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This election is not about nice

or liking a candidate. It is about working out really painful shit like institutional racism and figuring out the boundaries of our own endless consumerist appetites for oil, cheap food, and mindless entertainment.

There has been zero accountability for the economic crisis that was caused by the greed and irresponsibility of the financial sector, but the middle class is still paying and paying for their bullshit.

The consequences of global warming are becoming obvious (visit Houston, but don't forget your boat!).

Domestically, there is armed insurrection on the fringe-right and they used tanks and tear gas to put down the unrest in Ferguson.

Internationally, we are seeing a refugee crisis of Biblical proportions and the Middle East could devolve into the third world war without even trying hard. It could easily be dominos, one weird thing happens and BOOM, we will be all the way into a MAJOR military event, just like WW1.

We had hope and change last time, Dreams of my Father and the most talented, charismatic and intelligent politician of our lifetimes running or office. I really thought he could bring the entire country together, and we could be the UNITED States of America again, and we could skip a bunch of the nasty we are looking at right now. But it became obvious that the GOP would not cooperate, that they would run the country into the ground rather than compromise about anything. Their greed is just STAGGERING. And it brought the inherent racism out of the shadows and now we have to look at it and deal with it and that hurts, too.

So this is an ugly race. This is a race about dealing with our own national character defects, greed and racism. There will be no "good" candidates this time, because we do not need or deserve "good" right now. My personal opinion, what we on the left DO need is a soldier who knows how to fight in the trenches. We need to win the Supreme Court battle and deal with the gerrymandering problem. Nothing gets better until we deal with those two things. But we are right smack dab in the middle of a war already and it is not going to be pretty unless we can score a few more decisive victories.

You can do the search yourself.

I posted the parameters I used. Clearly, it is not a scientific poll, but it is a good snapshot of who actually uses the term "berniebro" on this site. The OP is SO MAD that Clinton supporters say that, but it appears that they rarely do. It is mostly Sanders supporters who are flogging that dank meme, and a few Clinton supporters replying to Sanders supporters

Here is a screenshot of part of the search for those too lazy to do their own search. It goes on for pages, so I can't get more than a small percentage. All but one are prolific pro-Sanders posters.

I did see a very few instances of actual Clinton supporters saying that, unprovoked. But that was a very small percentage of the total.

It is also clear that Sanders supporters throw around plenty of Clinton smear words, even the ones who are whinging about the BBros thing.

You got anything at all justify the OP? Anything? At least I made an effort to find some empirical evidence. I will be happy to count totals and give some ball park percentages of response types, but I don't think any pf you really care about facts, so it seemed like a waste of time. Or you can make a suggestions for different search parameters. I am open to that.

And, of course, I was not "exhorting" anyone to do anything. I was using sarcasm to point out the hypocrisy of the double standard that is being applied. I guess I need to use the tag. Sorry. I assumed that my intent was obvious.

Well put your mind to rest now.

I searched the term "berniebros" in this forum from 3/8-3/16. The great majority of the use comes form Sanders supporters outraged that somewhere else on the interwebs, someone used this term and from Clinton supporters replying to the outrage threads. Very few instances of Clinton supporters using the term spontaneously.

The term "weathervane" however..... Wow! So many of the Sanders supporters here ave VERY comfortable with that smear word. Go have a word with your people, 'k? Make a thread about how you NEVER want to hear another word about that one. And yell at them when they use Hillarian or Hillbot or whatever.....

And another reasons this thread bothers me. Your premise is a glaring logical fallacy. Just because you have an example of a male Sanders supporter who is not as privileged as many of you, it does not follow that there are no BBros.

And this guy could be a BBro, too. Does he harass Clinton supporters online? THAT is a BBro.

Not all young, white, male, economically and educationally privileged Sanders supporters are Bros, either. Just the ones who harass Clinton supporters online. Happened to me, too. It was like a scene from The Birds...... Awful. And you should be outraged by that, not the fact that someone used the word and it hurt your feelings.

This post....

OMG. So amazing. I want this particular post to LIVE FOREVER.

Yes, the party has a say

in who they nominate. People need to understand the rules of the game if they want to play. A bunch of the upset I hear is just sour grapes from people who are losing at a facet of the game.

But that said, I believe that the two main parties have made it waaaaay too difficult for third parties to compete. The lack of choice and the overwhelming power these two entities have on BOTH sides is part of the frustration that people are expressing right now. And the parties need to understand that, for the good of the country, we need to open up the process a bit.

I will take this moment for a public service announcement:

Instant-Runoff Voting or IRV will allow third party candidates to run without being a spoiler.

IRV is a preferential voting system in which voters rank the candidates in order of preference rather than voting for a single candidate.

You fill out your ballot, with the candidates in the order of your preference. Initially, the first choices are tallied. If no single candidate gets 51%, then the last finishing candidate is kicked out, and those voters 2nd choice is added in. This continues until on candidate achieves 51% or more of the popular vote.

That way, people can vote for a third party candidate without the fear of spoiling the election for the next best choice. People who have divergent political views that are not represented by one of the two parties can have a say.

I believe this would address the problem without the catastrophic upheaval that seems bound to happen if we don't make some voluntary changes soon.

What does "walked with John Lewis"

even mean to you?

THIS is the walk that John Lewis took.

Oh look, here he is with another Freedom Rider after being beaten by segregationist.

Here he is in the hospital after having his skull fractured by police.


Oh look, being pulled off a stool as he is trying to integrate a lunch counter.

There are pretty much endless photos of John Lewis beaten and bloody during Civil Rights once you start looking.

So no, Sanders did not "walk" with John Lewis. He showed up at the March on Washington. So did my MOM. But she never claimed that she "walked" with King

Nah. All you need is a politician

who is willing to walk through that door once the activists push it open far enough. That's the easy part. You gotta make them do it. That's the hard part.

Activist are responsible for giving the politician the cover they need to get the work of the legislation done. King famously pushed Kennedy and LBJ on civil rights. The depression opened the door for FDR. None of that groundbreaking legislation gets done without both timing and the right activists in place to agitate on the issues.

Sanders math on single-payer doesn't work. His job is to present a workable policy that we can move toward. He has not done that.

"And isn't that the entire point of the Democratic Party?"
NO. That is not the point of a political party at all. They are a tactic to allow politicians to win elections. Nothing more.

Y'all should quit dumping your responsibility to agitate the shit out of this issue onto Sanders or a political party's lap in the first place. Because it goes nowhere if you do that. MAKE THEM DO IT. Show up at every board meeting, at the state house and vote in every single election that you are eligible for. Write OpEds and register voters. Make the local pols who oppose you fucking miserable every time they see you coming until they pass your law just to get you off their back. Yes you can!

Oh no you didn't!

Marco Rubio get 79% rating from Conservative Review

Voted against Violence Against Women Act (VAWA)
To de-fund ACA
Against common sense gun laws
Against Immigration amnesty
Against non-discrimination laws for sexual preferences and gender identity
Against expanding our national parks system
Against Medicare reauthorization

More here.

Al Franken gets 4%

Voted yes on Violence Against Women Act (VAWA)
Voted yes on Amnesty
Yes to fund ACA
Yes on gun laws
Yes on non-discrimination laws for sexual preferences and gender identity
Yes on Medicare funding
Yes on National Parks
Against Keystone
For additional funding for veteran's healthcare
For infrastructure funding

More good votes. They go on and on....

Guess what one of the ONLY two times he voted "with" the conservatives was? Against TPP! Your guy HATES TPP, right? But Franken bucked the party line to vote against that one. So this is your progressive "fraud"! But you don't like his endorsement so UNDER THE BUS HE GOS! At the rate y'all are purging, there will be no one left soon.....


I believe it is worse than that.

The GOPs driving this mess are mostly old school guys, Art Pope (rich NC businessman and Koch brother disciple) and his crew. I think they understand EXACTLY where the demographics are going and that their time is limited no matter how many voters they disenfranchise. It is basically a smash and grab.

They are passing rules that benefit their cronies, privatize public services, etc. They are pumping as much money out of public coffers and into their own pockets as possible and vandalizing all the nice public things the state has on the way out. White supremacy is really ugly when it feels cornered....

An example, charter school oversight is basically nil now. They increased the number allowed and weakened the fiscal oversight rules. A guy in Raleigh who is also a Civitas board member (Art Pope's political action group) owns a for-profit charter school chain. He owns a separate company that rents the school building and all items in it to the charter school group. And then he is the chairman of the charter school board of directors. And the state is not overseeing the money that is changing hands AT ALL. But if the charter school is not able to pay its bills, guess who is on the hook? You guessed! The state and the taxpayers! And guess who gets to keep his real estate and other assets? Yep. The guy who is politically connected and set up the whole disgraceful boondoggle in the first place.

And they are set on destroying our excellent public university system too. They have particular political beefs with UNC-Chapel Hill, the flagship campus. Despite being listed as one of the best values in higher education in the country, they have cut budgets and installed their own political puppet as the president.

And then there are voting rights..... And this is my personal passion too.... The Moral Monday coalition came into being long before Moral Mondays were a thing. We were a loosely organized progressive coalition group. Our members included a huge spectrum of individual interests, but we all agreed that we had the same enemies and that by organizing our efforts, we would all see more progress in each area. And it was agreed that the most efficient path to victory was to first expand the electorate to include more poor, young, black and latino voters. So we started doing tons of grassroots voter education and mobilization drives on the ground, and lobbying the Democratically controlled legislature for better laws in the legislature.

We got same-day voter registration, longer early voting periods, publicly funded judicial campaigns and ran some tests with instant-runoff voting (so cool, google it) in primaries. OMG, the GOP here hated Sunday early voting because we facilitated a Souls to the Polls campaign where black churches would do a BBQ after services and run vans to and from early vote sites all afternoon. All completely legit because no one told anyone which candidate or party to support. And no one was stopping white churches from doing the same, right? But it seemed to enrage the GOP. We divided up underrepresented precincts and would canvass during early voting to increase turnout (remember, we had same day registration too!). Um, we turned out the homeless shelters and through that effort got some low income housing built for that population. Ex-felons re-enfranchisement education. Registering new citizens. ACORN (and another organizer after they got disbanded) did turnout in public housing. On and on.... And we were successful! Voter participation increased.

But we were still under the radar. The power people would laugh and point, but didn't really take us seriously. Until Obama won the NC Electoral College votes. Since then, 10s of millions of dollars have been spent in this state to role back all the great strides we made. Democrats lost the state house in 2010 and as a result, we were brutally gerrymandered by the GOP to the point where we don't really have democracy in this state any more. Because sorry, when 51% of the citizens vote for a Democratic statehouse rep, but the GOP comes out with a veto-proof majority, something STINKS. My vote was still STOLEN, but they did it "legally" with fucking math and lawyers. Since almost no one pays attention to white criminals in suits, most voters don't even see that it happened.

Anyhoo.... I am blathering on.... Moral Monday, what I refer to as the Fusion Party now, is one of my most favorite topics. But this is what I want to say about our country's racist history. YES, it is bad, but there are rich people out there who spend million and millions to MAKE SURE it stays bad. In NC at least, the people always come back around to some sort of people's coalition group that includes black and white. It has been happening here, off and on, since reconstruction. So it seems like The People bend history toward justice periodically, but they through a combination of our own inattention and power the very rich exert over the system, we get bent back

Anyone who is really interested in the Moral Monday movement and fusion politics should take a look at Rev. Dr. Barber's book on the topic. I am about 2/3rds through. Since it is my state and I was there for some of the grassroots work, of course I love it. But anyone with a serious interest in progressive activism should take a look.

So now I get to ask questions.

Do you even know any Hillary supporters in the real world?

And you never answered my other question. Do you think John Lewis, who endorsed Hillary Clinton, is an oligarch or supporter of oligarchs?

Lewis is one of the most liberal members of the House, and one of the most liberal congressmen ever to represent a district in the Deep South. He has been labeled a "far-left Democratic leader" by GovTrack and a "Hard-Core Liberal" by Issues2000. The Washington Post described Lewis in 1998 as "a fiercely partisan Democrat but ... also fiercely independent." Lewis characterized himself as a strong and adamant liberal. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution said Lewis was the "only former major civil rights leader who extended his fight for human rights and racial reconciliation to the halls of Congress". The Atlanta Journal-Constitution also said that to "those who know him, from U.S. senators to 20-something congressional aides", he is called the "conscience of Congress". Lewis has cited former Florida Senator and Congressman Claude Pepper, a staunch liberal, as being the colleague that he has most admired. Lewis has spoken out in support of gay rights and national health insurance, and he has worked with the Faith and Politics Institute to advance their goals.


Cut and paste from another post:

It is true that corporate money has completely distorted the political process. But that is because every time we pass a decent law, the freakin' Supreme Court overturns it.

I support public financing of campaigns.

Limited time frame for campaigning.

Instant Runoff voting (enables third-party candidates in ways that our system cannot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting

Automatic voter registration of 18 year olds.

MANDATORY voting for all adults.

I think the two party system is played out, decadent, FUBAR and ready for the trash heap of history.

I am as far left as you can get on these issues. Most people don't know what I am talking about, I am so far off the left side of the bell curve.

I have spent hundreds of unpaid hours over the period of a decade, with people of all ages, races and economic levels, trying to bring this vision to fruition.

Yet I support Clinton. Because I can get most of this passed with any Democrat in office if we get the right mix on the Supremes for a long enough time period.

We did it in NC. Passed some of the most liberal election law in the entire country with a bunch of corrupt DINOs running the show. True story. Too bad about the GOP redistricting, it is all gone now.

That tells me everything I need to know abut who the true enemy is, too.

My first point: Even the most conservative Dems will not stand in the way if there is the political will and organization to get good campaign finance laws passed. I know because I did it.

And here is the why of it:

This is an infographic from 538 modeling 2012 turnout on current the population.


The Democratic coalition is educated white/black/asian/latino. Our heavy hitters are educated white and black. The x-axis is percent of population that turns out to vote. The y-axis is party preference.

Now pull the x line on non-college whites (GOP base) to the very top and see what it does to the electoral college. Does not flip. Educated whites are pretty maxed on turnout, so you would have to simultaneously persuade several percentage points of that group to the red column to actually win a Presidential election. Unlikely based on trends and on the type of candidates the GOP runs these days.

Now look at black/asian/latino boxes. They all have headroom to grow on the x-axis. None are likely to flip for GOP.

Now play and see what will flip the electoral college to a GOP win.

If I depress the black vote and push the non-college white and latino a few points farther into the red, voila! I get a GOP win! And that is likely what the GOP is planning too. Voter ID plus shorter early vote and longer lines in AA neighborhood, angry whites and a latino GOP candidate might do it.

My second point: ALL DEM candidates benefit from higher turnout.

- Dems benefit from higher turnout, more voters and less campaign money, as long as ALL CANDIDATES are limited in spending. This is not a moral issue. This is just smart. But when campaign money is NOT limited by the courts, then it DOES NOT benefit Dems to fall way behind GOP on the principal of the thing. Because then we lose. And a full loss is worse than a conflicted win when it comes to policy issues.

- Reps can only depress the turnout of our voters and spend more and more money. They are the ones who truly benefit from the money in politics because they have maxed their potential voter pool and can ONLY spend more money and disenfranchise Dem voters to win.

You understand?

First: I have actually volunteered with groups who got great finance laws with conservative Dems in power. They could have blocked but they didn't. Why? Because they ARE NOT OLIGARCHS. (Liberal Dems CANNOT win statewide here yet because the state is fairly conservative overall. What some call a DINO is the best we can realistically do.)

Second: The electoral math for Dems favors higher turnout and LESS campaign money. Follow the money right? Who benefits from more? GOP! So Dems are NOT OLIGARCHS.

Third: Unless you are prepared to call one of our greatest living social justice warriors and a veterans rights activist oligarchs, then you are disproved right there.

You know, it IS possible for good and moral people to simple have a different opinion than yours.

I doubt anyone actually read this, but hey, I tried......
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