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Why isn't this in our standard history books?


and we wonder why we are confused about Syria.....?

Former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani:

"The people have been the target of a chemical attack by their own government and now they must also wait for an attack by foreigners."


The Iranian news agency that reported this, later changed his quote.

The second version by the semi-official Iranian Labour News Agency reported him as saying on Sunday:

"On the one hand the people of Syria are the target of a chemical attack, and now they must wait for an attack by foreigners."


so where is the truth


Some In Congress Start To Whine About Being Put On The Spot


Your seat in Congress comes with special responsibilities.
Now go justify your $174k paycheck and make a tough call.


The Precedent Has Been Challenged-A Great Move That Throws Hammer Into Gears Of Imperial-Presidency

But this is a great move that really throws a hammer into the gears of the Imperial Presidency.

We've lobbed cruise missiles into lots of countries since Reagan started it by bombing Libya back in 1986. No congressional approval. Clinton lobbed cruise missiles into Baghdad three times (to retaliate for the assassination attempt on Bush the Larger in 93, to defend our no-fly zones in 96, and to punish Saddam for not complying with chemical weapons inspections in 98). He also lobbed 'em into Sudan and Afghanistan in 98, and into Bosnia and Kosovo, and sent troops into Somalia and Haiti.


And that's just Clinton. All the presidents have done it. All without Congressional approval.

Now that precedent has been challenged. Great politics for Obama in the moment, but even better for the future.


Bush's Poodle Has Been Called Many Things But Now-The Most Damning Judgement Of All-"HE IS THE PAST"

Syria vote: a corner has been turned on the road to peace
It is now clear, as indeed it was in 2003, that most people have no wish to embroil Britain militarily in the Middle East

Thursday's vote by MPs to bar the way to British involvement in a war against Syria is a vindication of the mass anti-war movement in this country over the last decade. Parliamentarians of all parties claimed that they had "learned the lessons of Iraq". Better late than never, of course. But the millions who protested against the Bush-Blair aggression in 2003 understood the lessons at the time. After hundreds of thousands of dead in the intervening years, their message has reached the green benches: there is hardly a problem in the Middle East (or elsewhere) that Anglo-US military intervention cannot make worse.

This is the case in Syria, too, where the crying need is not for more bombing by anybody, but for a concerted drive for a Syrian-based political solution. The starting points have to include the west abandoning its cynical policy of basically prolonging a civil war which it wants neither side to win.

The seeds of Cameron's defeat were sown in February 2003, when about 2 million people marched against the Iraq war, only to have Tony Blair ignore them. That democratic outrage has hung over British politics as a cloud ever since and has, along with MPs expenses and the failures of neoliberalism but more serious than either, condemned politicians to the pillory of public disdain.


Blair himself cuts a bizarre figure – the "Middle East peace envoy" who urges war in the region on every conceivable occasion, as he bobs around the Mediterranean on an oligarch's yacht. He has been called many things, but today at last we can deliver the most damning judgment of all. He is the past.


Oh Snap…! The Syrian Opposition Vows to Join Ranks with Assad if US Attacks Syria

Oh Snap…! The Syrian Opposition Vows to Join Ranks with Assad if US Attacks Syria

A senior Syrian opposition figure warned Washington that all its
interests in the region will be attacked by battalions of suicide
bombers formed by the Syrian opposition forces if it dares to attack
Syria, stressing that homeland is more important to the dissidents than
opposition to the government.

“Although, we are among the Syrian government’s opposition forces, we
assume our homeland’s interests to be more important than any other
interest and therefore, we have formed a number of battalions to conduct
suicide operations and target the US interests in the Middle-East,”
Secretary-General of al-Shabab Party Mahir Marhaj told FNA on Saturday.
He blasted the US and its allies’ warmongering policies and threats,
and said, “We in al-Shabab party are highly prepared to confront any war
against Syria.”


Obama's Speech: 'One of the most important Rose Garden addresses in history of modern presidency'

War and peace in a democracy
Sunday, September 01, 2013 | Posted by Liberal Librarian at 7:30 AM


President Barack Obama conducted one of the most important Rose Garden addresses in the history of the modern Presidency.

Taking the baton from his Secretary of State John Kerry, he again laid out, in forceful, passionate language, the situation as it was in Syria. He explained that the intelligence community had concluded with great certainty that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical attacks in contested areas of Damascus the week before. He passionately argued that American values and national interest dictated that Assad's regime be punished militarily for the use of those chemical weapons against civilians. He stated that the military had assets in place and was ready to go at any time.

And then he did something no modern president had done. Even though he believed he had the authority to act, he knew that this was a divisive issue, and that the people's representatives had to join in the decision. He called for Congress to debate and vote on a resolution granting him specific authority to militarily strike Assad for violating international treaties banning the use of chemical weaponry, some of the oldest weapons conventions in international law. He had heard the rumblings from Congress saying that he had to seek approval before any strike, and agreed.


In one Rose Garden statement, Barack Obama brought these issues into sharp focus. He's not just Commander in Chief; he's President of the world's oldest constitutional democracy. That democracy deserves to have its voice heard. Life and death cannot be decided by his fiat; the overpaid and reticent members of Congress have to be forced to accept responsibilities they have long shirked. There is no escape for them; they will choose either action or inaction, and own their decision. And that's as it should be in a democracy. Just as Congress voted for the AUMF after 9/11, under which the drone program operates, so must Congress have a voice in an action which promises so much peril. Syria is not Libya; a hornet's nest awaits, and the people's representatives should own the consequences, as the Constitution stipulates.

What the President did was call the nation to a serious discussion of what constitutes the national interest. I only hope that this so-far feckless Congress is up to the gravity of the situation.



It’s one of those terrific examples of good politics and good policy. On the former, the American public clearly endorses the idea of Congress giving its approval before military strikes begin. On the latter, at the risk of putting too fine a point on this, Obama’s move away from unilateralism reflects how our constitutional, democratic system of government is supposed to work.



President Obama (I know some here think I do not like him) has renewed my faith with this historic decision. I am hopeful, but I will still be watching. I am not an anarchist (as some here may think), I am an archivist (that is what mr. pete calls me). I am many other things too, mom, daughter, friend, art activist and bla, bla, bla, bla, bla., etc. etc.

Mostly, after 62 years on earth, I want peace,
just peace,

40% Of Americans Now Make Less Than 1968 Minimum Wage

Economist Dean Baker describes one effect of this in Minimum Wage: Who Decided Workers Should Fall Behind?

“If the minimum wage had risen in step with productivity growth (since 1968), it would be over $16.50 an hour today. That is higher than the hourly wages earned by 40 percent of men and half of women.”

Baker is referring to this CEPR study: The Minimum Wage and Economic Growth.

40% Of Americans Now Make Less Than 1968 Minimum Wage

Read what Baker wrote again. The minimum wage would be $16.50 an hour — $33,000 a year — if it had kept up with the growth of productivity since 1968. To put the effect of this a different way, 40% of Americans now make less than the 1968 minimum wage, had the minimum wage kept pace with productivity gains.

To put this even another way, the average American’s living standard would be much, much higher today if wages had not decoupled from productivity gains – with the gains all going to the 1% instead of being shared by We, the People. If wages had kept pace we wouldn’t feel the terrible squeeze that everyone in the middle class is feeling. (Never mind what has happened to those below the middle class.)

This is one more way to understand the effect of income and wealth inequality on each of us. The 1%/99% thing is real. When you hear that the 6 Walmart heirs have more wealth than 1/3 (or more) of all Americans combined, it is real. When you hear that the people on the Forbes list of the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined, it is real.

And the effects on the rest of us are real.


The House Already Voted on Syria (including regime change) but they won't breathe a word of it now.

a very good, comprehensive, names, names - DK post:
HERE: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/01/1235478/-The-House-Already-Voted-on-Syria-including-regime-change-but-they-won-t-breathe-a-word-of-it-now

Phil Ochs: Cops of the world

Phil Ochs
Come, get out of the way, boys
Quick, get out of the way
You'd better watch what you say, boys
Better watch what you say
We've rammed in your harbor and tied to your port
And our pistols are hungry and our tempers are short
So bring your daughters around to the port
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World
We pick and choose as please, boys
Pick and choose as please
You'd best get down on your knees, boys
Best get down on your knees
We're hairy and horny and ready to shack
And we don't care if you're yellow or black
Just take off your clothes and lay down on your back
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World
Our boots are needing a shine, boys
Boots are needing a shine
But our Coca-Cola is fine, boys
Coca-Cola is fine
We've got to protect all our citizens fair
So we'll send a battalion for everyone there
And maybe we'll leave in a couple of years
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World
And dump the reds in a pile, boys
Dump the reds in a pile
You'd better wipe off that smile, boys
Better wipe off that smile
We'll spit through the streets of the cities we wreck
And we'll find you a leader that you can't elect
Those treaties we signed were a pain in the neck
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World
And clean the johns with a rag, boys
Clean the johns with a rag
If you like you can use your flag, boys
If you like you can use your flag
We've got too much money we're looking for toys
And guns will be guns and boys will be boys
But we'll gladly pay for all we destroy
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World
Please stay off of the grass, boys
Please stay off of the grass
Here's a kick in the ass, boys
Here's a kick in the ass
We'll smash down your doors, we don't bother to knock
We've done it before, so why all the shock
We're the biggest and the toughest kids on the block
And we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World
And when we butchered your sons, boys
When we butchered your sons
Have a stick of our gum, boys
Have a stick of our bubble gum
We own half the world, oh say can you see
And the name for our profits is democracy
So, like it or not, you will have to be free
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

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