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Warren DeMontague

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Name: Weary of Dramaoutrage
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Hometown: Thud
Member since: Thu May 20, 2004, 04:02 AM
Number of posts: 67,108

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the true caliber of a man is measured in scoville units

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There's nothing to debate. You want to debate the ironclad logical argument for something called a

"soul" or a "spirit", I'm not interested. The arguments against - or even before that, the arguments (much like those around "God") saying we bandy these words around far too freely without demanding at least something resembling a concrete definition for them - aren't going to convince people who believe these "things" are real, and the arguments "for" are -inevitably- like I said, tautological when you drill right down to their base.

Your primary assertion in this thread was that the word "God" doesn't carry a religious connotation, or that whatever nebulous connotation it carries has something to do with spiritual containers and somesuch. But that assertion is so bald-faced ludicrous, it doesn't really deserve much of a "debate", sorry. More persuasive, perhaps, is the "Ceremonial Deism" argument which has been validated through assorted SCOTUS rulings, which says that yes God is a religious concept but it's sort of grandfathered into these traditions so we're just not going to fuck with them.

That argument, of course, is rendered fairly moot in the case of the pledge, due to the relatively recent tacking-on of said phrase, AND the fact that we are dealing with Children of myriad faiths and those of no faith who are in public schools as a matter of law, and who by their very nature and station deserve a certain degree of additional respect and protection under the 1A than, say, viewers in the gallery at Congress or people handling money.

But I don't think you're going to find much traction arguing that "God" is not a religious word, a religious concept. Leaving aside the substition of "Allah" or "Zeus" or "Goddess" or something akin, which makes it fairly obvious, most people would agree that "God" is pretty obviously a religious word, a religious concept, so much so that what is it Atheists don't believe in, if not "God" or "Gods"? As such, that line is clearly discriminatory against the conscience of Atheists who wish their kids' rights under the Establishment Clause, again in Public Schools, be respected.

Sure, there are plenty of 12 step meetings where folks find ways to make "God" mean a doorknob or a tree or their friend Ralph. But those sorts of semantic gymnastics should not be forced upon schoolchildren at the price of their freedom of conscience and belief (or lack thereof).
Posted by Warren DeMontague | Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:27 AM (1 replies)

Decidedly Un-Wholesome! and Wholly Inappropriate!


Posted by Warren DeMontague | Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:53 AM (1 replies)

The bottom line is NO ONE HAS ANY RIGHTS AT ALL as long as cops think pot smoking may be involved.

I mean, let's cut to the chase. That's what all these roadside cavity searches in Texas are about. "Got a bag of weeeeeed in there, dontcha"

It's the drug war, and it's been turned into a blank check for Law Enforcement to do whatever the fuck they want, whenever they want.

The woman in the Family Court who was assaulted and the Family Court judge didn't give a shit? She "needed" a "drug search". No reason, she just did. Gotta CHECK FER DRUGZ!

The fundamental conceit of the drug war is that the government owns your body and can tell you what you can or can't do with it. So of course they can probe every inch of it to check for prohibited psycho-alterants.

Posted by Warren DeMontague | Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:33 PM (2 replies)

To paraphrase the Immortal Dr. Seuss:

"Start a new meta thread. Treat it unkind.
Feed it stale outrage, flamebait and wine
Start a week's worth! A month!
All the old, worn out flack
Then perhaps old missed meta,
and its friends
will come back!"

Posted by Warren DeMontague | Sat Aug 3, 2013, 03:15 PM (1 replies)


Espiritu Sanctu, Linguini Al Dente.


Posted by Warren DeMontague | Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:53 PM (0 replies)

The difference being, before meta when ...er, certain people engaged in meta-like behavior in GD

(this thread being an excellent example in action, speaking of meta meta-ing) there wasn't a name for it and it wasn't easily identified.

Admin, in what I have to imagine was either a beautiful accident or an absolutely brilliant piece of 13 dimensional chess, collected all the meta-type crap in one place, allowed it to ferment and fester for a while, and then swiftly and cleanly (to paraphrase will pitt) "cinched that bag off and tossed it out to sea".

So now when the exact same games are attempted in GD- you know, let's wham-wham-wham complain about the members of DU on DU to DU on the topic of DU .... there's precedence for everyone else to go "cough. meta. been there, done that, please give it a rest already".

Clearly, though, some people still dearly miss that place. -sniff!-
Posted by Warren DeMontague | Fri Aug 2, 2013, 01:59 PM (0 replies)

I don't take suggestions on what to do or what not to do from random gherkins on the intertubes.

I don't know, I guess there are billions of people on this planet sitting around like lumps of unformed clay, going "but what should I doooooooooooo?"

And then there are all the people who are so perfectly fucking put together that they KNOW they are exquisitely placed to offer guidance and advice to everyone else on how to micro-manage every damn detail of their affairs.

Shit, folks, Peter Gabriel said it best. DIY.

Posted by Warren DeMontague | Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:13 PM (1 replies)

As a general rule, I don't take advice from anyone whose motto is "I Feel Like Shit and Want To Die"

Posted by Warren DeMontague | Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:24 PM (2 replies)

I love 'tang.

Posted by Warren DeMontague | Sat Jun 15, 2013, 08:14 PM (0 replies)

"M" is for that most a-special feeeeeling

"E" is for Eternal navel gaze
"T" is for the Total useless-os-it-ty
and "A" is for A very empty place!

Put it all together, stir it in a thread... take it out to dinner and then put that crap to bed!

meta! meta! We're so honestly ecstatic they got rid of it!
meta! meta! Except now, where am I supposed to dump all this shit?
Posted by Warren DeMontague | Tue May 21, 2013, 03:57 PM (1 replies)
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