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How SHOCKING and UNREALISTIC to even imagine such a thing!!!!11!11!1


Posted by woo me with science | Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:56 AM (0 replies)

Well, there's a facile argument around here somewhere...

I trust people to figure out which one it is.

(And to the alerters: No, this post is not about Obama himself, but about the entire diseased, bipartisan, corporate money-corrupted system of which he is a part, and that the poster above denies is orchestrating suppression of dissent).

All these indignant denials that we're in trouble take the same form:

We're not being burned alive in ovens, or we're still typing on the internet, or we aren't being lined up in the streets and shot (well, that one's starting to get debatable, isn't it...).

As though the corporate owners of the United States of America, who rely on its reputation as the beacon of freedom and democracy in the world, can't find more effective and less politically damaging means to make sure dissent never materializes into anything seriously threatening to the PTB.

Psst. Our president has a "Kill List." And indefinite detention. And a surveillance state. And an entire secret government, secret laws and secret courts, operating alongside the one we are taught about in school. And all it takes to become part of that is for someone to invoke the word, "terrorism" and relate it to you.

"But that's a high bar!" all the sensible woodchucks will protest. "I TRUST my president! And it's only for TERRORISTS!"

Really? And do you trust the next one?

Actually, we're all being spied on. And "terrorism" is being invoked as a weapon against political dissent.

Report Details How Counter Terrorism Apparatus Was Used to Monitor Occupy Movement Nationwide

Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' -

ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists'

And the most sinister aspect of all of this is the fact that the language of terrorism and espionage is being actively expanded to include whatever citizens or groups the corporatists consider to be irritants: political enemies, protesters, even journalists.

Protestors against Energy Company charged with terrorism

Mission Creep: When Everything is Terrorism

US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer"

Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA

NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press

Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined

If you are a One Percenter trying to effectively use the government you have purchased to manage unpleasant press about what you are doing, what do you do? Well, one tactic might be to try to get the government into the business of deciding who is a journalist. That way you can claim to establish "protections" for whistleblowers, when what you are actually doing is creating categories through which you can exclude from protection those you don't want to protect.

Yeah, journalism isn't doing too well in this country. One might say it is being murdered. There's a reason it's supposed to be protected by the First Amendment. That reason is not compatible with increasingly totalitarian corporate control.

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -

Reporters without Borders: 'Security interests threaten press freedom'

US Plummets In Press Freedom Rankings

Obama's escalating war on Freedom of the Press

Risen Case: War on Journalism coming to a head

Government Surveillance Is Crippling Press Freedoms, Report Shows

So....you shut up the journalists.

And you shut up the protesters.

Who else do you need to shut up?

Ah....all the people who work for the government, many of whom can be assumed to still have consciences and thus be potentially dangerous to the corporate coup of democracy. How do you handle them?

Well, you can fire them. See, it's *useful* for the government of an ostensibly free nation to have highly visible groups like the ones you mention...Black Panthers, etc....and not to deny them employment or do anything serious to them. It gives the illusion of freedom. But look what we learned of just this week, about how firings happen at the Fed:

But you can also wage legal war against their power to function as whistleblowers. And you assault the unions that protect them.

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers, federal unions

You can institute draconian snitch rules to intimidate those who might be thinking about whistleblowing:

President's 'rat out your co-worker' plan unlikely to work, experts say

And you claim the right to spy on them even at home.

You let the dissent flourish, as long as it's safe dissent. But you take care of the stuff that has the potential to be truly threatening. Most importantly, you make a vicious example of those who carry through with revealing corruption:

Daniel Ellsburg: Snowden would not get a fair trial today, was right to flee US

Bradley Manning: top US legal scholars voice outrage at torture

That includes those who whistleblow on financial institutions, not just the government. Since you're not prosecuting the banking criminals, you have plenty of time to send up a guy who tried to identify them:

Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison

It's a delicate line to walk, all this intimidation while still claiming to be the beacon of freedom for the world. But the intimidation is necessary, because people are starting to catch on.

No, nobody has sent the jackboots to line up the protesters in front of everyone and methodically kill them. But we're seeing the next best thing.

Militarizing the hell out of the police departments. That way it's blamed on some "programs"....but it sends a clear psychological message to the upstarts.

Stopping police militarization: Once again, the solution requires confronting corporate politicians.

Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments in America.

And then you get this:

And this:

Three of the five Occupy violence pics I used to use regularly now I cannot find anywhere on the internet; if I could, I'd put them here, too. The elderly woman tear-gassed, the mobs of jackbooted storm troopers surrounding a few people on a blanket...

And, meanwhile, out in the community, the militarized police are starting to terrorize ordinary citizens, mostly the impoverished and voiceless ones. But the corporate-controlled federal government keeps sending the hardware and the storm trooper uniforms, even encouraging it with grants, and they refuse to keep records on how many citizens have been murdered. How many were there this week?

"What I've Learned from Two Years Collecting Data on Police Killings...
...I'm convinced to my core: The lack of such a database is intentional."

Twenty-Three People Killed by American Police in the Span of One Week

We're all suspects, potential terrorists now. and the mechanisms are in place to ensure that any dissent that begins to bubble up can be handled and eliminated before it materializes in any serious way.

The truth is that you don't know what dissent may have already been cut off at the root, because of the elaborate, secret, unaccountable system that has been put into place. We know that the president has sought the power to lie in response to Freedom of Information requests. We know that data collected from NSA spying has been used to imprison Americans using false evidence trails. We know that the CIA can spy on the Senate Intelligence Committee with impunity and nothing is done about it, and that Clapper can lie to Congress and the Department of Justice can lie to the Supreme Court about spying and nothing is done. These are just the things we know.

DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To Freedom of Information Requests - Even To The COURTS

DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance

The sensible woodchucks keep telling us that someone has to be actively involved in VERY SERIOUS TERRORISM against the United States of America in order for our government to start throwing *that* word around, or showing an interest in us. But we are all surveilled, and the methods for it keep expanding. If you think about it, it's GOOD for corporate control to have people posting dissent on the internet. It helps you know whom to watch. Voiced dissent is USEFUL as long as it doesn't lead to anything...you know, serious. Our corporate government is keeping an eye on us.

OKC protestors slapped with terrorism charges

A Nation of "Suspects"

American Protesters Declared Enemy for Weapons Testing Purposes; Rules of Engagement

DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism"

Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...

Doctors asked to identify potential terrorists under government plans

Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist

Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers

"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret, in 2010)

Now, you tell me.

Why would the corporatists who have purchased into our government and rely on its reputation as the beacon of freedom and democracy for the world, use such heavy-handed and politically damaging tactics as shutting down the internet or ostentatiously lining up protesters to shoot them in the streets, when they have already put into place and legalized this elegant system to control dissent?

Yeah, I'm typing on the internet. That PROVES we're free.

Posted by woo me with science | Sun Sep 28, 2014, 05:09 PM (1 replies)

It's mutual.

We're all in this together, trying to wake up a brainwashed nation. Your post asking people to think about the need for peaceful revolution is spot on.

NSA Affiliated Spy Satellite Mission Patch Slogan: "NOTHING IS BEYOND OUR REACH."

Posted by woo me with science | Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:08 AM (1 replies)

Eric Holder's Greatest Hits


Attorney General Eric Holder: If the President Does It, It’s Legal
John W. Whitehead
Attorney, President of The Rutherford Institute, and author of 'A Government of Wolves'

The military can detain anyone, including American citizens, it deems a threat to the country. Not only has the DOJ persisted in defending a provision of the National Defense Authorization Act that sanctions indefinite detentions of Americans, but it has also blasted the federal judge who ruled the NDAA to be vague and chilling as overstepping the court’s authority and infringing on Obama’s power to act as Commander in Chief.

Presidential kill lists and drone killings are fine as long as the president thinks someone might have terrorist connections. Holder has gone to great lengths to defend Obama’s use of drones to target and kill American citizens, even on U.S. soil, as legally justifiable. In fact, a leaked DOJ memo suggests that the President has the power to murder any American citizen the world over, so long as he has a feeling that they might, at some point in the future, pose a threat to the United States.

The federal government has the right to seize the private property—cash, real estate, cars and other assets—of those suspected of being “connected” to criminal activity, whether or not the suspect is actually guilty. The government actually collects billions of dollars every year through this asset-forfeiture system, which it frequently divvies up with local law enforcement officials, a practice fully supported by the DOJ and a clear incentive for the government to carry out more of these “takings.”

Warrantless electronic surveillance of Americans’ telephone, email and Facebook accounts is not only permissible but legal. According to court documents, more Americans have had their electronic communications spied on as a result of DOJ orders for phone, email and Internet information—40,000 people alone in 2011—and that doesn’t even begin to take into account agencies outside Holder’s purview, terrorism investigations or requests by state and local law enforcement officials.

Much, much more at link, including:

* Judicial review is far from necessary.
* Due process and judicial process are not the same.
* Government whistleblowers will be bankrupted, blacklisted, blackballed and in some cases
* Government transparency is important unless government officials are busy,
can stonewall, redact, obfuscate or lie about the details,
are able to make the case that they are exempt from disclosure
or that it interferes with national security.
* When it comes to Wall Street, justice is not blind.
* Not all suspects should have the right to remain silent.

Defense and expansion of the most malignant of Bush policies, and broad assaults on the very foundations of our democratic system.

Posted by woo me with science | Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:01 PM (16 replies)

No, we're not a democracy.

No, we're not a democracy:

Jimmy Carter: "America has no functioning democracy."

Totalitarianism, American Style

"Friendly Fascism"

The American Propaganda State

And no, Americans are not right-leaning:

USA Is A Center-Right Nation? Nope...

America has never been a center right nation.

Not this nonsense again.

Posted by woo me with science | Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:26 PM (0 replies)

Just a Republican thing, huh?

War is Peace!

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?

Social Media and the Stasi

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border

One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Control'

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers

U.S. Plunges in Global Press Freedom Rankings As Obama Wages War on Whistleblowers

Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear

President Obama on Whistleblowers: Then and Now -

Obama's unprecedented war on whistleblowers

James Risen: Obama Is 'Greatest Enemy To Press Freedom In A .

An Assault from Obama's Escalating War on Journalism

Obama administration to reveal legal justification for killing Americans

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush

NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..

Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk collection

NSA can store a billion cell phone calls.

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret 2010)

PBS Frontline Exposes (Softly) Bush's and Obama's Authorization and Coverup of NSA Spying

Stopping police militarization = confronting corporate politicians (increased under Obama)

Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -

Rachel Maddow on David Miranda and the White House

Obama Pentagon Employs Bush-Era Propagandists to Screen Embedding Journalists

Obama the Conservative: Little Hope for Change

Obama: After 911, we tortured some folks.

Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe

"My Head Exploded When Obama Sanctimoniously Said, 'We Tortured Some Folks'"

Obama Administration: Further Legitimizing Targeted Assassinations by Drones

Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent

President Obama’s Dragnet (New York Times Editorial)

Posted by woo me with science | Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:49 AM (9 replies)

No, what is being done to this country is not

just another flavor of capitalism within an essentially functioning democratic government.

It's not.

As a former president of the United States put it, we don't have a functioning democracy anymore.

We are witnessing an ongoing process of merger of state and corporation (one definition of fascism) that is truly frightening. The very foundations of our democratic system are being actively dismantled by the corporate politicians you defend.

We have lost much of the Bill of Rights. There is a secret, unaccountable government operating alongside the one we are taught about at school, and it has the power of mass surveillance and dossiers on citizens, secret laws and secret courts, the power to smear and lie and disinform, to suppress protest and political dissent, and to indefinitely imprison and even murder American citizens without transparency and without due process.

Our intelligence and security agencies have been co-opted and are being used to surveil peaceful domestic protest and to engage in corporate espionage. Our purchased government actors are using every means possible - the courts, "trade" agreements, legislation, executive actions - to restructure and rig the system to pass power to corporations that used to belong to the people of this nation.

Journalism has been hobbled through intimidation/abuse of espionage laws and by active consolidation and purchase by corporate entities that parrot the party lines....and our precious internet is being handed over to those same corporations as we speak. Whistleblowers and potential government whistleblowers are under unprecedented surveillance and assault. Our police departments have been militarized, and peaceful protests federally surveilled *in cooperation* with Wall Street and brutally suppressed.

Legislation coming out of our corrupt, purchased government bears no resemblance whatsoever to the popular will and hasn't for a long time. And the wealth of ordinary Americans is being looted, and our commons are being looted, to fill the pockets of the billionaires, bankers, and corporations who are building this new corporatocracy hurtling into fascism.

We hear a lot of lies and propaganda and Newspeak, most likely funded through our own tax dollars. We are told that our system is functioning, that we need only vote harder next time. We are told that the politicians perpetrating these assaults on our nation are "centrists" or "moderates," with the safe, warm connotations of those words. How could anything "moderate" or in the "center" be dangerous? But these are extreme, even fascistic policies, and it is time we called them out for what they are.

They are assaults on democracy itself. They are assaults on our Constitution. They are assaults on every one of us.

And it needs to stop now.
Posted by woo me with science | Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:17 PM (1 replies)

THANK YOU. I was enraged the first time I saw commercials on TV

begging for money for veterans. And I have only gotten angrier, thinking about it.

They are structured just like the ASPCA ads, or the Feed the Children ads, except that instead of beaten puppies, they have pictures of veterans who've had their limbs blown off or are living with brain damage or severe PTSD.

You're supposed to send 19 dollars a month.

There are no words for the obscenity of this profitmongering machine and a government that will not even meet the needs of the soldiers it maims. We have how many veterans on FOOD STAMPS (just slashed, by the way, with the signature of our "Democratic" president), benefits are still being cut and called "military cuts," and soldiers have to beg for money from private citizens to meet their basic needs.

It is evil. There is no excuse for it. IT. MUST. END.
Posted by woo me with science | Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:43 PM (0 replies)

Zero evidence that "our being better off...from a human rights perspective"

is the focus, goal, or even a passing thought of the MIC.

On the contrary, all of recent history suggests that the focus of the MIC is the by-now familiar cycle of destabilization -> crisis -> bombs -> profit.

Rinse in blood and repeat.

It is time to stop imagining what we wish the MIC would do and instead look at the actual track record and the financial ties.


We have a long history by which to evaluate the behavior of the MIC. This is part of a well-established pattern of crisis, intervention, destabilization, and crisis. It is a cycle, and it is linked to the military INDUSTRY which profits from it all. We have to stop reacting to the crises that the MIC's own behavior creates. ISIS is not the first former "ally" we have ended up bombing.

I'm going to link again to this post by JackRiddler that I think should have hundreds of recommendations:


Add in the one by IchingCarpenter for good measure: We are at this point bombing our own guns:


The MIC's own behavior ensures the continuation of this cycle of violence. As JackRiddler's post points out, there are things they could do to show good faith in actually trying to end the violence rather than perpetuating this cycle, but their behavior, and the behavior of US politicians, does exactly the opposite.

It's a racket. It's shock doctrine. We're always reacting to a crisis we helped create, and we ignore the ones behind the scenes getting filthy rich from it all. Meanwhile, our country is hollowed out from all our money being poured into war.

And more mothers will weep over graves, more nations will be devastated for profit, and the warmongers laugh all the way to a new private island.
Posted by woo me with science | Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:30 PM (0 replies)

Well, we have some precedent for what gets put on the table during corporate "emergencies."

Last time we faced a shock doctrine "crisis," we ended up with *more* austerity than Paul Ryan originally wanted.

Hell, just in the past month or two we got a farm bill based on "pension smoothing" and a hefty cut in FOOD STAMPS.


We are bought and sold. We are farm animals for profit.
Posted by woo me with science | Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:10 PM (0 replies)
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