which U.S. officials tortured detainees at an Iraqi prison:

“It’s also important for the people of Iraq to know that in a democracy, everything is not perfect, that
mistakes are made,”
Bush said.

In 2015, former Gov. Jeb Bush offered a practically identical, unsatisfying, passive-voice explanation for his brother’s catastrophic war in Iraq, launched under false pretenses, and bungled every step of the way.

“Let’s go to Iraq,” Bush said during the Q&A at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.
“There were mistakes made
in Iraq, for sure.”


The scariest chart you will see this week. Maybe this decade, if things go sideways ...


Jeb Bush’s advisers: Wolfowitz, Chertoff, Hadley, Porter Goss, Michael Hayden (What could go wrong?)

Bush is casting a wide net for advice on national security. An aide provided to Reuters a diverse list of 20 diplomatic and national security veterans who will be providing informal advice to Bush in the coming months.

Many of them are from past Republican administrations, including those of his father and brother as well as that of Ronald Reagan.

The list includes people representing a wide spectrum of ideological views in the Republican Party, from the pragmatic to the hawkish. It includes James Baker, known for his pragmatism in key roles during the Reagan and George H.W. Bush presidencies, and former World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz, a hawk as deputy defense secretary who was an architect of George W. Bush's Iraq policy.

Among others are two former secretaries of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge and Michael Chertoff, former national security adviser Stephen Hadley and a deputy national security adviser, Meghan O'Sullivan, as well as two former CIA directors, Porter Goss and Michael Hayden.


My favorite cartoon from the time before the war.

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