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I apologize to you, Bryant.

It appears that I have underestimated your grasp of Judeo-Christian theology and metaphysics.

It appears that the church has modernized the concept of hell, or at least finally grasped the intended scriptural communication of what hell is, and changed the accepted concept of hell from that heinous superstition based place that they threatened me daily with as a toddler/child. The church is slow to change, but as new information becomes available, it does have the wherewithal to eventually adapt.

Unfortunately, largely due to 20+ centuries of pushing the concept of Dante's Inferno as hell, the church has successfully cemented and institutionalized this concept of hell into the collective consciousness of the "western world".

That's really awesome. I was forced to go a Catholic School, 5 days a week, and Mass, 6 days a week, beginning when I was 4 years old. During my 8 years there, I never once heard a nun or a priest describe hell as "our unwillingness to be saved". I did, however, hear almost daily, often while being smacked with a stick, that if I did not believe in the church, if I did not believe what the church told me, and did not do what the church told me to do, and did not remain in the good graces of the church, that I would go to this place forever:

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).

Frankly, I can't fathom that an omniscient, omnipotent divine entity would really give two shits about most of the do's and don'ts, such as eating shellfish, folks' sexual preferences, or that S/he/Whatever would consider an individual's purposely not going to Catholic mass on Sunday "unwillingness to be saved". Rather, it would be, to my mind, logical and reasonable for an omniscient, omnipotent divine entity to intrinsically simply "know" what is in the heart of any and every individual.

I can kind of buy "unwillingness to be saved" as a type of hell, I have often thought that maybe people who deliberately and perpetually do rotten things to others create their own private nasty little hell for themselves within themselves.

Loosely, in the Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, and Sikh religions, karma is the force generated by a person's actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person's next existence. I kind of like this better than the church's concept of hell, because no one is eternally separated from the divine. Everyone keeps getting another shot at "heaven' until they "get it right". Which in reality does not appear to overtly contradict the Christian concept of hell as you seem to be expressing it.

I don't necessarily believe nor disbelieve in karma, but am simply pointing out a similarity between the concept of karma and "unwillingness to be saved" and redemption. Of course, by definition, an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent being would know from the beginning of human existence if an individual was ever going to really get it or not. If so, then what would be the point of forcing them to live this life, and only to suffer in eternal misery because they didn't ever "get it". (This is known in Christian theology as the "Doctrine of Predestination"). It's kind of a WTF for me, why would a Loving God let someone exist in eternal misery if they never even had a shot at "heaven" to begin with?

I am totally down with my evolving understanding of simple "Love" and "Light", in all manifestations, as my personal path; that is what works for me in my existence. I feel that maybe, in the "Overall Grand Scheme of Things", the essence of what we perceive as a good way for us to be as individuals, is the same.

Again, I sincerely apologize for underestimating you.

Wow! "38 men per day versus 33 women per day" 71 people every day!

"The U.S. has the world’s most powerful military machine. Its navy controls the seas, its air force the skies. Almost 70 years after the end of World War Two, its armies occupy bases from Germany and Italy to South Korea and Japan. Its CIA-operated drones attack Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Afghanistan. Its multiple intelligence agencies have black sites and black budgets and carry out black operations. The financial costs of maintaining an empire are enormous. The moral costs are incalculable. And some would suggest the external violence connects to the murderous rampages and shootings here in the homeland. The signs of structural decay are all too apparent. Nation building begins at home.

Can we imagine a culture of peace? Can we create a political and economic system that serve the needs of people and protects and honors the Earth?"
~ Former Congressman Dennis Kucinich




Unfortunately, skilled, smooth talking, charismatic corporate sponsored politicians

pretend to be progressive and get nominated by deceiving too many gullible people into believing they are progressive by repeatedly lying to us while they are campaigning.

After they get elected, they only primarily represent the wealthy private interests that sponsor them.

This is how the Third Way/DLC operates. They are skilled corporate marketers who make a living preying on the hopes, dreams, and needs of naive and uninformed citizens.

People crave progressive policies due to their reason and necessity.

People get RW Third Way representation because of their naivete.

Marketing. It's what wealthy private interests do to increase their profit, power, and control. They excel at deception.

You can make a lot of coin selling snake oil in this world ~ all you need is a smooth, forked tongue, a pretty face, and a shiny bottle of dreams to sell.

I understand, and believe that most of us are conflicted about these types of things to some degree.

I am for sure.

We are all victims of a rapidly decaying system that needs to be replaced, but at the same time is, by its nature, resistant to significant, positive, constructive change. Violent, deluded reactionary extremists arise out of the inequities and injustice of the system, and commit acts of frustrated mindless violence that only bolster the power of the system's gatekeepers to curtail our civil liberties.

I'd love to change the world, but the status quo prevents like minded people from assembling and implementing constructive changes.

Maybe someday, enough of us will get together in solidarity, and we can bring about the changes necessary that will make acts of mindless violent terrorism and the consequent reactionary losses of civil liberties a thing of the past.

I would not have a problem with the pse if it had not come about

in conjunction with numerous other reductions of our legal rights within a a relatively short time frame.

From the passage of the Patriot Act (that place where the sun never sets) until now, there have been so many both big and little reductions in our legal rights that I fear that the sum of all these new laws may be designed for and used in the future by RW authoritarians intent on establishing a strict plutarchal and/or theocratic dictatorship.

But the eternal, infallible truth ~ it is what it is ~ is our current lot here in this tragically broken system where the sun no longer sets.

So if some deluded arrogant loser deliberately blows up a bunch of innocent people, and hasn't even taken the time to become familiar with her/his rights before going out and ecstatically killing 9 yr. olds with the bombs that he made, and goes bye-bye,...well...ya know...that'll be one more deadly dumbass wacked out conservative steaming POS who won't ever get another shot at blowing the legs off of my beautiful little granbaby angels.

My aim is, to the best of my ability, to help make this fucked up world a whole lot better for my grandkids before I die. I failed my kids; but they know I really tried. And the deluded pieces of shit who deliberately hurt masses of innocent people are the reasons for the excuses that lead to the limitations of our rights and my granbabies rights, and they obstruct me from changing the world for the better, so...well...ya know what?...

Fuck all of them, whatever they are, wherever they are, and wherever they come from, and fuck the bloodthirsty invisible vampire creature they created and worship, that thing that instructs them to hate and kill, and that they keep alive only their heads, in their heinous actions, and in the hate that is eating their
hearts.

I have some really great news for all of them.

That thing definitely ain't God.

Please, allow me to be the first to say

Ас нохчийн мотт ца буьйцу

Now maybe you tell me where I find moose and squirrel.

They may have been speaking South Bostonese, which is not readily decipherable

to anyone but certain native peoples indigenous to South Boston.

The use of a rare form of sign language is also commonly practiced among certain groups present among the native peoples indigenous to South Boston.

A good friend of mine is a native of South Boston, and he frequently slips between the English and South Bostonese languages. For some unknown reason, this most often occurs when we are trading beers and shots of tequila in the local cantina.

Sometimes, when no matter how hard I try, I cannot understand what he is saying, I ask his wife, also a dear friend, who understands South Bostonese fairly well, what he is trying to say. Her normal reply to this question is "How the fuck should I know?". Whereupon my friend from South Boston raises his right hand with a South Boston sign language gesture, and the cantinero, a kindly and much loved Mexican man who speaks no English, but who understands a bit of South Bostonese sign language, smiles, and brings us another round.

To all the folks in Boston.

Cheehs!


If they never find who did this, the fear mongerers who have

already profiled Muslims/Arabs as the suspects or probable suspects have caused significant harm to the Islamic population in the US.

Ignorant conservatives will have one more manufactured illusion justifying their irrational fear of, and hatred for, Muslims/Arabs, and this will make it easier for the status quo to continue their policy of eternal war for profit in the Middle East.

Yes, I believe you may be missing something very important. I feel I can help you out here.

In the Christian Bible, Matthew 22::34-40, Jesus ben Joseph, commonly known as Jesus Christ, allegedly states what is commonly known among persons familiar with the subject as The Greatest Commandment:

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


Anonymous, understanding the true essence of genuine Christian doctrine, and recognizing the hypocrisy of the anti-LGBT/anti-human/race elitist doctrine of hatred espoused by the misanthropic, christianist Westboro Baptist Church, has hacked into the Westboro Baptist Church site and posted a cynical, ironic graphic there, in order to point out to the Westboro Baptist Church leaders and followers the blatant hypocrisy of their pretending to espouse the Doctrine of Love, while spreading only raw hatred and bigotry every moment of their existence.

The graphic contains these statements: The top statement, Jesus Loves Everybody, means that Jesus Christ as a living divine entity, loves everybody.

The bottom statement, You Should Have Expected Us, refers to an Anonymous credo:

We are Anonymous. We are Legion. Expect Us.

Anonymous is telling the Westboro Baptist Church that they are lying sack of shit whitewashed wall phony pseudo christian hypocritical bigots, and that they should have expected Anonymous to attack them for continuing to spread hatred and bigotry.

Also, by using the images of some of the diverse characters from the Star Trek: The Next Generation Cast, Anonymous was making a statement about diversity, how we humans can be different, yet still love each other despite these differences, and go forward to work together to create a better world for all of us, leaving the ways of hatred and bigotry behind us as we evolve our own future.

That's the best I can do for now. It was not really meant as a joke. It's actually instructional, and as serious as it gets.

I hope this explanation is clear to you, and helps you to understand the nature of the graphic, and gives you something pleasant to ponder.

Have a lovely day!!!

Best I can do is a beautiful view property southeast of Manhattan Beach.

Does that work for you?

Contact my attorneys at Goyers, Lunz, and Munny, LLC, in Manhattan, ask to speak with Danny Leo, and we'll see if we can swing a deal.

BTW, it may interest you to know that I am a self made woman ~ I started out with nothing, and made a fortune selling it. My only regret is that I did not go into politics.

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