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The lesson that the DNC should have learned with Nader and the 2000 election

is that they need to court the progressive left to win. Obama did court us, and he won. Clinton does what she can to shun us. Good luck with that general election strategy.

Reminds me of a juxtaposition I heard on NPR's Marketplace a few years ago.

They did an in-depth story about an impoverished neighborhood, complete with homeless and hungry children, and followed it up with a stock market report that started off with their cheery, upbeat rendition of "We're In The Money." I felt physically ill listening to that.

This is why I tell people that voting fraud doesn't have to come from the Clinton side.

There are plenty of people in the world who would love to disrupt a US presidential race. Terrorists, Trump, hell, even the GOP might think hacking the Democratic vote is the only way they'll win against either Democratic primary contender. Hacking is real, vote switching is real, and election integrity and voter confidence must be maintained for ALL citizens, not just the ones whose platforms we agree with.

K&R in spite of the snarky tone of the OP towards Sanders supporters. This Sanders supporter supports election integrity.

The kicker is, voter fraud doesn't have to have come from the Clinton campaign.

There are plenty of terrorists out there who might have their reasons for disrupting a US political campaign. The Trump people could be fiddling with the system, preferring a match-up with Clinton. Hacking is real, cyber-terrorism is real. Clinton should be just as vested in ensuring election integrity, but she and her supporters are more interested in winning that voter confidence in the electoral process. If she's on such solid ground, she should be championing investigations in why there are exit poll discrepancies that vastly favor her in all contested states.

But I'm delusional. Me and Bloomberg, we're all just left-wing paranoid nutjobs.

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-how-to-hack-an-election/

Ted Rall pegs the origin of the DNC in his graphic biography of Bernie.

The whole book is a great bio, and solid history of the rise of the current populist movement from the left, but this page explains so much, so succinctly.




I really recommend reading the whole book, available through your local library, independent bookstore, or amazon.com.

Bullshit.

The Democratic party as represented by the DNC aren't Democrats - or more precisely, they've hijacked the party of Roosevelt to turn it into Republican-lite, where they are more into pandering to corporate interests to get money than they are to addressing MY needs as a liberal citizen-voter.

I always identified as Democratic growing up, the party of Roosevelt, Kennedy, Johnson. I registered independent for many years feeling that the Democratic party leadership didn't represent my interests as a progressive voter, but I still voted straight Democratic party ticket for decades. I switched registration status to vote for Obama in 2008, but you can't tell me I wasn't a good and faithful Democrat all those years I voted straight-ticket. And FINALLY there's someone running as a Democrat who I really feels represents the Democratic "me" all those years I registered Independent. I'll bet you 90% of those Independents are other iterations of me, of the progressive wing of the party that the DNC has worked for decades to shut down, shut up, and destroy. Sorry! We're not going away! And I will shed tears for my progressive brothers and sisters who are denied voting for Sanders because of some bullshit assumption you and the rest of the DNC-Democrats make about the purity of Democratic Party.

I feel sorry for the Boomers who've become bitter and cynical.

I straddle Gen X and Boomers, and I think it's so sad how so many in my cohort have given up on their dreams.

Links please.

My internet search gives Sanders a net worth of about a half million dollars to HRC's $31 million.

Sanders didn't move to Vermont to run for office, he moved to Vermont in 1968 and didn't run for any office until 1971.

And since when is voting to deregulate Wall Street a bad thing? You support the repeal of Glass-Stegall and think corporations are people?

We listen. It's how we are able to use her own words against her.

1990: "As a shareholder and director of our company, Im always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else.

1994: "If, for whatever reason, the Congress doesn't pass health care reform, I believe, and I may be to totally off base on this, but I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system. I don't even think it's a close call politically. I think the momentum for a single payer system will sweep the country... It will be such a huge popular issue... that even if it's not successful the first time, it will eventually be."

1996: "They are often the kinds of kids that are called 'super-predators.' No conscience, no empathy, we can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."

2008: "You should be willing to debate any time, anywhere."

2013: "I am determined to leave the State Department and our country safer, stronger, and more secure."

2015: "I'll look into it."

Honestly, I've been listening to Clinton BS for over a quarter century. Really not impressed with what I've heard. Except for those 1994 and 2008 quotes. But we all know how she's changed her stance on them now.

You have to credit him for evolving his nuclear action.

His position on nuclear changed from this action in 1996 to urging Obama "to declare a nuclear moratorium" in 2011. It looks to me like the more information he had on the subject, the more he was able to change his mind to work for a safer, nuclear-free world for everyone.

I congratulate him for opening his mind to enlightenment. That's the kind of president I want.
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