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Never confuse non-violent attempts to prevent people from consciously, or unconsciously,

causing violence, death, and destruction, with hatred.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026919915

"We Didn't Know" is always the same lie, the same lame excuse, that is used after the body counts are done.









Meh. The same group defends the Iraq War, because Clinton promoted giving Bush

free license to wage war and commit genocide with impunity.

Clinton trusted George W. Bush, and passionately and publicly encouraged other Senators and members of Congress to grant Bush his wish to have complete use of the US Armed Forces to attack, conquer, and occupy Iraq.

This, despite frantic widespread attempts by millions of sensible people telling her don't trust Bush, don't vote to give this neocon warmonger the ability to wage war like a vindictive toddler with ADHD, in the peak throes of the terrible twos. Criminy, a blind hamster could see through that deadly maniac.

So, why should we take any group that defends Bush's holocaust of Iraq in support of a Presidential candidate who can be duped by a total loser like George W. Bush seriously? We have more productive, very serious endeavors to engage in, rather than wasting our precious time dignifying contrived illusion by paying attention to it.

All we need to do is consider the statements below, and move on, and do our best to ensure that a candidate like Hillary Clinton, who can be so easily fooled by George W. Bush, is never given the chance to exercise her tragic, disastrous inability to make wise judgments as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States ~

"If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition...I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible....

....This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction....

.....So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

Thank you, Mr. President."
- The actual words of Hillary Clinton.

A vote that puts that awesome responsibility in the hands of George W. Bush. Just so very wrong. Tragically wrong. Disastrously wrong.


When you give a 19 minute floor speech about going to war, it can not be called a mistake.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=433771

Here are the videos of Clinton's call to support Bush, and give him free rein to begin the Bush neocon war.

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Text of Clinton's plea to support Bush and his war.

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (October 10, 2002)

October 10, 2002

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

As Delivered

Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right.

Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam's revenge.

As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.

In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?

Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.

This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980's when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom.

However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.

If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

Others argue that we should work through the United Nations and should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it. This too has great appeal for different reasons. The UN deserves our support. Whenever possible we should work through it and strengthen it, for it enables the world to share the risks and burdens of global security and when it acts, it confers a legitimacy that increases the likelihood of long-term success. The UN can help lead the world into a new era of global cooperation and the United States should support that goal.

But there are problems with this approach as well. The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act. In Kosovo, the Russians did not approve NATO military action because of political, ethnic, and religious ties to the Serbs. The United States therefore could not obtain a Security Council resolution in favor of the action necessary to stop the dislocation and ethnic cleansing of more than a million Kosovar Albanians. However, most of the world was with us because there was a genuine emergency with thousands dead and a million driven from their homes. As soon as the American-led conflict was over, Russia joined the peacekeeping effort that is still underway.

In the case of Iraq, recent comments indicate that one or two Security Council members might never approve force against Saddam Hussein until he has actually used chemical, biological, or God forbid, nuclear weapons.

So, Mr. President, the question is how do we do our best to both defuse the real threat that Saddam Hussein poses to his people, to the region, including Israel, to the United States, to the world, and at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations?

While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam's compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And, we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want.

I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons. Today he has maximum incentive not to use them or give them away. If he did either, the world would demand his immediate removal. Once the battle is joined, however, with the outcome certain, he will have maximum incentive to use weapons of mass destruction and to give what he can't use to terrorists who can torment us with them long after he is gone. We cannot be paralyzed by this possibility, but we would be foolish to ignore it. And according to recent reports, the CIA agrees with this analysis. A world united in sharing the risk at least would make this occurrence less likely and more bearable and would be far more likely to share with us the considerable burden of rebuilding a secure and peaceful post-Saddam Iraq.

President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them.

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.

Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be avoided, but our responsibility to global security and to the integrity of United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot. I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.

And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

Thank you, Mr. President.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2667891

Yes, Thank you, Mr. President, and thank you Senator Clinton, for the horror of holocaust you brought upon the sovereign peoples of Iraq, the shame you brought upon the United States, and the eternal wars you have brought into being as a consequence of your actions.

They are no worse than ruthless capitalist exploiters who destroy the land and all life

that lives on the land that they destroy without remorse.

They are all ignorant. In general, it is not a priority for the primary extant culture in the US to teach children about the sanctity of all life, or to respect all life.

Indeed, the current primary society occupying the land known as the United States was founded on unfettered, wanton, conscienceless destruction and contamination of the entire planet. A primary imperialist capitalist ideal, commonly known in US Judeo-Christian culture as "progress", is the idea that killing and destroying anything and everything that exists in the natural world for profit is noble, good, commendable, and for the greater good of all humankind.

So when just one more asshole kills a lion for pleasure, he's simply reflecting ancient values of modern Judeo-Christian cultures.

I believe this institutionalized cultural belief may stem in great part from an ancient, long standing grifter-capitalist imperialist interpretation of this biblical verse:

Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Some Democrats are supporting a candidate who exercises this type of poor judgment,

who makes deadly serious mistakes that result in costly, unjustifiable destructive wars, and the tragic, unnecessary deaths and cripplings and maimings of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

The crushing heartbreak and sorrow of innocent loving mothers and fathers who lost their children to the consequences of this "mistake". The crushing heartbreak and sorrow of innocent orphaned children, whose mothers and fathers were brutally slaughtered as a consequence of "mistakes".

They're dead, and their families and friends who still survive, some of them physically maimed for life, will live for the rest of their lives with the horror, pain, and heartbreak that is the result of this "mistake" every single day for the rest of their lives.

A candidate who believed in George W. Bush and Bush's call to war for Wall St. profits and profiteers in a defense industry billions of dollars profit bonanza of blood, torture, and wanton destruction.

A candidate who believed in George W. Bush, and Bush's call to war, despite the constant, visible, vocal, desperate pleas and warnings of millions of liberal progressives, most notably the opposition of the Democratic Progressive Left in the US Congress.

The deaths of hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people under these circumstances is not a mere "mistake".

It's a holocaust. (Definition of holocaust: destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war).

And some Democrats actually want to put someone who exercised such poor judgment, who made such a tragic mistake, in the White House. Some Democrats actually want to elect someone with such poor judgment, someone who made the tragic mistake of believing in George W. Bush. Someone who believed George W. Bush's reasons for going to war and voted to give Bush unfettered license to begin his legacy, his murderous war on the innocent people of Iraq.

And as a result of this "mistake", we now have eternal wars for profit, and radical groups such as ISIS, raging out of control in the Middle East.

Some Democrats actually want to elect this person who made such a tragic mistake to the position of Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. It's unfathomable.

I want no part in any future "mistakes", except, hopefully, in preventing them by electing a candidate who voted "nay", a candidate who was not party to the "mistake" of giving Bush a license to kill with impunity.

A "mistake"?

Really?


That's deceitful, Sid. I did not call the actions of BLM protestors that.

My comment was directed at an Original Post article.

I later explained how, if a group repeatedly over time insinuates that progressive Democrats are racist, and don't care about race issues, but does not clearly explain why they believe progressive Democrats are racist, and don't care about race issues, then they are not doing anything to help their cause, are helping to fragment the Democratic party.

I can't help it if people misunderstand and misconstrue what I say, deliberately or not deliberately. Below is exactly what I explained about the term I used. I did not receive any constructive input in response to my request for a clear explanation of what progressives need to do to help the AA community.

In this case, it is yelling at people who are not black, but who sincerely want to do everything

they can to help, but don't know what to do. Calling these people racists because you feel they are not helping you, but when they ask "What do you want me to do", they get no answer.

Getting threatened by "we're not going to vote for your candidate if you don't listen to me", and then listening, and listening, and listening, but not hearing anything specific about what how we can help.

Tell us to wrap ourselves in a flag on the courthouse steps and burn ourselves. Go out in the street and protest ask us to join you. Ask us to donate to the charity of your choice, just clearly let us know what you want us to do.

We're not elected officials. we don't have their power to elicit change. We try to nominate the candidates we feel will do the most to help, but they almost never get nominated. Instead vanilla corporate candidates get elected and do nothing to help. This is not the fault of Progressive Democrats, it is the fault of the people who elect the candidates who don't try to fix the problems.

When people say, "hey, what you are doing doesn't seem to be working for you, maybe try something different, try voting for the people who appear to be the ones who are most likely to help you, they get told "don't tell me how to vote".

It's like being a mouse in a maze, a catch 22, an unsolvable puzzle. And it makes me want to give up. I want to help, but obviously don't know how. I ask how can I help, but get no clear answer.

I understand African Americans are angry, You have every fucking reason to be. Non AA progressives are angry too, but people not directly by a problem can only understand and feel it to a fraction of what the oppressed people feel.

But we don't understand why African Americans are blaming us, yelling at us, threatening us, for being responsible for these conditions. Our candidates almost get nominated, so we vote for the same people you do, in the hope that at least some progress will be made.

We don't understand why you are not yelling at the republicans who are killing you and making your lives hard. We don't understand why you are not yelling at the corporatist Democrats who are not helping you. Instead, it seems you are misdirecting your anger at us.

This is causing me to want to just give up, I want to help, and try to help, and get yelled at and threatened for doing so. This makes me resigned to a fractured voting block, and a republican government. Which would be horrible for all of us.

So, please, please, if you wouldn't mind, tell me, right here and now, simply, and clearly, in plain simple language, exactly and specifically what you want non- African Americans to do to help the black community.

I work with people who can't help themselves, and who cannot speak. I do the best I can to to determine from their methods of communication what they need me to to do help them.

So please to tell me. Plain and simple.

I'm listening. But I'm really stupid. So I need you to please make it it clear, simple. and specific.

Thank you.

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Again, I cannot help it if people misconstrue, or misunderstand, deliberately or not deliberately, the meaning of what I say. Third Way type posters deliberately misconstruing facts and posts by progressive DUers is a fact of life on DU, and most everyone here knows it.

Your statement about me calling the actions of BLM protestors that is something I did not say, and this is just another clear example of certain posters deliberately misconstruing what DU progressives post.

Personal attacks, smear jobs, strawmen, never answering questions directly, those are tactics repeatedly employed by Third Way type posters here, who, not coincidentally, are also all Hillary Clinton supporters.

So there you have it, Sid.

Carry on.


I have discovered that the DU attacks on Bernie began on the same day that

the RW extremist attacks on Bernie began.

May 27th is the date that a post by a DUer, entitled "Not Good Enough, Bernie" began the attacks on DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

May 27th is the date that two RW extremist journalists, Byron Yorke and Charles C. Cooke, began the RW echo chamber attacks on Bernie.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=465196

Cherokeeprogressive had this post hidden almost immediately when s/he tried to expose the date of the first attack on Bernie at DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251471386

Draw your own conclusions, I'd probably get tombstoned if I posted mine.

This entire process was a well conceived, orchestrated maneuver by the Third Way. Third Way trolls

and their clueless followers have been lying their propagandizing asses on DU and other Democratic websites for months, doing whatever nasty shit was necessary to paint Bernie as a passive racist unconcerned about justice and equality for the African American Community.

All this time I'm thinking, what's the game here? This is some really filthy shit, they're up to no good with this, spreading lies and smearing a Democratic public servant, simply because they are desperate to get their 1% Third Way candidate elected.

Then Clinton skips the NN gig (do ya think maybe she might have been tipped off?), and the Democrats who attend are discussing immigration issues when #blm does their act. #blm is not there for discussion, they are their to co-opt the event, swiftboat Clinton's competition, and the thing that makes it all perfect is that any criticism of the protest will be construed as not listening to what #blm is trying to get across.

Then a truly ugly racist website, #bernieissoblack, gets posted at DU, more bullshit lies appear from the Third Way trolls, and the media has a field day dumping on Democrats.

Of course, immediately after this, Clinton performs the next step in the script, by going on facebook or whatever, (where she is immune to any criticism or interruption, of course), and engages #blm or whoever like she is miss innocent little Mother Bo Peep, so very concerned, pretending like she wouldn't sell the black community down the river in a hummingbird's heartbeat if the global banking community required her to do so in payment for dumping millions into her campaign to serve them in the White House.

I have to admit, the talent the Third Way employs to ensure that super wealthy white people maintain control of the US government and the people of the US, came up with a pretty clever, failsafe little maneuver here.

However, this whole thing has backfired for them to a great extent. It is not that I am unsympathetic to the purported goals of #blm, or am not acutely aware of the desperate state of the African American community, who have been victimized and slaughtered by imperialist white cops in this land and others for centuries. I've been beaten with batons, unjustly jailed twice. I've had cops handcuff me facedown behind my back, one cop beating me on the back with a baton while the other joyfully ground my face into the dirt. This was right after they shot at me, while I was unarmed, while running away from them. They did not know who I was. I heard the bullet whiz by my ear before I heard the gunshot. And this is not nearly all of it.

Despite the actions of the Third Way, and any agents or agency they employ, to knowingly or unknowingly do their nasty business for them in an effort to maintain and increase the control the wealthy white 1% and their botcops have over our government and our lives, I will continue to struggle to control and regulate the power of the 1% and their cops to abuse with impunity me, the black community, all other oppressed minorities, even straight white men.

From my point of view, one of the best ways for me to help achieve this goal is to elect Senator Sanders to the Presidency of the United States. His past actions and integrity prove to me that he understands my struggles and will work assiduously to address my grievances. Anybody can speak words. Words are for lies in politics.

I have always held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils since 1992. It was a matter of conscience. I knew that any Democrat would be better than a republican, so I went to the polls to do my part to keep the fascists out of the WH.

But for the first time, there has come a point where the possible lesser of two evils has been a part of something so heinous that I cannot, in good conscience, ever vote for this person.

I could never, in good conscience, vote for anyone who would debase him or herself, for personal gain, by being part of a horrible smear/swiftboat campaign used to attempt to besmirch the reputation, and slander the integrity, of a person totally innocent of the insinuations leveled against them. I don't care if it's a homeless person, or the queen of the world, who they attempt to maliciously slander, I could never associate myself with, let alone vote to elect to the most powerful leadership position in the world, anyone who would knowingly be a part of these types of dirty deeds, either actively or passively. And I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one driven to this course of action by these unfortunate recent events.

To be clear, it is not my intention here to speak for Senator Sanders, or presume to "protect" him. A longtime democratic socialist Senator in the swamp of the conservative US Senate needs no protection from anyone or anything. I'm simply explaining why, if Hillary Clinton is nominated by the Democratic Party to be the Democratic party presidential nominee, this lifetime yellowdog Democrat won't be voting for the Democratic candidate for president for the first time in the almost five decades in which I have been eligible to vote.

Hanging out with war criminal Henry Kissinger ~


Barack Obama is President of the United States. Bernie Sanders is not.

The "Hecklers" would be far more likely to get their concerns addressed by petitioning a sitting President to take notice of their plight on order to find redress for their concerns, rather than by heckilng Presidential candidates who have a history of working to address these grievances throughout their political tenure.

However, it may be that the "Hecklers" have already employed approaching the President, but to no avail, for it is apparent that the President has failed to adequately address the concerns of the "Hecklers", and has failed to take action necessary for satisfactory redress of the concerns of the "Hecklers."

Otherwise, the "Hecklers" would not be heckling candidates running for the Democratic Presidential nomination, in a desperate attempt to get their voices heard by an apathetic government.

In fact, the very real, very serious problems, that are of such grave concern to the "Hecklers", have been an ongoing shame and mockery of justice in America for centuries, yet appear to have continued, unabated, during President Obama's tenure.

All you need to do is examine Senator Sander's history and political record to know that it is an absolute certainty, that if Bernie Sanders is elected President of the United States, President Sanders will do everything within the scope of his power and authority to resolve the problems of the "Hecklers" to their greatest satisfaction.

Black lives matter. And this is one more critical reason why we should all vote for Bernie Sanders.

Sanders in Selma Says Civil Rights Struggle Continues
Saturday, March 7, 2015

SELMA, Ala., March 7 – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today joined U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) and other civil rights pioneers on the 50th anniversary of an historic civil rights march that led to enactment of the Voting Rights Act.

“In 1965, against racist legalized violence, incredibly brave men and women put their lives on the line to demand that all Americans, regardless of their color, have the right to vote. And they won. When people stand together for justice, nothing is impossible,” Sanders said.
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“What Bloody Sunday was about was showing the entire country and the entire world how far some of the racist officials in Alabama would go to prevent African-Americans from participating the political process and from voting,” Sanders said. “What happened on that bridge that day was a huge step forward for democracy in America. But what is happening right now – not just in the South but all over this country – are efforts by Republican governors and Republican legislatures to make it harder for African-Americans, for low-income people and for senior citizens to vote.”

The election of Obama, the first African-American president, is a sign of the nation’s progress in the past half century, Sanders said. “But we also know that much more needs to be done. Today, African American unemployment is double the national average while African American household income is $17,000 less. The struggle for racial and economic justice continues,” Sanders said.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-in-selma-says-civil-rights-struggle-continues

This thread has many posts that echo the conservative hippie haters who

despised us for exposing their nasty little Vietnam war when we hit the streets in protest in the 60's.

We were correct then, we are correct now, and we'll be correct tomorrow.

But sadly, no matter what we say, or do, we can't fix stupid...

Justice Scalia suggests asking a hippie about gay marriage. Here’s how to find one near you

The "hippie mantra", "live simply, so that others may live" is an incomprehensible concept to brainwashed Reagan baby consumerbots, who were fed a steady diet of "all things conservative are good, all things liberal are bad", and who Rush Limbaugh taught to hate hippies, while they were growing up.

I remember how we watched in horror, as waves of conservative propaganda filled all the airwaves, day after day, year after year, and brainwashed the populace, beginning after the Reagan coronation, and paid for by a 1% that was determined that no social, economic, political, and philosophical movement like the hippie/civil rights movements would ever again threaten their wealth, power and control.

Their efforts, judging by this thread, were enormously successful beyond their wildest dreams.

So, to all the hippies, and other free thinking liberals, past, present, and future, never give up, because "they" never have, and never will, until they either destroy everything, or we stop them from destroying it once and for all.

"Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth...there are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke. But you and I, we been through that, and this is not our fate.

So let us not talk falsely now, the hours getting late...





Bernie Sanders moves to larger venue for Phoenix speech
Associated Press 12:31 p.m. MST July 16, 2015

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/07/16/bernie-sanders-phoenix-speech-larger-venue/30237471/





Unfortunately, there are no safeguards that limit the power

of the wealthy to control our government through the use of their great wealth. They consistently utilize their wealth to neutralize most democratic processes in the US. Because the wealthy have taken away our ability to democratically determine our own destinies, and have maliciously instituted a de facto oligarchy in our nation, we have an obligation to relieve them of the weapon they use for controlling us - this weapon being their wealth.

Wealth needs to be regulated and limited until our country legally eliminates the power of wealthy private interests to control our government.

Unfortunately, because of the very nature of the greed that causes the very wealthy to act to control our government in their own interests, they will never stop manipulating our government with their wealth. Therefore, in order to establish the goals of a more just and equal democracy mandated by the Constitution, we are simply going to have to tax the power out of the wealthy in order to keep them from circumventing democracy and destroying our planet.

The greedy rich kids have not played nice with their toys, and now reponsible moms and dads all over America are going to have to break out the tough love to keep the greedy rich children from hurting everyone else, and destroying our planet, with their playthings.

And, ya know, like, taxing them out of power is just soooo much more preferable, and so much less messy, than the eventual inevitable revolutions and guillotines that will be employed by billions upon billions of hopeless, angry, impoverished folk, if the greedy rich are allowed to continue to own our governments and our planet, while hoarding, controlling, and wasting the critical natural resources that we all need to share wisely in order to provide a pleasant future for all of our children and beyond.




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