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That is a *much* better option than "reservoirs" of CO2 ...

Performing the natural conversion to limestone using hot mafic rocks is
a safe way to "store" CO2 - probably the *only* safe way.

Pushing it down into what was previously a natural reservoir (before the
drilling bit unsealed it for the first time) and hoping that it will stay there
forever is ridiculously stupid - only good for extracting money from the
well-meaning who have little background in science (or history).

e.g., Lake Nyos, 1986, 1700+ people killed + livestock + wild creatures in
a 16 mile radius ... the solution is to bleed the CO2 directly into the atmosphere
rather than risk letting it build up again for another catastrophic event.

(And to think that some of the people supporting the above "coke-bottle"
approach are the very ones who scream blue murder about nuclear waste ...)

Not an option for me but, until this week, I hadn't even considered that the Leavers might win.

I too am starting to get concerned about the apparent "groundswell" of support
for national stupidity that could only too easily be reflected in the polling booth.

I work in an international company whose registered head office is in London
(although the CEO is now based in New York). I am surrounded by Europeans
(EU & Nordic) as well as a fair scattering from further afield (including Russia,
Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon, Caribbean Islanders, Antipodeans, Central Africans).
Our whole business works because we deal fairly with *all* countries so we could
be unbelievably badly hit if the "Leave" idiots actually win: the company would
survive but the London office (including the IT department where I work) would not
only lose people directly (due to the fascists clamping down on work visa rules)
but quite likely have to relocate out of the UK in order to maintain the business
relationships with a number of other countries. That's a serious job risk for someone
who isn't old enough to retire yet but is viewed as "well past it" when job hunting.

My children are still starting their own lives (finishing education, working first jobs).
They find the unwanted excess of job seekers from Eastern Europe, China & Africa
to be a real issue but not one that blinds them to the benefits of the EU - just something
that needs to be resolved by politicians who aren't themselves profiting from the
increased numbers of immigrants.

My siblings are getting old (brother + one brother-in-law both being cancer survivors
with a risk of recurrence). I am now the only one of us who is still working in
full-time employment (and as anything other than a carer). They rely on their
pensions supporting them for the rest of their lives.

My parents-in-law are in their eighties and have been the cause of several
emergency dashes & upheavals over the last few years (only going to get worse).
They rely on the NHS, on their pensions and yes, on their only UK-based child (and
her family) being able to drive to them whenever something goes wrong.

From my perspective, there is nothing wrong with the EU that a little political will
couldn't resolve (not that spines are ever in surplus with politicians) whilst the
amount of good that it provides is immeasurable.

I hadn't anticipated that there might be sufficient numbers of low-information
voters (and/or desperate gamblers out to make a profit at any cost) that the
vote could become close or that there could even be enough people who would
believe the inconsistent & disconnected bollocks being disseminated by the "Leave"
campaign.

The realisation that I may have over-estimated the intelligence of my fellow Britons
is as worrying as it is surprising. This could mean a stressful few weeks ahead until
the issue is resolved (one way or the other).

Like I said, leaving the UK simply isn't an option for me but I can't honestly fault
anyone else for investigating the possibility.

*Something* is "Truly lamentable"

> Who was here for T-rex's disappearance?

Lots of other creatures, some of whom survived.

> Who vainly fretted about the peterosaur's (sic) demise?

Other pterosaurs.

> Where were the caring when millions of other creatures came and went thru the eons???

Just because you weren't there doesn't mean that other creatures cared about each other.

"Caring" didn't start (and end) when Bronze Age peasants started to force their mythologies upon others.


> We humans are NO DIFFERENT than a mega-volcano or a giant asteroid impact - except,
> unlike those catastrophes, we recognize ourselves as such.

WRONG. There is no choice involved with a mega-volcano or giant asteroid, merely luck
or good fortune to be in a suitable place to survive.

The global destruction that we as a species have been performing over the centuries
is completely voluntary - a result of deliberate choices made (usually for personal greed).

That is a MAJOR FUCKING DIFFERENCE.


> But this rock has NEVER been about continuity. Never.

Continuity at geological scales has never been the issue for ecologists, only the
religious morons who insist that they can't be doing any real harm as their sky fairy
is looking after them.


> It coalesced out of bits of stellar detritus and morphed from an inhospitable blob
> to a lab for the spark of life to play upon.

... over billions of years ...

The damage that we have done has mostly been done over a couple of centuries.

That damage has been known and widely publicised for decades.

That damage has increased with every year due to greed.

Every week, more decisions are made to make the situation worse for short-term
profit, in the full knowledge of the destruction that is involved.

*That* is why we are different from a volcano or roaming stellar boulder.


> But who of we civilized sorts is ready to give up their flat screens and spend
> our afternoons skinning some hapless monkey for the evening meal?
> Who? Yeah - I thought so.

No official monkeys around here so the best we can manage is to skin
some of the fat selfish bastards who don't care about other creatures
and prefer to sit on their arse in front of their flat screen TVs.

As someone else noted (in a slightly different context), there is a serious cascade effect here too.

It's not as simple as country A (e.g., Syria) going then country B (e.g., Yemen) next
then country C ... as shitloads of the the people who were in country A have now
moved to countries S & T, overloading them so the combined migration spreads to
countries H, K & P which then ...

There is going to be a serious battening down of the hatches in the near (very near)
future which will have the effect of pouring fuel on the anger of the migrants, leading
to some serious unrest and the corresponding backlashes.

One big clusterfuck affecting ever-increasing amounts of the 99% while the scum
at the top continue to "justify" their obscene greed and dismissal of the problems.

"Interesting times".

What an honest and factual article. I'm pleasantly shocked by the integrity of the authors.

> The economic models that are used to inform climate policy currently contain
> an unhealthy dose of wishful thinking. Technologies that remove carbon dioxide
> from the air are assumed in the models that avoid dangerous climate change
> but such technologies do not yet exist and it is unclear whether they could be
> deployed at a meaningful scale.

> But it is hazardous to rely on science fiction in the development of the scenarios
> that are used to inform policymakers. To include scenarios for avoiding dangerous
> climate change that employ entirely speculative approaches seems reckless in the extreme.



The BAU crowd will be hitting the panic button in order to get this smothered
before it is repeated and heard by the populous ... and before people start to
ask "WHY IS THIS BEING IGNORED FOR THE SAKE OF GREED?" ...

To be fair ...

> Since (2000), however, the new study finds that the motion shifted sharply
> and now the North Pole is moving towards the U.K. and Europe.
> The motion has also sped up, though it still isn't very large.
> The movement towards Canada was at around 7 to 8 centimeters per year,
> Adhikari said, and the movement towards the U.K. is now about 16 to 18 centimeters
> per year.

Although the amounts are small (tens of centimetres per year), the fact that
the change was sudden rather than gradual and that, in addition, the rate has
increased 100% in this new direction is genuine cause for concern.

The rotation of the planet is is an energy balance on a scale that is almost
literally incredible - hard to comprehend or believe when you see the numbers
turned into everyday terms.

For this immense balancing act to change direction *and* magnitude so suddenly
(effectively instantaneous in geological terms) is every bit as worrying as the
degree to which, e.g., krill & low order fish are being driven to extinction by human
action. The difference is that the latter can be controlled by controlling human action
(although I'll admit that it's unlikely that any political body will even attempt - much
less succeed - at doing so) whereas the former has such inertia that it is really
mind-blowingly beyond the scope of human remediation.

It's not just that the goal-posts change, it's the entire playing field that is moving.

"Yes we can" != "Yes we will"

There will be progress - hopefully lots of it - in both conservation/efficiency and
replacement of fossil fuel with renewable (electric) energy but it will take a couple
of major catastrophic events followed by brutal & unwelcome changes before
enough people actually get the message of how *necessary* and *urgent* this
transition really is.

Even then, there will always be the rich ("I will do it wastefully because I can")
and the ignorant ("Don't wanna 'cos Freedumb!") around to prevent 100% ever
being reached.


Unfortunately, you are right.

Unlike the Med, the Channel is pretty easy to cross and that will be what
happens (it already does to a certain extent but that is kept pretty quiet).

Of course, when that happens there will be a serious backlash against anyone
attempting to get in - no "wet foot dry foot" law for the UK - and that could
easily spread to friction/antagonism to "suspected illegal immigrants" who are
already in the country ... not a good thing at all as it will lead to a seriously
polarised community - anyone not speaking English (especially if non-white)
will become a target.

I don't want to live in a Fortress Britain run by fascists ("V for Vendetta",
"Children of Men" and such like) any more than I want the current situation
to get any worse by opening the doors any wider.

The only thing that is keeping the migrant camps in France is the money that
the UK is paying France and that is only acceptable because we are in the EU.


"... and the people who have no place to go"? Bullshit.

There is a purpose-built camp next to the main site and the option to
go to other accomodation centres elsewhere in France.

The main site is not being dismantled, only the ad-hoc "extension" to it:
> The French government initially announced its plan to dismantle the southern
> part of the camp — closer to the highway — in early February.
> Migrants in that section would attempt to jump on trucks crossing through
> the Chunnel, despite barbed wire set up to protect the road.

Note how even the "activists" in that area (who conveniently write in
English so that tossers like USAToday can understand) admit the problem:

Population: 3455
Elderly: 13
Women:169
Children:445
Men: 2841
Families: 145

(Edited as can't get the image to show but it's the fourth in the page
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/01/french-riot-police-teargas-jungle-calais-camp-evictions)


If it were 145 families, that would be one thing - protect them & help them.
145 families plus any unaccompanied women? Sure - the women are in most danger.

145 families plus ~2700 single men? Fuck off.


Between the dipshit Brit who said
> "We should open borders and let everybody in the United Kingdom"

and the Afghan who said
> "I will just keep trying to reach England”

... it's hard to keep sympathy for the minority who are real refugees in the
face of the violence, abuse & general behaviour of the majority who are not.

Strikingly similar to the effect of Climate Change on humans ...

As a species, we are transfixed by the spectacle, by the weirdness and the
"WTF? Haven't seen that before?" nature of events and get so engrossed in
merely watching that we don't pay attention to the danger.

In that video, one rabbit was smart and went to ground on seeing the stoat.
The other was doing the equivalent of sitting on the couch, eating popcorn
and watching the entertainment right up to that "Oh F*ck" moment.

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