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No, the perversion of our electoral process by corporatism needs to be called out,

identified for its perversity and antidemocratic structure, and rejected.

This nation has been propagandized and slowly manipulated into a fake, sham democracy. We do not have a functioning representative democratic system anymore, and the farce that has been made of our political campaigns by the two purchased corporate parties needs to be called out for the corruption it is.

Bernie calls it out by sheer contrast. He is behaving as candidates have an obligation to behave in a representative political system. He is talking about his agenda in clear and specific terms. He is responding to voters. He is answering their questions. He is being honest about how he will represent them.

What a contrast to what we have grown accustomed to in our slick, purchased, corrupt system. We had almost forgotten what real representation looks like.

Almost.

It is not acceptable for candidates to run campaigns based on glossy ads and stage-managed appearances, and for their claims to support one agenda, when their entire history screams another agenda, to go unchallenged by a bootlicking press.

Our debates have been taken over by the corrupt political machines themselves and perverted, watered down and hypermanaged into meaningless personality pageants. Candidates deliberately avoid taking direct, unscripted questions about their agendas, and purchased media enable them by avoiding the most important issues of our time, such as the TPP. The contempt for voters has become so pervasive and so normalized that the official survey of voters by the Democratic Party last year didn't even bother to mention the TPP or other critical issues of our time. What passes as "political" commentary on teevee (and thanks to corrupt astroturfing, increasingly on political discussion boards...) has devolved into shiny objects and smear. Last election, the Obama campaign actually *refused* to disclose its plans on Social Security to voters. This election season has ramped up the contempt, as Hillary Clinton refuses to answer questions on MOST issues as a matter of routine.

No, it's not acceptable. It's obscene.

What has been perpetrated on our representative election system is a crime against the American people and a crime against the world. The dismantling of our democracy by corporate politicians who have perverted our democratic government with secret laws, secret courts, mass surveillance, and mass propaganda machines targeted at Americans, in order to rewrite our laws to funnel the wealth of this nation to a few criminals at the top and to prevent the masses from defending ourselves, is a crime.

Advocating a Third Way policy agenda, representing the One Percent rather than the 99 percent, defending the for-profit warmongering of the MIC, and avoiding the press and pandering to voters by claiming she supports policies she has historically opposed are all legitimate and important points of criticism.

We have a grave, systemic problem in this country. It is problem of filthy corporate money buying our elections and our political candidates. Hillary Clinton is the poster candidate for this problem. She is intimately tied to Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street, and her record promises more of the corporate looting and dismantling of democracy that have hollowed out the middle class in this nation and turned us from representative democratic nation into an authoritarian oligarchy with secret laws, secret courts, mass surveillance, militarized police, crushing of whistleblowing and dissent, endless war for profit, and systematic exploitation of the 99 percent for the profit of the One Percent.

This suggestion that calling out a predatory corporate record is "tearing down" a Democrat, or that saying something negative about a candidate's record is somehow unseemly, as though we were at a social gathering where if you can't say something nice, you shouldn't say anything at all....This is a Third Way tactic to change the rules of politics. To silence strong, well-founded opposition to candidates whose associations and policies are malignant to ordinary Americans.

Hillary's record is that of a Third Way, corporate-purchased politician. It promises more looting and exploitation of the 99 percent, more bloody warmongering for profit, and more defense of an increasingly authoritarian, undemocratic police and surveillance state, where whistleblowers are not safe. And her campaign so far is a screaming example of the manipulation that corporate candidates have used to inflict these crimes on Americans. Substituting representation with advertising and manipulation, targeting and smearing opponents, and avoiding any real interaction with voters that would require her to defend and explain her record in honesty and detail.

It is the civic duty of American citizens to speak honestly about the monied corruption of our system and to advocate against purchased candidates and for actual representatives of the people. We can't afford four more years of corporate predation.


The Clinton Dynasty's Horrific Legacy: More Drug War, More Prisons
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/clinton-dynasty-horrific-legacy-more-drug-war-more-prisons

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Hillary pushes for increases in H1B visas and outsourcing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6405669

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112772326

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

More from Hillary Clinton's State Department: The fascistic TISA (Trade in Services Agreement)
http://m.thenation.com/blog/180572-grassroots-labor-uprising-your-bank

How Hillary Clinton's State Department sold fracking to the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251376647

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar

Corporate Warfare: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

The Bill and Hillary Clinton Money Machine Taps Corporate Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025189257

Hillary's Privatization Plan: TISA kept more secret than the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014829628

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Some of Hillary Clinton's statements on Social Security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279

Hillary Clinton's GOLDMAN SACHS PROBLEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025049343

Ring of Fire: Hillary Clinton - The Perfect Republican Candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209285

How Americans Need Answers From Hillary Clinton On TPP, KXL, Wall St & More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017181611

Hillary Clinton Left Out By Liberal Donor Club
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025809071

Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016106575

Hillary Clinton: Neocon-lite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101684986

Interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's connections to the Forbes top 400 (Follow link in post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025824981#post9

The Warmongering Record of Hillary Clinton "I urged him to bomb..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026219783

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Hillary defends Israel on Gaza carpet bombing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025274041

Hillary tacks right of Obama on foreign policy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024707589

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

Hillary Clinton Praises George W. Bush and the Art of Compromise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026394878

Hillary Clinton's role in right-wing Honduran coup and aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

Hillary Clinton's Horrifying Iraq War Vote Still Matters.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/hillary-clintons-iraq-war-vote-still-matters-9737

Secret recordings show US military and a Democratic congressman distrusted Hillary Clinton on Libya (lying, manipulating intelligence)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025364869

Obama didn't go as far as Hillary now says she wanted to go in smashing Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251375376

Hand in Hand With Kissinger: A Review of Hillary Clinton’s Review
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016102317

Hillary Clinton Serves Us KISSINGER KOOL-AID
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025504036

MJ - Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025493748



Posted by woo me with science | Fri May 29, 2015, 09:54 PM (2 replies)

We will see the entrenched corruption more clearly in this campaign than in any other


in recent memory, because we finally have an honest candidate who will

(1) shine a glaring light on the corruption by sheer contrast

and

(2) draw out all the filthiest tricks that corrupt machines use to attack real threats to their power.


I hope Bernie is being very, very careful about his safety. He is taking on the oligarchy, the corrupt political machines, the MIC, and the deep state that has already shown it will stop at nothing to preserve its power.



Posted by woo me with science | Fri May 29, 2015, 09:34 PM (3 replies)

Good god. It's been so long.




Good god, it's been so long since we had honest politicians who actually responded to the people.

What a breath of fresh air. And what a shocking reminder, through sheer contrast, of how perverse, corrupt, manipulative, and unrepresentative the system has become in corrupt corporate hands.

The contrast between Hillary's manipulative non-answers, the smear jobs by her mouthpieces, and her hiding from the press....and Bernie's honesty and specificity and responsiveness, day after day, issue to issue....could not be more telling.



Posted by woo me with science | Fri May 29, 2015, 09:06 PM (111 replies)

People have had enough of the worship of money over caring for human beings.


This nation has become predatory, and I think there is a growing tide of awareness that we need to change this nation in fundamental ways. To value human beings again. To embrace liberal values.

There is a pushback now, demanding that this nation value people over profits. That is why Bernie is surging in the polls, why Hillary will continue to fall, and why the nation is crying out for honest, genuine liberal values and principles.
Posted by woo me with science | Thu May 28, 2015, 09:29 PM (2 replies)

+10000 Standard MO of our corrupt government now

and our corrupt political machines.

Imagine if we could see the black budget for propaganda these days.




Obama taps "cognitive infiltrator" Cass Sunstein for Committee to create "trust" in NSA:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023512796

Editor of major German newspaper says he planted stories for CIA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026163872

Salon: Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal: Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

The US government's online campaigns of disinformation, manipulation, and smear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097

Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting posters is blatant and unnatural.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367

U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News To Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023262111

The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.*
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

The government figured out sockpuppet management but not "persona management."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242

The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4159454

Seventeen techniques for truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741

Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1208351




Posted by woo me with science | Mon May 25, 2015, 06:49 PM (1 replies)

K&R. He points out the perversion of our democracy itself.


He points out how deliberately sick the corporate messaging has become.


My new favorite example is all the Third Way lecturing in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026725626

that it's RUDE to bring up Hillary's war policies on Memorial Day!

You see, it's a plastic, corporate holiday now, for cheering empty platitudes about peace from the very politicians who vote for the wars of profit and orchestrate the bloodshed.
Posted by woo me with science | Mon May 25, 2015, 06:34 PM (2 replies)

Cluster Bombs Are Not Good For Children, Hillary

An important post from 2008:

Cluster bombs are not good for children, Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x345179

RECOMMEND THE WHOLE ARTICLE AT: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/13/7655 /

....

On September 6, 2006, a Senate bill–a simple amendment to ban the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas–presented Senator Clinton with a timely opportunity to protect the lives of children throughout the world.

The cluster bomb is one of the most hated and heinous weapons in modern war, and its primary victims are children.

Senator Obama voted for the amendment to ban cluster bombs. Senator Clinton, however, voted with the Republicans to kill the humanitarian bill, an amendment in accord with the Geneva Conventions, which already prohibit the use of indiscriminate weapons in populated areas.

Posted by woo me with science | Mon May 25, 2015, 03:29 PM (117 replies)

No, the disrespect is in policies like this from corporate politicians.


The disrespect is in allying with profit-mongering neocons over human lives. Blood for profit. Wars of choice. Human death, despair, and devastation. Trade agreements that excuse human trafficking. Torture. Imprisonment of whistleblowers. Mass spying. Looting:



The Warmongering Record of Hillary Clinton "I urged him to bomb..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026219783

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Hillary defends Israel on Gaza carpet bombing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025274041

Hillary tacks right of Obama on foreign policy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024707589

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

Hillary Clinton Praises George W. Bush and the Art of Compromise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026394878

Hillary Clinton's role in right-wing Honduran coup and aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

Hillary Clinton's Horrifying Iraq War Vote Still Matters.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/hillary-clintons-iraq-war-vote-still-matters-9737

Secret recordings show US military and a Democratic congressman distrusted Hillary Clinton on Libya (lying, manipulating intelligence)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025364869

Obama didn't go as far as Hillary now says she wanted to go in smashing Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251375376

Hand in Hand With Kissinger: A Review of Hillary Clinton’s Review
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016102317

Hillary Clinton Serves Us KISSINGER KOOL-AID
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025504036

MJ - Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025493748



Enough lying and pandering. Enough corruption. Enough contempt from corporate politicians.


National Shame: 50,000 Homeless Veterans Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017236236

Senators who voted to cut the pensions of US military veterans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024718942

2010: Obama signs bill cutting 2.2 billion from food stamps
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x309

Politicians Thank Veterans For Their Service, Then Cut Programs To Feed Them
http://nhlabornews.com/2013/11/politicians-thank-veterans-for-their-service-then-cut-programs-to-feed-them/

2013: Food Stamp Cuts: A Bipartisan Scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023965717

Study paints picture of aging, homeless veterans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002241657

"A nation that does not care for its war veterans has no business making new ones."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025591231














Posted by woo me with science | Mon May 25, 2015, 03:08 PM (0 replies)

And people are HUNGRY for it.



Did you notice the shock and appreciation that a candidate was ACTUALLY ANSWERING THEIR QUESTIONS?

People have become so used to the scripted non-answers they routinely get from corporate politicians now that they are SHOCKED when a politician actually treats them with respect and answers honestly and with specifics:

Rooonaldooo99 105 points 2 hours ago
Answering questions this deep down? Shit, if I'm honest I wouldn't do that. With every answer I like this guy even more. And on top of that he wants to cut student debt? Sign me up.


SmeeMaiMen 464 points 2 hours ago
Wow, I respect the fact that you can answer the hardball questions. This says a lot about your character


ViperRT10Matt 2814 points 2 hours ago
Whelp, you actually answered the non-PR-friendly question. This puts you way ahead of most of the AMAs around here.


the_ak 822 points 2 hours ago
As a non American, please America elect this guy president. Please.


Bernie is doing this nation a deeply important service. He's re-teaching American citizens what we have a right to expect from candidates in a representative political process.

His honesty and clarity re:policy expose by sheer contrast how corrupted into vapid, empty, fake democracy our elections have become in the hands of corporate politicians.







Posted by woo me with science | Tue May 19, 2015, 07:50 PM (1 replies)

See post 21. You are excusing her

for hiding her positions from voters. That's a slimy position to take.

You can't use corrupt media as an excuse for corporate politicians to deceive voters and deliberately hide from the democratic process.

If Hillary were truly concerned about corrupt media, she would be calling out their avoidance of real issues and doing her best to work around them to make her agenda clear. That is what Bernie Sanders is doing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026685757

Instead, she is USING corrupt media as an excuse to avoid taking positions on issues where her actual positions are unpopular, and predatory. She is the poster candidate for the vapid, policy-avoidant, entertainment pageants our elections have become under corporate rule. She ought to be ashamed.
Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 09:35 PM (1 replies)
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