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So sick of the pretending that it's some bizarre psychological problem,

rather than a glaring, blatant, systemic corporate money/corruption problem.

We have united oligarchy, not gridlocked democracy.
Posted by woo me with science | Wed Nov 19, 2014, 06:15 PM (1 replies)

Ditto for corporate Democrats, who have fought to defend spying all along,

and whose sham "reform" bill here would have legalized phone spying permanently instead of allowing it to expire.

As usual, the entire sham partisan battle is a propagandist's wet dream: Set up a pseudo battle to divide people into their Red and Blue teams and get them to take sides in a false choice in which the spying agenda is advanced either way. Anything to keep us from uniting to demand ACTUAL cessation of the spying.

We have united oligarchy, not gridlocked democracy.
Posted by woo me with science | Wed Nov 19, 2014, 12:25 PM (1 replies)

Bullshit. The spying is a bipartisan goal of our corporate oligarchy,

and the Obama administration and corporate Democrats have fought to defend it at every turn.

Moreover, this Trojan horse bill would have LEGALIZED and made permanent major aspects of the spying instead of allowing them to expire.

The Third Way propaganda trying to rewrite history in front of our faces and try to pretend that corporate Democrats have not been complicit in spying all along has reached the point of embarrassment for the propaganda machine.

No, spying does not have to be here to stay. A mass surveillance infrastructure of totalitarianism has no place in a country that claims to be a representative democracy with a Constitution, notwithstanding all despicable attempts by the corporate propaganda machine to normalize it and pretend it is something Americans should roll over and accept.
Posted by woo me with science | Wed Nov 19, 2014, 12:02 PM (0 replies)

Yes. It was a Trojan horse bill to legalize spying


Sorry to interrupt the lovefest but I get nausea from people lauding Obama for the same things we hated Bush for. Being hypocrites is a HUGE reason we lost the midterms. People voted against the government in general which they should but unfortunately it wasn't directed at Republicans. But all the backslapping about how great the government under Obama is is simply naive, myopic and arrogant. Sorry but a few breaks doesn't make up for spying on citizens, imprisoning citizens(do people ignore the statistics in their ivory towers?), torture, wars, wall st giveaways, lack of transparency, more lobbyists in regulatory positions, secret trade agreements etc etc. But a loser always blames the other side. I know how wrong and vile Repubs are but when you go along with them and be subservient to them for favors, fame and status how can we complain and blame Rand Paul? My understanding is that this bill not only sucked but did the opposite of its (stated) intention. We were lucky Repubs opposed it out of their ironic sheer hatred of Obama. In this case they voted against their own special interests BECAUSE if no bill is passed the spying provisions EXPIRE which is more important than any fake reforms. It's our fault we handed them this issue. Obama rolled over for the intelligence community much like he joined these same Republicans stalling the release of the Torture Report until they got a Senate majority to squash it. If I am wrong about the spying provision sunsetting please tell me. If I'm wrong fine then...if I'm not then you are embarrassing yourselves and hence all of us.

Typical, slimy MO of corporatists, to use propaganda to try to present as "reform" legislation that would actually legalize and make permanent. broad swaths of the spying.

Posted by woo me with science | Wed Nov 19, 2014, 11:55 AM (2 replies)

The corporate MO: Manipulation, not representation.

Corporatists don't represent human beings or stand for values and principles.

They advertise, lie, spin, dissemble, and hire PR firms to figure out how best to manipulate human beings to maximize their profit.

It's a stark contrast:

Bernie Sanders DROPS A TRUTH BOMB Re: Keystone


Hillary Clinton refuses to say now where she stands on Keystone pipeline

Posted by woo me with science | Wed Nov 19, 2014, 08:50 AM (1 replies)

Huge K&R. They are not "centrists." They are extremists dismantling democracy itself.

I could not agree with you more strongly:

Yes, the use of the word "Centrism" for THESE policies is Orwellian as hell

"Centrism" to me carries a deliberate connotation of being "in the center"..in other words, not extreme in either direction. Ditto for the word "moderate," which is constantly used to describe Third Way politicians whose policies are anything but moderate in the traditional sense of the word.

Austerity and attacks on safety nets in a country that has already devastated its middle class are opposed by over 80 percent of Americans across party lines, yet these Third Way economic positions are nevertheless described as "centrist," as though they fell in the mainstream of American opinion. Policies coming out of our government now routinely bear little resemblance to what people have repeatedly stated in polls that they want, and neoliberal politicians lie their way through campaigns because they realize how unpopular their positions really are...yet we persist in calling them "centrists."

Secret laws, secret courts, "Kill Lists"/indefinite detention without due process, and mass surveillance in the United States of America are extreme violations of our Constitution and should not be considered "moderate" positions in any sense of the word. They are extreme, even fascistic policies, yet the politicians who espouse them are permitted by us to describe themselves as "moderates."

I think we need to start using the words, "corporatist," "extreme," and even "fascist" to describe what is happening in this country under the corporatist/neoconservative/neoliberal/Third Way agenda. We are witnessing a malignant merger of state and corporations and the active dismantling of important Constitutional protections. The corporate state is pouring our tax dollars into propaganda and marketing for their agenda, and IMO the vast majority of Americans, while aware of their own economic pain, have little understanding of the peril facing our democratic institutions and basic Constitutional protections.

We use words that suggest the current neoliberal and neocon policies are business as usual in America...just another flavor of policies that Americans can trust still fall safely within the boundaries of a democratic, constitutional, representative political system. They are "centrist" or "moderate." But they really aren't...and I think we need to adjust our labels to drive home the seriousness of the crisis we face.

Let's not forget what we are really dealing with. The Third Way was NEVER a grass-roots phenomenon. It is a deliberate, Wall-Street bankrolled infiltration of the Democratic Party.

Their agenda *and* their relentless propaganda are all part of a deliberate, treasonous corporate coup of democracy:

When the DLC connections to the Koch Bros. became well known, they just rebranded the infiltration

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS

GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Way’s Advice for the Democratic Party

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC

Same companies behind the GOP are behind the DLC

Posted by woo me with science | Wed Nov 19, 2014, 08:31 AM (4 replies)

No. Absolutely not. Al Franken voted for NDAA and the Patriot Act.

Al Franken defends mass surveillance.

He supported SOPA and PIPA.

He joined with Republicans to defeat an amendment restoring funds to the food stamp program.

He wil not seriously challenge the corporate takeover that is dismantling democracy in this country.

We can and must do much, much better. We need Bernie Sanders or someone very like him.

Posted by woo me with science | Tue Nov 18, 2014, 11:15 AM (0 replies)

K&R Important, important post.

Posted by woo me with science | Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:04 PM (0 replies)

Yeah, that's all we need (dripping, grim sarcasm).

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?

Social Media and the Stasi

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border

One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Control'

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers

U.S. Plunges in Global Press Freedom Rankings As Obama Wages War on Whistleblowers

Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear

President Obama on Whistleblowers: Then and Now -

Obama's unprecedented war on whistleblowers

James Risen: Obama Is 'Greatest Enemy To Press Freedom In A .

An Assault from Obama's Escalating War on Journalism

Obama administration to reveal legal justification for killing Americans

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush

NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..

Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk collection

NSA can store a billion cell phone calls.

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret 2010)

PBS Frontline Exposes (Softly) Bush's and Obama's Authorization and Coverup of NSA Spying

Stopping police militarization = confronting corporate politicians (increased under Obama)

Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -

Rachel Maddow on David Miranda and the White House

Obama Pentagon Employs Bush-Era Propagandists to Screen Embedding Journalists

Obama the Conservative: Little Hope for Change

Obama: After 911, we tortured some folks.

Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe

"My Head Exploded When Obama Sanctimoniously Said, 'We Tortured Some Folks'"

Obama Administration: Further Legitimizing Targeted Assassinations by Drones

Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent

President Obama’s Dragnet (New York Times Editorial)

Obama Justice Dept. declines to pursue allegations that CIA spied on Senate Intelligence Committee

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration DOJ fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans

DEA and DOJ Struck Deal with Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens

DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers and federal unions

DOJ Mysteriously Quits Monsanto Antitrust Investigation

Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize lying in response to Freedom of Information requests.

NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches for minor traffic stops.

Holder overlooks DEA abuse of spying information, construction of false evidence trails against Americans

DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars

Obama/Holder War on Journalism coming to a head (Risen)

Obama/Holder more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in history

Feds seek hard prison time for rural Washington pot growers

Obama DOJ spying on AP reporters, editors re: leaks; other news organizations

Obama/Holder DOJ drags out Tesoro investigation (Refinery Explosion) for 4 years; no criminal charges vs. Big Energy

Obama DOJ drags feet at accountability on Deepwater Horizon

Obama DOJ Allows Bank of America to Deduct $12 Billion of $17 Billion Settlement

Exporting Corruption (Asset Forfeiture), DOJ Looks for Lucrative Overseas Partnerships

Obama/Holder Leak Investigations Outrageous and Unprecedented

The DoJ under Obama/Holder refused to prosecute anyone for torture...but Holder had no problem prosecuting a CIA agent who leaked the name of a torturer

Too Big to Jail: Letting criminal banks and bankers off the hook

Obama Justice Department Sues Telecom for Challenging National Security Letter

Obama DOJ Argues ‘No Constitutional Right Not to Become an Informant’

Operation Choke Point- The DOJ using banks to shut down industries they don't like

Obama/Holder DOJ Looks To Overturn Ruling That Would Apply Fair Sentencing Act Retroactively

How Eric Holder Facilitated the Most Unjust Presidential Pardon in American History

Holder and Obama Dishonesty On Mandatory Minimums, the Drug War and Mass Incarceration

US & NSA Accused of (Holder defends) Criminal Privacy Violations in Dozens of Nations

Obama DOJ defends NSA's Associational Tracking Program; No justification even in Patriot Act

US declares socialists Freedom Road a terrorist organization

ACLU sues as DOJ ignores surveillance transparency law

Obama Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined.

The only official punished by Obama DOJ for the illegal NSA program was the one who discussed it. The same is now true of torture.

DOJ Drone Memo revealed: Government can overrule 4th amendment

Heavy Redactions in DOJ Memo leave doubts on Data Surveillance Program

Justice Department And NSA Memos Proposing Broader Powers For NSA To Collect Data

DOJ's outrageously aggressive prosecution of internet activist, Aaron Swartz

Under Obama DOJ, Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison

Obama/Holder DOJ sided with Rove in politically motivated prosecution of fr. AL governor, Don Siegelman,
Then, the person who handled the paperwork, got onto the Supreme Court.

Posted by woo me with science | Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:25 PM (2 replies)

The most brazenly Orwellian name yet for a Corporate

siphoning of wealth upward.
Posted by woo me with science | Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:46 PM (0 replies)
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