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If "news" headlines were honest. cbs "news:" "We came, we saw, we lied." (repost HRC Group)

This is a repost of my original thread back in September. I've just cross posted it to gd p as well. Please feel free to copy and paste or link to this OP. I've noticed it's also making the rounds on kos. Please feel free to post to that and other websites that a running this. I'd appreciate credit. Thank you.

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If "news" headlines were honest. cbs "news:" "We came, we saw, we lied."

If the news reported as honestly, frequently, and energetically about republicans as they report dishonestly, frequently, and energetically about Democrats, the republican party would be gone within 5 years.


During a series of interviews in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 20, 2011, Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton received a text about another, unconfirmed report of gaddafi's capture.

cbs "news" captured those few moments on video. I've included a rough transcript of each clip. Some news sources used the first clip of the video; others used the second.

Link to first clip from cbs' news channel on youtube (will only play on youtube):

Caption: Published on Oct 20, 2011
During a series of press interviews in Kabul, Afghanistan, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gets a message on her Blackberry of what she calls an unconfirmed report of Muammar Qaddafi's capture. Shortly after, reports of Qaddafi's death began to surface around the world.

Link to second clip from cbs' entertainment channel on youtube (will only play on youtube):

Caption: Published on Oct 20, 2011
Speaking between network interviews, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton jokes with reporter on early, unconfirmed reports that deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.

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Rough transcripts of the two clips.

First clip:

HRC: Wow.
(background talking)
HRC: Unconfirmed.
(background talking)
HRC: Unconfirmed reports about gaddafi being captured.
(background talking)
HRC: Unconfirmed. Yeah. We've had too many, we had a bunch of those before...we've had...have had him captured a couple of times.

Second clip. The video continues:

(back of talking head) I mean, so that is the land of unconfirmed reports....
(HRC) Yes, we came, we saw, he died
(back of talking head) Do you think it had anything to do with your book?
(HRC) No, no, I'm sure it didn't

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From The Guardian:

Hillary Clinton reacts to news of Muammar Gaddafi's capture in Libya - http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2011/oct/20/hillary-clinton-gaddafi-capture-video
The US secretary of state is filmed as she first hears unconfirmed reports of Muammar Gaddafi's capture in the Libyan city of Sirte

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From the telegraph

Hillary Clinton receives news of Gaddafi's capture on her BlackBerry - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/libya-video/8839595/Hillary-Clinton-receives-news-of-Gaddafis-capture-on-her-BlackBerry.html

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton receives news of Gaddafi's capture on her BlackBerry during an interview with CBS News.
Hillary Clinton greeted the report with an exclamation of surprise, but immediately cautioned those present that similar claims from Libya in the past had proved premature.

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From the BBC:

Clinton 'wowed' by news of Gaddafi capture - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15397713
21 October 2011 Last updated at 01:12 BST

The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, was taken by surprise as she read the news of Col Muammar Gaddafi's capture on her phone.

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From buzzfeed:

Hilary Clinton’s Reaction To Gaddafi’s Capture - http://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleybaccam/hilary-clintons-reaction-to-gaddafis-capture#.qvkKN7JND

Here is Hilary Clinton’s reaction to the unconfirmed capture of Gaddafi. She seems fairly unfazed, but this was before there were reports of his death.

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From the daily mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051486/Gaddafi-dead-Hillary-Clinton-reacts-news-capture-BlackBerry.html

Mrs Clinton was preparing for interviews in Kabul, Afghanistan, when top aide Huma Abedin handed her a BlackBerry with the first news of Muammar Gaddafi’s capture.

'Wow,' the secretary of state exclaims. ‘Unconfirmed reports about Gaddafi being captured.’

<snip>

As others hover around her, she reminds them the report is not yet confirmed, saying, 'We’ve had a bunch of those before. 'We've had him captured a couple of times.'

The headline reads: 'Wow!': Hillary Clinton reacts as she finds out about Gaddafi's death on BlackBerry

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From the journal.ie:

“Wow…huh…”: how the world reacted to Gaddafi’s death -
http://www.thejournal.ie/wow-huh-how-the-world-reacted-to-gaddafis-death-259125-Oct2011

Hillary Clinton, Ban Ki Moon and Eamon Gilmore have been among those reacting to the death of Muammar Gaddafi in Sirte today.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did not make any official comment on the death but the moments she learned of reports of Gaddafi’s capture were caught by US television where she is heard saying: “Wow…huh…unconfirmed”.

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business insider:

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died-2011-10

Hillary Clinton On Qaddafi: We Came, We Saw, He Died

More jovial reaction from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton following news of Qaddafi's death.

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From English pravda:

Hillary Clinton laughs about Gaddafi's death - http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/21-10-2011/119403-hillary_clinton_gaddafi-0/
21.10.2011 | Source: Pravda.Ru

Hillary Clinton laughs about Gaddafi's death.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton learned about the death of Muammar Gaddafi via an SMS message. Clinton was staying in Kabul when she learned the news. The moment, when she was given a cell phone, was filmed by CBS NEWS as Clinton was getting ready for an interview.

Clinton received her BlackBerry from an assistant. Having read the message about Gaddafi's capture, she exclaimed: "Wow!"

<snip>

The US Secretary of State looked happy. She and the CBS reporter laughed about the death of the Libyan dictator. She paraphrased a well-known phrase by Julius Caesar and said: "We came, we saw, he died!"

<snip>

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russia today (rt)

US media on Gaddafi: In praise of lynching - http://rt.com/news/us-media-gaddafi-death-747/

The mainstream US media has reacted to Muammar Gaddafi's brutal lynching with a tidal wave of cheers and approval, trumpeting the Colonel’s death as the start of a new era for Libya.

­US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton led the triumphant celebrations of Gaddafi’s death with her immortal line, “We came, we saw, he died!” - words which are sure to be remembered far beyond America’s shores.

Joy at the killing of the killing of the African leader spread like wildfire through the US media.

<snip>

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CBS "News" "Special Report"


At about 3:20 mark: "We have not heard any official confirmation from any US source today. The president has not spoken about this. The secretary of state, who is traveling today, has also reserved any comment, waiting for absolute confirmation..."

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Also from cbs "news"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/

Clinton on Qaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died"

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shared a laugh with a television news reporter moments after hearing deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.

"We came, we saw, he died," she joked when told of news reports of Qaddafi's death by an aide in between formal interviews.

Clinton was in Tripoli earlier this week for talks with leaders of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC).

The reporter asked if Qaddafi's death had anything to do with her surprise visit to show support for the Libyan people.

"No," she replied, before rolling her eyes and saying "I'm sure it did" with a chuckle.

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Emphasis added.

If "news" headlines were honest. cbs "news:" "We came, we saw, we lied."

Originally posted Sun Sep 27, 2015, 03:40 AM in the HRC Group.

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If "news" headlines were honest. cbs "news:" "We came, we saw, we lied."

If the news reported as honestly, frequently, and energetically about republicans as they report dishonestly, frequently, and energetically about Democrats, the republican party would be gone within 5 years.


During a series of interviews in Kabul, Afghanistan on October 20, 2011, Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton received a text about another, unconfirmed report of gaddafi's capture.

cbs "news" captured those few moments on video. I've included a rough transcript of each clip. Some news sources used the first clip of the video; others used the second.

Link to first clip from cbs' news channel on youtube (will only play on youtube):

Caption: Published on Oct 20, 2011
During a series of press interviews in Kabul, Afghanistan, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gets a message on her Blackberry of what she calls an unconfirmed report of Muammar Qaddafi's capture. Shortly after, reports of Qaddafi's death began to surface around the world.

Link to second clip from cbs' entertainment channel on youtube (will only play on youtube):

Caption: Published on Oct 20, 2011
Speaking between network interviews, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton jokes with reporter on early, unconfirmed reports that deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.

----------

Rough transcripts of the two clips.

First clip:

HRC: Wow.
(background talking)
HRC: Unconfirmed.
(background talking)
HRC: Unconfirmed reports about gaddafi being captured.
(background talking)
HRC: Unconfirmed. Yeah. We've had too many, we had a bunch of those before...we've had...have had him captured a couple of times.

Second clip. The video continues:

(back of talking head) I mean, so that is the land of unconfirmed reports....
(HRC) Yes, we came, we saw, he died
(back of talking head) Do you think it had anything to do with your book?
(HRC) No, no, I'm sure it didn't

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From The Guardian:

Hillary Clinton reacts to news of Muammar Gaddafi's capture in Libya - http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2011/oct/20/hillary-clinton-gaddafi-capture-video
The US secretary of state is filmed as she first hears unconfirmed reports of Muammar Gaddafi's capture in the Libyan city of Sirte

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From the telegraph

Hillary Clinton receives news of Gaddafi's capture on her BlackBerry - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/libya-video/8839595/Hillary-Clinton-receives-news-of-Gaddafis-capture-on-her-BlackBerry.html

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton receives news of Gaddafi's capture on her BlackBerry during an interview with CBS News.
Hillary Clinton greeted the report with an exclamation of surprise, but immediately cautioned those present that similar claims from Libya in the past had proved premature.

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From the BBC:

Clinton 'wowed' by news of Gaddafi capture - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15397713
21 October 2011 Last updated at 01:12 BST

The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, was taken by surprise as she read the news of Col Muammar Gaddafi's capture on her phone.

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From buzzfeed:

Hilary Clinton’s Reaction To Gaddafi’s Capture - http://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleybaccam/hilary-clintons-reaction-to-gaddafis-capture#.qvkKN7JND

Here is Hilary Clinton’s reaction to the unconfirmed capture of Gaddafi. She seems fairly unfazed, but this was before there were reports of his death.

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From the daily mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051486/Gaddafi-dead-Hillary-Clinton-reacts-news-capture-BlackBerry.html

Mrs Clinton was preparing for interviews in Kabul, Afghanistan, when top aide Huma Abedin handed her a BlackBerry with the first news of Muammar Gaddafi’s capture.

'Wow,' the secretary of state exclaims. ‘Unconfirmed reports about Gaddafi being captured.’

<snip>

As others hover around her, she reminds them the report is not yet confirmed, saying, 'We’ve had a bunch of those before. 'We've had him captured a couple of times.'

The headline reads: 'Wow!': Hillary Clinton reacts as she finds out about Gaddafi's death on BlackBerry

---------------

From the journal.ie:

“Wow…huh…”: how the world reacted to Gaddafi’s death -
http://www.thejournal.ie/wow-huh-how-the-world-reacted-to-gaddafis-death-259125-Oct2011

Hillary Clinton, Ban Ki Moon and Eamon Gilmore have been among those reacting to the death of Muammar Gaddafi in Sirte today.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did not make any official comment on the death but the moments she learned of reports of Gaddafi’s capture were caught by US television where she is heard saying: “Wow…huh…unconfirmed”.

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business insider:

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died-2011-10

Hillary Clinton On Qaddafi: We Came, We Saw, He Died

More jovial reaction from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton following news of Qaddafi's death.

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From English pravda:

Hillary Clinton laughs about Gaddafi's death - http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/21-10-2011/119403-hillary_clinton_gaddafi-0/
21.10.2011 | Source: Pravda.Ru

Hillary Clinton laughs about Gaddafi's death.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton learned about the death of Muammar Gaddafi via an SMS message. Clinton was staying in Kabul when she learned the news. The moment, when she was given a cell phone, was filmed by CBS NEWS as Clinton was getting ready for an interview.

Clinton received her BlackBerry from an assistant. Having read the message about Gaddafi's capture, she exclaimed: "Wow!"

<snip>

The US Secretary of State looked happy. She and the CBS reporter laughed about the death of the Libyan dictator. She paraphrased a well-known phrase by Julius Caesar and said: "We came, we saw, he died!"

<snip>

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russia today (rt)

US media on Gaddafi: In praise of lynching - http://rt.com/news/us-media-gaddafi-death-747/

The mainstream US media has reacted to Muammar Gaddafi's brutal lynching with a tidal wave of cheers and approval, trumpeting the Colonel’s death as the start of a new era for Libya.

­US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton led the triumphant celebrations of Gaddafi’s death with her immortal line, “We came, we saw, he died!” - words which are sure to be remembered far beyond America’s shores.

Joy at the killing of the killing of the African leader spread like wildfire through the US media.

<snip>

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CBS "News" "Special Report"


At about 3:20 mark: "We have not heard any official confirmation from any US source today. The president has not spoken about this. The secretary of state, who is traveling today, has also reserved any comment, waiting for absolute confirmation..."

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Also from cbs "news"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/

Clinton on Qaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died"

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shared a laugh with a television news reporter moments after hearing deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.

"We came, we saw, he died," she joked when told of news reports of Qaddafi's death by an aide in between formal interviews.

Clinton was in Tripoli earlier this week for talks with leaders of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC).

The reporter asked if Qaddafi's death had anything to do with her surprise visit to show support for the Libyan people.

"No," she replied, before rolling her eyes and saying "I'm sure it did" with a chuckle.

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Emphasis added.

No. Hillary Clinton did not call people on welfare, "deadbeats." (edit: internet slooow)

Please note: I'm having issues with my internet right now (slow, fast, slow, stalled, etc.). I'll get back to the replies after I straighten things out with my ISP. Sorry. (hoping this posts)

Here's a direct link to her article from March 2000. http://www.creators.com/opinion/hillary-clinton/talking-it-over-2000-03-15.html

Here's the link to her series of weekly articles: http://www.creators.com/opinion/hillary-clinton/archive.html?DATE_START=2000-05-01 You can search by month.

Here's where the word "deadbeat" was used:

Tom is a 32-year-old father of two. Although he is required to pay child support, he recently lost his low-paying job, and has fallen behind in his payments.

David, also 32, is divorced with four children. Unlike Tom, David has a good job, but brushes aside his obligation to pay support to his family.

In this country, nearly one in three children grows up without a father, and is five times more likely to live in poverty than a child in a two-parent family. Child support is an important component in helping lift these children out of poverty, and is critical to supporting their healthy development.

As part of the administration's budget proposal, the President has included a major new initiative aimed at helping these children. His plan is tough on "deadbeat" parents like David who can afford to pay; helps "deadbroke" parents like Tom who are struggling to do the right thing; and ensures that more child support money goes directly to families.

<snip>

For parents like Tom who want to meet their obligations to their children, but are unable to afford them, the budget includes a component called Fathers Work/Families Win that will help approximately 40,000 low-income, non-custodial parents (the vast majority of whom are fathers), work, pay child support, and reconnect with their children.

<snip to much more at link>


This was an article about the issue of "deadbeat dads," since rebranded (an now barely reported in the press) as "deadbeat parents." Those parents who can afford to keep their children out of poverty but choose not to do so. It was a big deal on the national stage, once upon a time. Just ask the press.

Here's another direct link to the articles mentioned at buzzfeed: http://www.creators.com/opinion/hillary-clinton/talking-it-over-1998-06-03.html

And a snip:

One day, Rhonda Costa's daughter came home from school and announced, "Mommy, I'm tired of seeing you sitting around the house doing nothing." That's the day Rhonda decided to get off welfare.

<snip>

Felicia Booker, who is blind, needed public assistance after the birth of her first child, but she got "tired of sitting around the house and tired of not having enough money." She enrolled in a six-week training program that led to a position at a computer programming company. Now, she works for A.G. Edwards in St. Louis, Mo., earning $46,000 a year.

Tonya Oden was caring for her three children with the help of public assistance when she heard about a training program at Cessna Aircraft Co.'s 21st Street Subassembly Facility in Wichita, Kan. She enrolled and was the first trainee to become an inspector at the facility, where she now earns $12 an hour.

<snip>

The President's child-care initiative would provide much-needed help for working parents, and he has proposed the funding of vouchers for those who need housing assistance to get or keep their jobs. And we need to find even more private-sector jobs.

<snip to much more at link>

"...In 1973, hospitals made up 80 percent of the country’s abortion facilities."

The New Abortion Providers

By EMILY BAZELON
Published: July 14, 2010

On a clear and mild March day in 1993, the Operation Rescue leader Randall Terry spoke at a rally in southern Florida against abortion. “We’ve found the weak link is the doctor,” he told the crowd. “We’re going to expose them. We’re going to humiliate them.” A few days later, Dr. David Gunn, an abortion provider, was shot and killed outside his clinic in Pensacola, Fla., about 500 miles away. It was the first of eight such murders, the extreme edge of what has become an anti-abortion strategy of confrontation.

Terry understood that focusing on abortion providers was possible because they had become increasingly isolated from mainstream medicine. That was not what physicians themselves anticipated after the Supreme Court’s 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade. An open letter signed by 100 professors of obstetrics and gynecology predicted that free-standing clinics would be unnecessary if half of the 20,000 obstetricians in the country would do abortions for their patients, and if hospitals would handle “their proportionate share.” OB-GYNs at the time emphasized that abortion was a surgical procedure and fell under their purview.

<snip>

But the clinics also truly came to stand alone. In 1973, hospitals made up 80 percent of the country’s abortion facilities. By 1981, however, clinics outnumbered hospitals, and 15 years later, 90 percent of the abortions in the U.S. were performed at clinics. The American Medical Association did not maintain standards of care for the procedure. Hospitals didn’t shelter them in their wings. Being a pro-choice doctor came to mean referring your patients to a clinic rather than doing abortions in your own office.

This was never the feminist plan. “The clinics’ founders didn’t intend them to become virtually the only settings for abortion services in many communities,” says Carole Joffe, a sociologist and author of a history of the era, “Doctors of Conscience,” and a new book, “Dispatches From the Abortion Wars.” When the clinics became the only place in town to have an abortion, they became an easy mark for extremists. As Joffe told me, “The violence was possible because the relationship of medicine to abortion was already tenuous.” The medical profession reinforced the outsider status of the clinics by not speaking out strongly after the first attacks. As abortion moved to the margins of medical practice, it also disappeared from residency programs that produced new doctors. In 1995, the number of OB-GYN residencies offering abortion training fell to a low of 12 percent.

<snip>

(emphasis added)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/magazine/18abortion-t.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1429393007-eyWtGXPvlOd5PFN+AKkp4A


As usual, much more at link than can be represented by 4 paragraphs.

In the earliest days of the women's rights movement, family planning and many of its tools, were illegal in the US. Birth control, even information/education about birth control, could result in jail time and/or fines. Abortion was one piece of the family planning tool kit. Education about their own bodies, their pregnancies and how to avoid pregnancy, i.e., birth control, were all once there and many have made it into the "mainstream;" well, at least if you have the money. Abortion, was the tool chosen to attack women with regard to family planning. Poverty and the "war on drugs" would be additional tools used against poor white women and all women of color.



"White House to spend millions to curb undocumented children crossing border"

Edit to add: please read entire article. Far too much information for 4 paragraphs.

(CNN) -- The Obama administration has unveiled a plan to spend millions of dollars to stem the tide of undocumented children streaming across the U.S.-Mexico border, announcing a coordinated government-wide response to the situation Friday.

<snip>

The Obama administration has accused syndicates in Latin America of waging a deliberate campaign of misinformation that has caused people in poor Central American countries and Mexico to risk their lives to head for the United States, where they expect to stay.

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said the administration is addressing the problem in several ways.

"We're going to open up some additional detention facilities that can accommodate adults that show up on the border with their children. And we're going to deploy some additional resources to work through their immigration cases more quickly, so they're not held in that detention facility for a long time, and hopefully be quickly returned to their home country," Earnest said.

(much more at link)


http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/politics/us-central-american-immigration/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+Politics%29


Germany's Fed Prosecutor opens investigation into NSA phone tap

From Spiegel Online

Merkel's Mobile: Germany Launches Investigation into NSA Spying

First 4 paragraphs.

Following widespread speculation that the move was imminent, German Federal Prosecutor Harald Range on Wednesday announced he is launching a formal investigation into allegations that the NSA spied on Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile telephone communications.

SPIEGEL had reported on Monday that the federal prosecutor was close to opening formal proceedings. On Wednesday, Range informed the Legal Committee of the Bundestag, Germany's federal parliament, of the pending investigation.

The move marks the next significant chapter in the spying scandal surrounding America's signals intelligence authority, the National Security Agency. It is also the first formal act taken by a German government agency in response to the revelations made public by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The probe could further exacerbate trans-Atlantic relations that have been deeply burdened by the scandal.

The Federal Prosecutor's Office in Karlsruhe opened two "monitoring processes" last year to review the allegations. The first focused on the mass spying of Germans' data by the NSA and the second targeted allegations -- first reported by SPIEGEL in October -- that Merkel's mobile phone had been tapped.



Quite a bit more at link.

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From The Guardian:

Germany opens inquiry into claims NSA tapped Angela Merkel's phone

The first 4 paragraphs:



Germany's federal prosecutor has opened an investigation over alleged snooping by the US National Security Agency (NSA) on Angela Merkel's mobile phone.

"I informed parliament's legal affairs committee that I have started a preliminary investigation over tapping of a mobile phone of the chancellor," Harald Range said.

The long-anticipated inquiry, which follows allegations last year that US spies had eavesdropped on the German chancellor's mobile in the past, is against unnamed persons, Range said after addressing the committee.

However, he said he had decided against opening an investigation into claims of wider NSA surveillance against German citizens.


A bit more at link.

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From the Miama Herald/AP via LBN:

Germany investigates alleged NSA Merkel phone tap

First 4 paragraphs:

BERLIN -- German federal prosecutors have opened an investigation into the alleged monitoring of Chancellor Angela Merkel's cell phone by the U.S. National Security Agency, they said Wednesday.

Chief Prosecutor Harald Range has been mulling for months whether to open a formal probe of the Merkel allegations that emerged in October. The revelations cooled relations between Berlin and Washington, prompting Merkel to accuse the U.S. of a grave breach of trust and President Barack Obama to pledge he would not allow America's massive communications surveillance capability to damage relations with Germany or other close allies.

Range's office said he opened an investigation Tuesday into persons unknown regarding Merkel's phone, a move that could again complicate matters diplomatically.

"Extensive preliminary investigations have established that sufficient factual evidence exists that unknown members of U.S. intelligence services spied on the mobile phone of Chancellor Angela Merkel," Range's office said.


More at link.


Thank you for your help! (edited w/answer; Gish Gallop)

Gish Gallop

The Gish Gallop, named after creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time. The term was coined by Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education. Sam Harris describes the technique as "starting 10 fires in 10 minutes."

The formal debating term for this is spreading. It arose as a way to throw as much rubbish into five minutes as possible. In response, some debate judges now limit number of arguments as well as time. However, in places where debating judges aren't there to call bullshit on the practice (like the Internet) such techniques are remarkably common.


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Another piece I found at the RationalWiki link is:

Argumentum ad tl;dr

A related distraction technique, familiar to readers of A Storehouse of Knowledge, involves swamping an opponent in long-winded screeds of text to artificially inflate the appearance of depth and quality of information presented. Quite often, the actual content of several paragraphs can be summed up in a sentence. While the Gish Gallop floods an opponent with many, but relatively short points, argumentum ad tl;dr flings text walls so massive and impenetrable that even Victor Hugo would blush. Both tactics, however, have exactly the same purpose: to bury and obfuscate the core points that need to be discussed under a quantity of superfluous information. A user might well think that these techniques show that they know what they're talking about, but in the end they act simply as distractions. Note that both are different (but not mutually exclusive) from argumentum ad nauseam, which bolsters the apparent credibility of the argument simply by repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again.

For example, Jason Lisle's blog posts and "research paper" about the anisotropic synchrony convention prattle on endlessly about relativistic physics, hiding the fact that his fundamental assumptions were, to say the least, a little far-fetched. Similarly, engineer Dewey Larson has written numerous books on his theories about matter, going on for pages and pages about the need for critical thinking and letting evidence fit hypotheses, when what he actually proposes in these weighty self-published tomes can be summed up in one sentence.


That also looks very familiar. "Scholars" from aei, heritage foundation, and various other r/w "think tanks," publish many articles using that same form.



--------------My original OP/request for help------------------

Subject line: Help finding a post from the past few days, please.

I'm pretty sure it was posted in the last few days. It was not in an OP but was a reply in a thread.

There is a name for the tactic of rapidly (?) stating lie after lie after lie, twisting facts into lies and calling it "truth," thereby making it impossible to refute each and every lie. I'm sorry I don't remember the exact description.

Someone posted the name of that tactic.

If you were that person or know of that post, please provide a link. If you know the name of that type of "debate tactic," please provide that.

Thank you.

Pioneer Fund: "subsidizing race science and eugenics research"

I tripped over the pioneer fund a few months ago as I was researching the white supremacist groups in the US. I'm dinking around the SPLC* website today and I came across this article.

There are very good reasons why I note sources and authors and I prefer original sources for information and links to their sources; especially if they're quoting statistics and/or research. This is but one of those reasons.

From the SPLC* web site:


Pioneer Fund Assets Divided; New Leadership Appointed


In October 2012, Jean-Philippe Rushton, a Canadian psychology professor and probably the most important race scientist in North America, died of cancer. At the time of his death, Rushton was running the Pioneer Fund, a grant-making entity founded in the 1930s by Americans with Nazi sympathies. In recent decades, Pioneer has been the only major foundation devoted to subsidizing race science and eugenics research, areas of science that are now fully discredited.

Under Rushton, the Pioneer Fund gave out very few grants, concentrating its disbursements on prominent race scientists such as Jared Taylor of the white nationalist group, American Renaissance. Rushton also headed the Charles Darwin Research Institute, located in Port Huron, Mich., an online outfit that distributed his racist research. Rushton’s most infamous study concluded that brain and genital size were inversely related, suggesting that black people are less intelligent than whites and more highly sexualized. Sometime in the last year, the website for the Charles Darwin Research Institute went offline.

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{richard} Lynn {rushton's successor} is a professor emeritus in psychology at the University of Ulster whose personal webpage lists as interests sex and race differences and eugenics (the “science,” much admired by the German Nazis, of selectively breeding human beings to create “better” people). He runs his own outfit, the Ulster Institute for Social Research, which has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in Pioneer grants over the years. The institute appears to be primarily an online effort and is registered to an address near London.

The Pioneer website said that Rushton had left the Charles Darwin Research Institute in the control of his son, Stephen Rushton, an associate professor of education at the University of South Florida. The younger Rushton had served on Pioneer’s board for several years. The Pioneer Fund website further said that Rushton had done so “in the expectation that his son would support research of the kind,” meaning race science, “that had been supported by the Pioneer Fund.” The website said that Stephen Rushton had then “transferred the assets of the Charles Darwin Research Institute to the JSP Education Foundation (JSP stands for John Stephen Philippe).” Lynn and Rushton were listed as contacts for the fund.

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*SPLC; Southern Poverty Law Center (here is where I mention how sad it makes me to have to explain what SPLC stands for)


No valid source for "women own/control/influence" x% of wealth.

'Valid' is used in this instance as defined in the #2 definition of the second definition.

I did some searching and couldn't trace to a source for this assertion. I did find an article at the wsj by "The Numbers Guy" who also couldn't find a source for this 20 year old adage.

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For at least two decades, this number has been a fixture of news articles, marketing websites and books about consumer behavior. And as with many oft-repeated statistics, no one is sure where it originated.

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In addition to having murky origins, the number appear to be wrong. Several recent surveys suggest that men have nearly equal say on spending, and that when men and women live together, both participate in spending decisions. In a survey conducted last year of nearly 4,000 Americans 16 and older by Futures Co., a London consulting firm, just 37% of women said they have primary responsibility for shopping decisions in their household, while 85% said they have primary or shared responsibility. The respective figures for men were similar: 31% and 84%.

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Researchers say so many judgments and emotions go into consumer purchases that it likely isn't possible to measure who makes which household spending decisions.

"{80%} is not a credible figure," says Esther Duflo, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who studies consumer behavior. "There just is not one. How would you possibly estimate it?"


The woman who is often mentioned as the "source" for the numbers, CEO of TrendSight Group, Marti Barletta, has a rather long and arduous blog post describing how she came to to use the 80% figure in 1999 "although there was no primary source for it, it was consistent with the "gestalt" of numbers we did have sources for..." TrendSight group is a marketing strategy firm specializing in marketing based on gender.

This reminds me a lot of the "commonly known fact" that "A woman over age 40 has a better chance of being killed by a terrorist than of getting married. "

As Mark Twain said, "It's not what you don't know that kills you, it's what you know for sure that ain't true."

Fortunately, this particular adage doesn't have deadly consequences, unless you're in the marketing business.

time mag, is, and always has been, a r/w rag.

At its most innocuous, it "just" supports the status quo. The status quo of "America" as the exceptional country with a manifest destiny.

It was founded by henry luce. he also founded life mag. and fortune and sports illustrated. he was a proponent of "American" exceptionalism. he also, "used Time to support right-wing dictatorships in the name of fighting communism." (See his wiki page which is somewhat accurate.)

Do you honestly think that hitler as "man of the year" was a mistake? The fascists hated "communism." Which side do you think old henry, who was "editor-in-chief of all his publications until 1964" and an "influential member of the Republican Party" took in any editorial decisions?

Please learn about the sources quoted and noted here. The number of reliable sources available to us is 0. Any source, no matter how much you may agree with their "reporting," has an agenda. Informing "the masses" accurately and without prejudice is at the bottom of their priorities.

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