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What will DLC/centrists/New Democrats in House & Senate do if Bernie is elected president?

Will they follow his lead or side with Republicans in obstructing his agenda?

Quite frankly, that branch of the party is all for party loyalty when they are the beneficiaries.

But if they have to choose between progressive Democratic colleagues or even progressive constituents on the one hand and big donors on the other, they usually go with the money.

What do you think they will do?

If you were born after the end of the Cold War, do you have a visceral reaction to "Socialist"?

or even Communist?

or does it have as much impact as whig, federalist, or the silly walk party?

I am old enough to remember the Cold War, and for all of the Cold War propaganda, I never had the visceral reaction to socialist or even communist the way I do to Nazi, Ku Klux Klan, or to a lesser extent, fascist.

I'm guessing that's even more true for those who grew up after the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction dialed down.

But I could be wrong.

Let me know in the poll and in your comments.

TOM TOMORROW: Crisis management in Flint


The one thing GOP candidates can't say will knock Trump out in first debate with a Democrat:

"You're an idiot. It's not just that you have bad ideas, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Running for office may SEEM like a reality TV show or professional wrestling, but actually governing requires some knowledge and, yes, even at least SOME experience doing it.

Running your own company where people have to obey your every whim or be fired is NOT the same as dealing Congress and foreign leaders who you can't fire if they disagree with you.

You're fun to watch on TV in an "Ow my balls!" kind of way, but you running for president is like a dog chasing a car--if you won you wouldn't know what the fuck to do."

The problem is, it will ONLY work if done this bluntly.

If the Democratic nominee is at all polite or wishy washy about it, it will have no effect on Trump or more importantly, people who don't follow issues and have limited reasoning ability.

Our person MUST come across as an authority putting a spoiled five year old asking to drive the car in his place or it will fail.

Should Debbie Wasserman Schultz resign as DNC chair?

It's been pretty obvious her thumb was on the scale for Hillary from the start, but that computer kerfuffle last weekend was dropping a house on the scale.

Progressive voters are the base of the Democratic Party, but we haven't had a progressive chair since Howard Dean.

We need someone in that position who more than just the fat cat donors can trust.

Should Debbie Wasserman Schultz resign?

Will few primary debates at low viewership times hurt nominee in November?

definition of socialism: admitting the government does some things better than the private sector

I realize that's setting a pretty low bar, but no Republican would directly admit that, and corporate Democrats would dance around it and try not to say it directly.

Why didn't Obama mention punishing those who profit from ISIS oil smuggling or states who fund them?

Dropping bombs is viscerally satisfying, but if you cut off their flow of money, their "threat" will quickly be reduced to that of a homeless guy with a plastic spork.

SOLUTION : Redskins should change their name to human skins

That way its not racist but they still have the same idea in there

The Saudi Connection to ISIS Terror

There are more important points in here than can be summed up in four paragraphs.

Besides the public admissions of our government officials of Saudi support for ISIS and just about every other Sunni terrorist group excerpted below, the article goes through the math on ISIS means of support other than from outside governments. It doesn't add up.

What this article treads on a bit lightly though is that ISIS is advancing our government's agenda in Syria by destabilizing Assad. And Washington didn't seem too worried about ISIS's bad acts when they were only in Syria and not yet in Iraq.

Also, any handwringing in Washington about ISIS atrocities is hardly sincere while we still arm and protect Saudi, the most oppressive, religious extremist regime in the world.

In a 2009 diplomatic memo made public by Wikileaks, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stated that “donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.”

(On Thursday, in a hawkish speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Clinton, now the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination, focused on her plan for military escalation, including a U.S. invasion of Syria to “impose no-fly zones” and secure what she called a “safe area.” But she added a brief and exasperated reference to the financial reality, saying: “once and for all, the Saudis, the Qataris and others need to stop their citizens from directly funding extremist organizations as well as the schools and mosques around the world that have set too many young people on a path to radicalization.”)

–Vice President Joe Biden’s remarkable admission at Harvard’s Kennedy School in October 2014 that “the Saudis, the emirates, etc. … were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war … they poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of military weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad – except the people who were being supplied were Al Nusra and Al Qaeda.

–Finally, in a front-page article on Friday, the Times belatedly acknowledged the devastating DIA report, a mere six months after it was made public by the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch. But even then, reporter Ian Fisher managed to leave out the most important part, which is that the Salafist stronghold that the Sunnis were seeking to establish is “exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition” – i.e. the West, the Gulf states, and Turkey – “want in order to isolate the Syrian regime.”


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