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28 Saudi Pages: Saudis feared captured Bin Laden would spill their terror support history

While there was not a lot new in the 28 pages, there were some crucial new bits like this piece of an Intercept reporter noticed about Bin Laden:

While the report does not find any smoking gun pointing to official Saudi involvement, it does highlight one consistently troubling theme of the kingdom’s response to the attacks: its refusal to cooperate with investigators seeking to uncover information about the hijackers. As the report notes, “In testimony and interviews, a number of FBI agents and CIA officers complained to the about a lack of Saudi cooperation in terrorism investigations both before and after the September 11th attacks.”

Referencing a May 1996 Director of Central Intelligence memo, the report cited agency beliefs that “the Saudis had stopped providing background information or other assistance on Bin Ladin because Bin Ladin had ‘too much information about official Saudi dealings with Islamic extremists in the 1980s for Riyadh to deliver him into U.S. hands.’”


In light of 28 Saudi pages, how can GOP claim to be tough on terrorism?

Even if you give Bush a pass for ignoring warnings BEFORE 9/11, after the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 Report, he knew that Saudi Arabia offered far more financial and operational support to the hijackers than any other country.

The Taliban was essentially al Qaeda's landlord.

And none of the evidence of Iraq's involvement with al Qaeda held water.

Bush did NOTHING in response to Saudi Arabia's role in an attack except smoke cigars with Prince Bandar on the back porch with the Pentagon still smoldering in the background.

At minimum, this means the Bush administration was either afraid to confront and punish Saudi Arabia or he put his family's and our countries (in that order) financial entanglement with Saudi Arabia ahead of lost American lives.

How are his administration's crimes on this matter not worthy of investigation and prosecution when we ran one president from office for a botched politically motivated burglary and spent a decade trying to impeach another (with some bipartisan support) for lying about his sex life under oath?

Thousands of people died, and leaders of both parties love to shake the terrorism boogey man when there's another Middle Eastern secular dictatorship that they want to replace with chaos and violent madness, but those same leaders act like the real sponsors of terror aren't worth bothering with?

And in fact, the same Prince Bandar who had so much to do with the 9/11 hijackers helped get the beheading crazies in Syria started for our government--the same sort of service he provided"us" for decades.

Isn't it worth investigating whether using such "allies" and methods are in the interests of average Americans or whether they needlessly put our lives at risk for policy goals that benefit a very, very few?

Did Rudy Guliani blame Bush for 9/11 deaths like he blames Hillary for Benghazi?

Fossil Fuel Industry Risks Losing $33 Trillion to Climate Change

A while back I posted an article that speculated gas prices had dropped because Saudi realized demand for their product has an expiration date.

This analysis seems to confirm that, and it couldn't happen to a more deserving industry.

The fossil fuel industry risks losing $33 trillion in revenue over the next 25 years as global warming may drive companies to leave oil, natural gas and coal in the ground, according to a Barclays Plc energy analyst.

Government regulations and other efforts to cut carbon emissions will inevitably slash demand for fossil fuels, jeopardizing traditional energy producers, Mark Lewis, Barclays’s head of European utilities equity research, said Monday during a panel discussion in New York on financial risks from climate change.

His comments are part of a growing chorus calling for more transparency from oil and gas companies about how their balance sheets may be affected by the global shift away from fossil fuels. As governments adopt stricter environmental policies, there’s increasing risk that companies’ untapped deposits of oil, gas and coal may go unused, turning valuable reserves into stranded assets of questionable value.

“There will be lower demand for fossil fuels in the future, and by definition that means lower prices” Lewis said.


TOON: This Modern World: The truth revealed

Props to Tom Tomorrow at Daily Kos

Chilcot Report: UK Oil Interests Were Lead Motive For Iraq War

I thought this was going to be the main thrust of the Chilcot report since the false evidence publicly presented has already been hashed over pretty thoroughly.

Still, any documentation of the oil motive is historically important, and this clearly shows it was even strategic access or anything like that--it was just a matter of who would profit from sucking the oil out of the ground.

That's why our government killed a couple of hundred thousand to over a million Iraqis, left the country in a shambles, and created recruits for ISIS.

Our democracy and foreign policy is based on a lie until this gets a similar investigation and honest discussion here.

Documents revealed as part of the huge, 12-volume report, show that British government officials involved in the events that led up to the war, the war itself and the following restoration period pursued as a main objective the corporate interests of energy giants BP and Shell. This was not, however, mentioned in the 150-page summary of the impressively extensive report: 2.6 million words in all.

Secret meetings between government officials and BP and Shell to discuss how they would proceed once Saddam was been toppled are revealed in the document. Iraq, the minutes of one such a meeting read, is “special for the oil companies” and “BP are desperate to get in there.”

In other words, what Chilcot’s report has revealed, albeit reluctantly and seemingly unwillingly, is that energy, not weapons for mass destruction (non-existent as it turned out) was the main motive for the Iraq invasion and the bloody conflict that ensued.

Energy concerns continued to top the agenda in the aftermath of the war as well. According to Open Democracy, a theme repeatedly appearing in the documents that were analysed by Chilcot and his team was “to transfer Iraq’s oil industry from public ownership to the hands of multinational companies, and to make sure BP and Shell get a large piece of that.


Will release of Chilcot Inquiry report on Iraq War lies this week affect the election?

The farther we get from 9/11, the less credible some of those lies seem, including not just the facts of whether Saddam Hussein had WMD, but the assumption that even if he did, he would dare use them against us or our allies or give them to terrorists who may use them against us or our allies given our THOUSANDS of nukes we had (and have to retaliate with) and even the hundreds Israel has and their willingness to attack their neighbors when they feel the need.

Any politician old enough to remember the Cold War or even vaguely familiar with our nuclear arsenal should have known what Bush was selling was nonsense, and it is likely that the Chilcot Report will show exactly that being discussed behind the scenes as well as the real business and finance motives for turning Iraq into a mass grave and first of several ungovernable free fire zones we've created since like Libya and are seemingly trying to create in Syria.

It is also shameful that the Chilcot Inquiry has no parallel in the United States. For all the problems the Brits have, their pols are at least honest enough to do that, but ours can't be bothered.

George Orwell on why economic inequality exists

I stumbled upon this a couple of years ago, but it is even more relevant today.

It is a neat piece of doublethink that has distracted us from how much more wealth a worker creates than in the past, yet isn't shared with them.

Instead, we have been convinced that being given a job is a form of charity bestowed upon us by "job creators" and that they deign to pay us at all is further sign of their altruism and generosity.

The investor class could let a lot more of the grain the ox tramples make it into our feed bag and still be wealthy beyond human imagination, but the reason they don't is precisely what Orwell mentions here.

From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations. And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of automatic process -- by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible not to distribute -- the machine did raise the living standards of the average human being vary greatly over a period of about fifty years at the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries.

But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction -- indeed, in some sense was the destruction -- of a hierarchical society. In a world in which everyone worked short hours, had enough to eat, lived in a house with a bathroom and a refrigerator, and possessed a motor-car or even an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction. It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away.


Wasn't ISIS smuggling oil through Turkey?

The changing sides in the Syria mess is truly dizzying.

Who will be punished for Brexit?

This is a separate question from who should be, which I would argue are those who set the economic and foreign policy that made average Brits decide this was necessary.

EDIT: I mean punished by the financial elite, not soccer hooligans, or anybody else without a trust fund.
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