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"No one's looking out for the white guy anymore."

Are Trump supporters THIS willfully stupid?

Rhett Benhoff, a middle-aged white man at a December Trump campaign event in Raleigh, North Carolina, said discrimination against whites is "absolutely" real.

"I mean, it seems like we really go overboard to make sure all these other nationalities nowadays and colors have their fair shake of it, but no one's looking out for the white guy anymore," he said.

Among Trump supporters, suspicion and anger toward the Black Lives Matter movement run deep. These people say the group's name and slogan seem to convey that black lives are more important than white lives.

"I think it's bulls---," said Ziegler, the 61-year-old diehard Trump fan who attended his Columbus, Ohio, rally. "All lives matter. You know this is bulls---- about black lives matter -- doesn't all lives matter?"

It's the last word in Trump's now-ubiquitous campaign slogan -- "Make America Great Again" -- that seems to have touched a nerve. Recent polls show that white people increasingly feel that the American Dream is out of reach, and a sizable group of white Americans feel they are subjected to racial discrimination -- a perception of the white experience shared by few minorities.

Almost half of whites -- 47% -- said in a November CNN/Kaiser Family Foundation survey that there is discrimination against whites, far more than the share of blacks and Hispanics who said the same.

And just over half of whites said they did not support the Black Lives Matter movement. Whereas 86% of blacks said the justice system was tilted toward white people, only 48% of whites said the same.

At the Trump rally in Myrtle Beach, where signs that read "silent majority" dotted the crowd, Patricia Saunders told CNN that Trump is speaking directly to a segment of the population that feels left behind and marginalized.

"White Americans founded this country," said Saunders, 64. "We are being pushed aside because of the President's administration and the media."

Ah, yes, Patty . . . . because those six corporations that own all the media have totally been on the President's side these past 8 years.

Explain This To Me Like I'm A Complete Idiot, Part 16: "Exceptional", just like everyone else?

Real quick:

Conservatives have two philosophies when it comes to economic success:

"Not all men are created equal, despite what the Declaration of Independence tells you."

"Anyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps, learn to take risks and succeed on their own!"

OK. So, what's the message here?

"Most of you are going to be cogs while a few of you are going to be exceptionally successful. But if you fail at being a cog (or, more likely, your role as a cog has been forcibly removed), then the solution is to be individually exceptional, good luck."??

In one breath, they're telling me that someone like Carly Fiorina is more worthy than thou and we suck; but, despite the fact that we suck, the solution is for us to be innovative risk takers (like Carly, lolz), which apparently requires special vaguely-stated skills and mysterious intangibles to see through?

Gee, thanks. I never thought of that before.

If "anyone can be successful", how's come so few people are? Does it revolve around traits that the successful know of and for us to never find out about?

And if wealthy conservatives truly wanted everyone to be successful, then how would that square with statement number one? How would that phenomena make them "exceptional"?

Explain this to me like I'm a complete idiot because I don't get it.

"Because you likely have a better chance at this than ever seeing a retirement in the 21st Century!"

UN. BELIEVABLE. McGinty: "Tamir Pulled His Replica on Police"

In likely one of the most despicable pieces of building-sized bullshit to emerge from this travesty, Timothy McGinty is now stating grainy security footage of Tamir Rice's 0.79 second murder by Timothy Loehmann was justified because Tamir was apparently the fastest draw in Cleveland or anywhere.

The evidence shows that the 12-year-old boy grabbed a plastic replica gun from his waistband in the moment before a police officer fatally shot him outside a recreation center, McGinty told cleveland.com on Tuesday.

He has called the evidence "indisputable."

Assistant County Prosecutor Matthew Meyer explained how frame-by-frame analysis of surveillance video handled by Grant Fredericks of Forensic Video Solutions in Spokane, Washington revealed crucial facts about the November 2014 shooting at Cudell Recreation Center.

It came down to a small point of contrast seen just after officer Timothy Loehmann shot Tamir.

"You can actually see the gun after Tamir gets shot," Meyer said. "There's a point of contrast on the film that you can see, after collapses to the ground, the point of contrast appears on the concrete gazebo floor that had not been there before."

That point of contrast, prosecutors said, is the replica Colt 1911 that Tamir was seen aiming at people in the hours before someone called 911.

About 40 seconds after the gun appears on the gazebo floor, Loehmann's partner, Frank Garmback, walks to it and kicks it out of the way, Meyer said.

"The significance of that is this: for it to have fallen on the ground, it would have had to have been in Tamir's hand, which means he would have had to have pulled that gun out," he said. "Both officers had their weapons drawn on Tamir even though we know in hindsight he wasn't a real threat to them, which indicates they saw a gun or what they thought was a gun."

The images corroborated the written statement Loehmann recited to the grand jury, McGinty said.

"You could actually see draw his gun on this film," McGinty said. "We could not see it in the muddied film."

A grand jury declined to charge Loehmann and Garmback after McGinty recommended against an indictment.

"We knew that ethically there couldn't be a trial in this case," he said.

Subodh Chandra, one of a team of lawyers representing the Rice family in a civil lawsuit against the city, department and the officers, said it is debatable whether Tamir is seen pulling the gun out of his waistband.

"That is hotly disputed," he said. "The prosecutor is literally just making that up. He's making it up to try to sell the public on what he's done. That is not true that it's undisputed."

Sorry There Ain't No Better Way of Puttin' It:

Racism doesn't usually look like someone shouting slurs, it looks like people eagerly looking for a reason why a black kid deserved to die. - Lou Schumacher

Plain Dealer: Why we turned off comments on Tamir Rice news stories

Likely because inviting 1,000 more creative ways to say "I hate (insert racial slur here)s" kinda gets old after a while.

And, unironically, the comments ARE turned on for this article, in case you wanted to see just how many Klansmen and AB members exist here in Northeast Ohio.

So why, a lot of you have asked, have we chosen to turn off all comments on stories about Tamir Rice?

The simple answer is that we don't fancy our website as a place of hate, and the Tamir Rice story has been a magnet for haters.

We tried to maintain the conversation. The Tamir Rice case offers lessons for Greater Cleveland, and hashing out those lessons in an online community forum could be a healthy exercise. A lot of people firmly believe the police broke the law when they shot Tamir, but others feel just as strongly that the shooting was justified. Passions are strong, and because our comments section could provide a place for venting, we allowed comments on Tamir stories for months. We enlisted a small army on our staff to monitor the comments and delete any that violated our standards.

The trouble was that we couldn't keep up. Just about every piece we published about Tamir immediately became a cesspool of hateful, inflammatory or hostile comments. Rather than discuss the facts of the case, many commenters debased the conversation with racist invective. Or they made absurd statements about the clothing and appearance of people involved in the story. Or they attacked each other for having contrasting viewpoints. In many cases, well over half of the comments on Tamir stories broke our rules and had to be deleted.

We ultimately decided that the comments sections of Tamir stories, overrun as they were by wickedness, were not contributing to the needed conversation. In early October, we reluctantly and finally decided to close down the comments on any news story about Tamir.

Or, they persisted with the ridiculous narrative that Tamir pulled his pellet gun on the drive-by shooters with badges (even though the footage clearly proves he didn't).

Either way, a 12 year old is dead and his murderer was a drive-by shooter who happened to be wearing a badge.

Yeah, we'd better just forget about ever having Universal Health Care in America.

The War Machine, Inc. and Corporate Welfare NEED those blank checks.

The wealthy NEED higher salaries and corporations NEED infinitely larger profits.

Face it; there simply isn't enough money in this country that we can allocate to making the nation's health situation better. It just isn't possible without throwing the entire country into upheaval.

Your publicly-traded insurers, plain and simple, are the best people to determine and distribute your healthcare; at an exorbitant out-of-pocket cost, of course. After all, this is YOUR health we're talking about, right?

All you progressive la-di-dah pie-in-the-sky dreamers better just get this silly notion that we can provide a human right for our citizens while throwing our beloved productive job creatin' wealthy and War Machine, Inc. to the back burner OUT OF YOUR HEADS.

"If I was still president, ISIS would be WASWAS!!"

Uh, really?

If Reagan was President, ISIS would be given Missiles and the profits would be funnelled to Al Shabaab or something. Why do conservatives laud a guy whose administration essentially committed high treason?

Some conservatives hilariously attribute this meme to Bewsh, who essentially gave BIRTH to ISIS thanks to his folly wars. Now we're a mile past denialism and headlong into "Not Even Wrong".

Republicans aren't rootin-tootin shoot-em-up cowboys. They're traitors who take the shortcut to thinking and legality every time.

Regarding the conservative position of keeping health care unaffordable . . . .

I think I finally figured out why some people in the USA are so hellbent against instituting universal health care in this country.

I mean, watching classmate after friend after relative have to put up gofundmes, fund raisers and bake sales to fund five-to-six-digit hospital/pharmaceutical bills for the crime of getting sick (this is on top of all the normal bills they have to deal with) isn't making any bells and whistles go off in anyone ELSE'S heads regarding our imminently sensible for-profit-only system that, like higher education, is slowly becoming the domain of the upper middle class and greater income brackets and firmly tethered to how gainfully employed someone is.

So let me drop the REAL reason why .. . . . .

I think it's because it's far more important to these people that citizens they deem economically, culturally or socially inferior to them DON'T get what every other industrialized nation considers a human right than it is EVERY American citizen HAVING Universal Health Care.

It's like an inherent NEED in America to feel like you're BETTER than someone else rather than have a nation that's truly serious about opening up opportunity to ALL people.

. . . and in America, I'M the "radical nutjob" . . ..

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