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So much projection here!

Sanders' supporters were a movement before the campaign and though they love him they don't rely on him for identification. Some will shrug, some will work for or against Clinton, but all will continue to fight for economic and social justice in 2017 and beyond. This kind of cult behavior you are attributing is actually the Clinton Camp, which exists only for Clinton, cannot give a genuine political reason why, and has no coherence otherwise.

cute

But as you surely know yourself, all this shows is some of the chaos and confusion generated by the 50+ separate contests in basically arbitrary sequence, each under over-complicated rules and laws, and with a biased DNC at the top, all of which obviously favors insiders and those with access to funding. That Sanders was able to break through thanks to his campaign's ability to tap into social media and millions of small donations from committed social-change activists is impressive.

Of course the FBI would pursue an investigation without merit.

That's practically their middle name. They are a political police who have a history of fabricating fake "terrorism" cases and for a long time acted as the red squad disrupting left and black groups - right up to assassination, in the case of Fred Hampton.

Nevertheless, this case is not what you would expect them to pursue on political grounds unless Comey or someone is pushing it as a GOP loyalist. But let's be clear, they have rarely been the good guys.

This may eventually happen but it will take a century.

A dozen years? Seriously? We're 45 years into the Nixon chapter of the war on drugs and it's still not over. Take a look around at how people are about driving their precious vehicles, the love they invest in them. IN this case, actual democracy will work. Mega-millions of voters will be passionate about it, it will be their most important issue like guns are for the gun people. Insurance companies will be regulated by legislation so that they do not do what you are describing. After that there may be a gradual movement away from driver fetishism. It will take many decades if ever before we reach what you are imagining. (And I hope by then a different sort of logic prevails: return the streets to the humans! Why driverless cars? Have streetcars and subways, retool cities to be carfree!)

I agree but it shouldn't even be conceivable.

Why is Hillary Clinton not willing to guarantee and expand a robust Social Security? Why does she say that the single-payer system that is affordable and more effective in so many other countries not possible in the U.S.? Why has she always been a supporter of trillions for regime change wars? Why did she do what she did to Libya and Honduras? Why would she have prevented the Obama Iran deal, if it had been up to her? Why does she honor Henry Kissinger?! All this gives Trump his small chance of moving left, which should have never been.

Actually Trump is moving "left" in order to pick up the country's majority.

People support robust Social Security, single-payer health care, and no more trillions for regime-change wars. That's the American majority - not exactly leftist but NEW DEAL for sure. You know, like Democrats are supposed to be.

And that was true before Bernie tapped into that feeling and coalesced a more powerful movement for change, which will continue no matter what happens this year.

Of course when the Bald Mussolini of Professional Wrestling tries to horn in on it, his words are worth nothing. But for some reason he thinks it's a good strategy against Clinton. Why, I wonder? Doesn't HRC support robust Social Security, single payer health care, and no more trillions for regime change wars?

Oh! Right, she doesn't.

Meanwhile Trump has reiterated in no uncertain terms his real program, insofar as he has one: The Wall and No Entry for Muslims. That's still good for a third of the vote, in this crazy country.

He's just looking for the right lies to peel off another 15-20%.

The game doesn't end. It continues in 2017 and far beyond.

Do you think this is a contest for some minor Internet blip known as DU? (I think of it as DemocraticUNDERGROUND, by the way.) No. That's nothing. Let's have a sense of perspective here.

The thing that wanted to turn Obama 2008 into a peace and justice movement of 2009 but was denied, the thing that was the Occupy Wall Street moment when the "99% vs. the 1%" became salient, the thing that is Fight for $15 and Black Lives Matter and the immigration reform movement and the enormous environmental marches and actions since 2014, the thing that brought forth the Sanders campaign and will soon enough rediscover anti-war, it's not going away and it's growing.

The left is back and America is going left. That's the history that's being written. Sanders may indeed "lose" this campaign, but I hope he's not going away either. There's plenty of money for him to raise for the cause, beyond this matter of the quadrennial clown show of presidential electoral politics that never finds a bottom.

Remember among whom Sanders gets the huge majorities? They're under 45, they're under 30. Quite a few of us are a bit older, of course!

The people, enough of us, will be united for social and economic justice, for money out of politics, for ending corporate rule, for achieving democracy and peace. Deal with it. Join it. This is the future.

The game doesn't end. It continues in 2017.

Do you think this is a contest for some minor Internet blip known as DU? I think of it as DemocraticUNDERGROUND, by the way. No. That's nothing.

The thing that was Occupy, the thing that is Fight for $15 and Black Lives Matter and the immigration reform movement and the enormous climate change marches since 2014, the thing that brought forth the Sanders campaign and will soon enough rediscover anti-war, it's not going away and it's growing. The left is back and America is going left. Sanders may indeed "lose" this campaign, but I hope he's not going away either. There's plenty of money for him to raise for the cause, beyond this matter of the quadrennial clown show of presidential electoral politics. Remember among whom Sanders gets the huge majorities? They're under 45, they're under 30.

The people, enough of them, united for social and economic justice, money out of politics, ending corporate rule, achieving democracy and peace. Deal with it. This is the future.

No, the protest outside was mainly of Latinos...

angered by the Secretary's murderous actions in Latin America, including the backing of the coup d'etat in Honduras and the resulting deaths of hundreds, including the assassination of Berta Caceres. Clinton has blood on her hands and they are righteously angered. You are participating in the false construction of a narrative where "Bernie supporters" "harrass" the people going in to see Clinton, and it is a big lie.

And you CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. You want to show enthusiastic attendance for Clinton, then I can contrast it to the 10x the enthusiasm crowd that Sanders attracts. These are the motivated people, the movements by comparison. You can't claim one thing is good (enthusiastic crowds) and then change the standard of measurement as soon as I point out Sanders' are 10x bigger.

It's not about disconnecting, it's about pandering and shaping.

Pop culture for example did not demand that teachers be attacked and that elementary school classrooms be turned into workmanship performance tests with an iPad and a life-score for every child. Pop culture did not demand a consolidated media and marketing system that scientifically cultivates people into 1000 fake demographics associated with personality and identity types that should be reinforced and catered to. Pop culture did not demand the breakdown of distinctions between labor and leisure time. These kinds of developments are a long and top-down process, albeit with popular assent, and the current phase is called neoliberalism.
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