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A reminder for Mitt Romney: President Carter DID give that order.

And doing so effectively cost him his presidency.

Officially it was known as Operation Eagle Claw, although today most Americans would probably recognize it by the name Desert One. In an effort to rescue the 52 American hostages taken prisoner at the US Embassy in Tehran, US Army troops from the Delta Force special operations unit were dispatched to Iran along with transport aircraft and helicopters. The plan: spec-ops teams would strike the US embassy at night, rescue the hostages, and get them to a nearby soccer stadium where helicopters could land, taking both the hostages and the strike team to a captured airfield south of the city, and from there to freedom.

The operation was a complete failure. During the initial infiltration by eight helicopters, a sandstorm forced one to crash, another to turn back, and a third made it to the staging area badly damaged, leaving only five of the six copters that were considered a minimum to go forward. The commanders on site requested an abort, and Carter approved it; during the evacuation of the staging area, one of the helicopters crashed into a C-130 transport plane, destroying both aircraft, killing eight troops, and forcing the other helicopters to be abandoned on site. The event became an international embarrassment for the United States, and ended up being pivotal to Carter's landslide defeat in the election six months later.

Operation Eagle Claw is a perfect example of why "giving that order" is not nearly as simple as Mitt Romney would have you believe. Military special operations have no second chances, and very little margin for error. Something as simple as a storm, mechanical failure, or a pilot making a minor error during a tricky nighttime exercise can result in disaster. Being able to give such an order hinges on being able to know that you are gambling with your entire presidency, and the lives of the men on the ground, and still having the nerve to make a decision based on what is the best course of action, rather than the safest. If Eagle Claw had been successful, it's likely that Carter's surge in popularity and perception could have ended the "Reagan Revolution" before it began. President Obama had the option of safely striking from the air, and maybe never knowing whether they really did get their target, or the dangerous, necessary route of a ground incursion, knowing that it could mean dozens of deaths, diplomatic strife, and his presidency being recorded as a catastrophe. He did it anyway.

Somehow, Mr. Romney, I don't think you have the conviction to make that call.

Once again: The Social Security Trust Fund is neither a fiction nor bankrupt. That is a myth.

Since this has been going around, the myth that wouldn't die, I suppose I need to take a few minutes to correct the facts.

There is a widespread belief and claim, pushed by various people for various reasons, that Social Security has had money "borrowed" or "taken" from it by the government to be spent on whatever, and that therefore it's really secretly empty, been stolen, filled with IOUs, or whatever other story you want to spin. Usually this is pushed in the same breath as implying (or outright stating) that both parties are conspiring to kill seniors and that Social Security is a fraud. Despite that, this storyline has found a substantial home on the left, particularly among the "attack the Democrats" faction.

Here's the thing though: This claim is false. It's not "sort of" or "controversial," it's just outright false. Anyone who pushes this claim is either misinformed or outright lying.

This money has not been "stolen" or "spent" simply because it's not all sitting in one giant vault somewhere gathering dust. It has been invested, in the same way that putting your money into a certificate of deposit isn't the bank stealing from you just because that money is no longer sitting in your pocket. Frankly, I expect to hear that kind of ignorant pseudo-sophistry from the Ron Paul types who live off paranoia and a failure to understand monetary policy, but it always annoys me to hear some on the left claiming something not just wrong but blatantly intended to deceive and undermine confidence.

The Social Security Trust Fund currently contains about $2.6 trillion dollars in assets, mostly in the form of US treasury bonds. These investments are there for the same reason that any money is invested anywhere: to produce returns, in this case increasing Social Security revenue through interest. An interest rate of 2.4%, which is the average that the SSTF collected last year, doesn't sound like much... but on $2.6 trillion dollars, that's $63 billion a year extra that's being collected by the Social Security system. Not to mention that if you simply piled cash in a vault, not only would it not grow in value, the SSTF would actually shrink due to inflation. Because of its investments, Social Security is MORE financially sound, not less, and with no substantive risk since it's based on legally binding US treasury bonds. US bonds are, in fact, legally enshrined in the constitution, with the 14th Amendment establishing that their validity "shall not be questioned."

In summary, the claim that the trust fund has been "stolen" or replaced by "IOUs" is patently wrong, akin to saying that if you can't physically see your money sitting in a bank vault it's not there. It's an absurd claim, and one we should put to rest for good.

Per a jury, calling DUers "fucking gruesome" & "dancing on the graves of poor men" is not rude.

Off a thread about five elephant poachers being killed in a battle with the Kenyan park service, after which they recovered 110 pounds of elephant ivory.

I hate poaching but I am not going to cheer the death of five likely poor men who were trying to find a way to feed their families. You guys are fucking gruesome. The poachers are very much the victims here as well. If you were starving you mean you would not try to kill an animal to feed your kids? Show the same anger against the Chinese and demand we quit importing their shit instead of dancing on the graves of some poor men.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=592623

At Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:59 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

I hate poaching but I am not going to cheer the death

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Personal attacks: "You guys are fucking gruesome." "quit ... dancing on the graves of some poor men."

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Once again, this sort of thing--combined with jury comments like "let the MIRT handle it" while voting to PREVENT the MIRT from seeing the post, and responses like "reply with WORDS not CENSORSHIP!!!11" to vile, hate-filled broad brush attacks on various groups like police, transfolk, etcetera--make me seriously wonder what percentage of DU jury members actually bother to understand what they're doing, and also to wonder whether I would need both hands to count up to that number.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is a laundry list of very, very good reasons that every other forum in the breadth of the internet uses an assigned team of moderators to keep the peace. I should know this, I managed a large moderator team for five years. There's equally good reasons that juries in the real world do not consist of six people pulled at random off the street and asked to make a decision without clearly understanding their responsibilities and instructions. The jury experiment has been interesting, but it isn't viable over the long term if one wants to actually maintain a forum for discussion instead of a mud pit where the loudest and most obnoxious voice wins.

Don't bother listening to the "legal analysts" on the news.

I've said this elsewhere, but it bears repeating for all of DU: don't bother listening to the "legal analysts" that every news channel is going to drag on-air to talk about the Zimmerman case. There's two main reasons why you should ignore them.

First off, they have no reason to accurately talk about the case. Quite the opposite: they have a vested interest in making everything seem as up in the air as humanly possible, to get more people to tune in and more airtime for themselves. So they will pretty much be constantly spinning for whatever side they think is the underdog.

Secondly, like political pundits, they're usually working as legal analysts because they're no longer qualified, trusted, or competent to actually work in the field that they rant about. But that doesn't stop them from pretending to be smarter and more in the know than the people who've actually seen and handled the evidence every step of the way, even though they've never seen one iota more of the facts than whatever rumor and innuendo leaks out to the media.

Here's what really bothers me about DU.

I live in a ridiculously rural area filled with basically almost nothing but Republicans. Those of you who live in similar areas can no doubt understand what I mean when I say that there is a constant attitude in places like this where even mentioning that you're a Democrat makes you a target for people to degrade and ridicule.

I came to DU more than eight years ago because it along with other places I started going around that time offered a safe haven where one could be a Democrat without being subjected to barrages of abuse.

So what happens here? The place becomes overrun by people who use it as a venue to degrade and ridicule Democrats. And yet it gets tolerated, because it comes from the 1% of the country that despite claiming to be on the "left" hates Democrats far more than Republicans.

Reminder: Cell phones do not cause cancer, nor do radio waves make you sick.

After once again seeing a big steaming load of pseudoscientific dung dropped here a little while ago, in the form of an article claiming that cell phone towers and radio waves will make you sick, I thought it was about that time for our regular reminder: they don't.

Every major scientific study has concluded that there is no tangible health risks from radio waves, in the same way that every major scientific study has shown that exercise is good for you and the Earth is more than 6,000 years old. This is not controversial at all. There are no real health risks associated with the average person's exposure to radio waves. And people who claim to be sickened by wireless devices have long since been debunked, since despite claiming immediate ill effects, they're unable to tell the difference between a wireless device which is transmitting and one which isn't even plugged in.

If cell phones actually caused cancer, with now something like 90 cell phones in the US per 100 people, science would dictate that cancer rates would have gone up, whereas they have actually gone DOWN slightly since cell phones became popular. Furthermore, if radio waves were actually in any way harmful, you'd think people would have experienced that from being near radio and TV stations which transmit at a hundred thousand watts, rather than cell phone towers which transmit at a few hundred.

The wild claims you hear about people being sickened by WiFi or getting rashes from cell phone towers are, simply put, junk. You might as well say that they were cursed by a witch--it has as much scientific validity. Either they're people who are hypochondriacs and don't understand that just because something exists doesn't make it dangerous, or they're simply misinformed.

Murder in the first, murder in the second, and manslaughter.

Since we're talking about charges, I thought it might be useful to be clear about some definitions.

The highest degree of murder is, obviously, murder in the first degree. Murder in the first is defined as a murder committed with intent, premeditation, and planning. For instance, if someone schemes out to murder their business partner and make it look like an accident, that would be murder in the first degree. First degree murder depends on the ability to prove premeditation, which is nearly impossible if the killer and the victim didn't previously know each other.

Just below that is murder in the second degree. Murder in the second is functionally identical to first degree murder, but without premeditation and planning. An example would be if someone got into an argument at a bar and ended up stabbing the other person to death, that would be murder in the second degree.

Manslaughter encompasses all other forms of homicide which don't rise to the level of murder, including cases where the person has a temporarily diminished capacity for rational judgment, or deaths arising from negligence or recklessness. For instance, if you had a bar fight that was provoked by the revelation that someone's spouse was cheating on them, and one of the participants ended up dead, that could be manslaughter. Likewise, if you have a fistfight and one of the participants falls and cracks their head open on the pavement, that could also be manslaughter. Or, someone provoking a fight which then ends with them exercising lethal self defense--even if they met the legal definition for self defense, reasonably fearing for their life, they would still be culpable for starting the confrontation which resulted in death, making it manslaughter.

Zimmerman will most likely be charged with either manslaughter or murder in the second. A conviction for manslaughter would be basically a lock in this case, since even Zimmerman's own story basically would incriminate him for that. Murder two is also possible, however this depends heavily on what the prosecutor thinks they can get a conviction on. Most prosecutors will probably go for a 100% chance of a manslaughter conviction over a 75% chance of a murder two conviction simply to eliminate the risk of an acquittal, particularly if the point is to show that someone is not getting away with murder.

The penalty in Florida for murder in the second is a minimum of 16 3/4 years in prison, with up to life in prison or up to life probation at the discretion of the judge.

The penalty in Florida for manslaughter is a minimum of 9 1/4 years in prison, with up to 15 years in prison and/or up to 15 years probation at the discretion of the judge.

They were put in a cell and murdered for who they were.

72 years ago last night the Soviet secret police, the NKVD, began removing Polish prisoners from the camps where they had been kept since last September, when the Soviet Union overran half of Poland in concert with Nazi Germany's invasion of the other half. The Polish Second Republic enlisted anyone who had graduated college as at minimum a reserve officer in the Polish army, meaning that the 8,000 officers the Soviet Union had captured included many of Poland's best and brightest: dozens of university professors, hundreds of doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, and journalists. They had also arrested 6,000 police officers, and another 8,000 civilians on suspicion of being "intelligence agents, gendarmes, landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials and priests."

The Poles were told that they were being released and allowed to return home after their six months of captivity. 395 of the prisoners were deemed to be "of value" by the NKVD; the rest were taken out in groups of 250 every night.

They weren't being taken home. It had been decided a month earlier that if the Poles were released, they would likely end up opposing Soviet rule of Poland. Instead, most were being taken to an isolated location near Katyn Forest. There, they were searched for valuables. One man, named Adam Solski, was writing in his diary about the NKVD taking his wedding ring, when mid-sentence they came to get him.

Each man was placed on his knees in a specially soundproofed cell, and shot in the back of the head. Their bodies were stacked in trucks, and taken out to the forest to be dumped into open pits. When one pit was filled with layer upon layer of bodies, it would be covered over with dirt and a new one used.

Between the killings at Katyn and four other prison sites, by the end of the night over a thousand men were dead. By the end of a month's time, the NKVD executed at least 21,768 people.

One man, Vasili Blokhin, chief executioner of the NKVD, was reported to have personally shot 7,000 of the prisoners. He had supplied himself and the other executioners with German-made Walther pistols, primarily because the Soviet service pistols available were too powerful and had too much recoil--after the first few dozen murders, the executioner's hand might get sore.

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I post this not just in remembrance of the victims, but in remembrance of history. In my opinion, the greatest problem in American politics right now is a failure to know and understand history. From the idealization of a rose-colored past as some kind of time of milk, honey, and American values, to the misuse of phrases like "police state" and "fascism," to the repeating of mistakes learned about long ago about progress and prohibition.

It's not a "police state" or "fascism" when you have to have healthcare coverage, or pay taxes, or can't indefinitely camp on other people's property, or someone gets arrested for committing a crime. If you want to know what fascism means, read about the Polish Jews who were rounded up by the SS in late 1939 and forcibly marched away from their homes, hundreds of miles on foot. The old or sick who fell behind would be shot. Some of the troops would take women away at night and gang rape them, followed by a bullet to the head. When the survivors reached the river that divided German-occupied Poland from the Soviet side, their shoes fallen apart and feet bleeding, some cut to the bone, they were forced at gunpoint to swim the river. Ninety lived to make it across: when the march had begun, there had been almost a thousand of them.

Fascism means you might be murdered because you might oppose the government, or because your mother was a gypsy, or your uncle was a dissident. A police state means having the bodies of your family, still inside the wrecked train car where they died in a collision, hastily buried alongside the track where the accident happened because it might embarrass the government, and being forbidden to take personal effects, photos, or even to talk about it--which is what happened in China just last July. Repression is having military units shelling civilian neighborhoods because the people there had the audacity to demand free and fair elections.

Using words like that to describe a policy in a democratic country, even policies you disagree with in the strongest terms, not only devalues and disrespects the struggles of the people who suffered, died, and still do today under repressive and autocratic dictatorships, but it represents the kind of bourgeois attitude to history and fact that makes rational discourse impossible as a nation.
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