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"Hillionaires" - just brilliant description

If they're not already in the One Percent, what do these HRC supporters expect will happen to them and their friends and families if HRC is elected? The all-ashore-that's-going-ashore whistle has been sounded, the gangplank has been removed and the boat has pulled away from the dock for the 1%,Corporate Ark, and if you're not already on board, you will never, never get there!

It's not just poor and middle class Republicans who vote against their own best interests.

Recall HRC's painfully fake southern accent? Next she'll try rap!

With her campaign style of claiming to be all things to all people, and with all those wealthy, we're-so-hip young trust fund babies who can afford to work for her campaign for free as "interns", someone is bound to suggest, HRC needs to rap!

What's the rap equivalent of "ain't no ways tired"?

What's she doing with all those hundreds and hundreds of campaign interns & advisors? She doesn't need them for her cookie-cutter, endless series of fund-raising soirees at McMansions in gated communities. Their lives must be damn boring. I picture them secretly and enviously following Bernie's campaign on their I-phones and wishing they were with the cool kids in the Summer of Bernie.

Bet they're checking out DU - so in the tradition of the olden, golden days of DU, when we routinely gave shoutouts to "Agent Mike", here's a shoutout to you, Agent Muffy!

HRC brings out the blood lust in the GOP base & it's been building up for decades.

The analogy I would make is to compare her candidacy in the general as the equivalent of a shark feeding dive - an activity in which I've participated several times. You have all the divers settled in well away from the area where the shark bait will be handled by the dive leader, before the container is opened and the smell quickly spreads through the ocean.

The shark dive master is fully protected by a dive suit specifically designed of stainless-steel mesh, manufactured to give both protection and range of motion. It takes a specialized machine 70 hours to individually weld enough chain mail to make a suit — ring by ring, link by link, almost 500,000 in total. And it takes a skilled craftsman another 40 hours to cut and assemble that suit completely by hand.

So the GOP voting base is the pack of sharks which will be in a feeding frenzy, and HRC is right in the middle of them. Not only is she in the middle, but her "divesuit" has accumulated decades of chinks in the armor from all the scandals and past, recent and on-going actions of both her and Bill, and the GOP will be tearing at and exploiting them as ferociously as sharks attack bait.

Not a pretty picture, is it. And even worse, she will drag down other Dems on the ticket.

Almost Every Major Poll Shows Bernie Sanders Challenging or Defeating Clinton and Republicans.

And this erudite article explains why:


Ironically, there are certain liberal voters in America today more interested in sharing memes on social media (mocking their political rivals), than in actually rallying around a politician who is a genuine and authentic embodiment of their acknowledged value system. To these people, Bernie Sanders can't possibly win, even though he championed gay rights when others needed to "evolve," and even though he voted against Iraq, when others deemed their vote a "mistake."

Luckily, there are a great many other voters willing to imagine a future without Wall Street greed and rampant income inequality. Fortunately, "Bernie Sanders Can Become President" has replaced "I like him but he can't win."

Democrats who are proud of their progressive values are filling arenas to hear Sanders speak in a direct manner (while others dodge questions) on contentious issues like Keystone XL and the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement. While the FBI is currently investigating the email security of one candidate, Bernie Sanders is narrowing Clinton's lead nationally and defeating Republicans in other polls. Like Brent Budowsky writes in The Hill:
The fact that Sanders beats Walker by six to seven points, depending on whether all voters or likely voters are counted -- a near-landslide margin in a general election -- makes it clear that the Sanders surge is more than a surge against Donald Trump, but move that makes him competitive with all Republican candidates.

Polls once extolling Hillary Clinton's enormous lead over Sanders are now dwindling for the same reason Sanders beats Republicans in various other polls: Americans have had enough of dynasties, scandals, wars, and Wall Street corruption. I will be voting for Bernie Sanders because I too have had enough of endless wars, and Bernie says "I'll be damned" if more Americans are sent back to fight in the Middle East. I'll also be voting for Sanders because like the polls illustrating his lightning fast surge, more and more Americans have had enough with a two-party system that doesn't give people a choice. I want my Democratic nominee to vote against counterinsurgency wars and vehemently oppose environmental disasters in the making like Keystone XL, not evolve towards the most politically expedient position available at the time.

15,000 for Bernie vs. 60/136 for HRC - hmmmm.

Just by way of contrast, while Bernie is attracting historic, record-breaking crowds for a primary candidate, his opponent "wowed a Park City crowd" of (are you ready for this? Hold on to your hats, folks) SIXTY (60!), in a private home in a gated community - no press or public allowed, thank you very much.

The headline on this link (from the HRC group): Hillary Clinton wows a Park City crowd.
The "report" failed to quantify the crowd, identify the host or location (other than private home), the charge for admission, or whether the press was admitted.
by Jay Hamburger THE PARK RECORD
Posted: 08/07/2015 04:46:53 PM MDT

Curious as to what constitutes a "crowd" in Park City, I googled and found a more descriptive news report.

PARK CITY, Utah — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton visited Utah Wednesday for a fundraising event.

The fundraiser was held at a private residence in the Glenwild gated community in Park City.
Littlefield estimated 60 people attended an early rally that cost $2700 a head
, and more attended the larger event, paying $500 each. If those estimates are true, then the event raised more than $200,000 for the Clinton campaign.

Doing the math: 60 at$2700 each =s $162,000. $38,000 @ $500 each =s another 76 people for a grand total of 136 payees.

Presidential candidate Sanders to find friendly territory in Seattle visit (headline)

Good, positive local news coverage from 3 main Seattle papers, the Seattle Times, the Puget Sound Business Journal and the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.


Is Seattle Bernie Sanders’ kind of town? The Democratic presidential candidate brings his fiery, anti-corporate rhetoric to Seattle on Saturday for two rallies that could attract thousands.(subheadline)

Ellen O’Shea, an organic farmer from Chimacum, Jefferson County, had planned to share a car and ferry ride with a couple friends to see Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Saturday in Seattle.

But so many Olympic Peninsula neighbors were fired up to see the independent Vermont senator, they chartered what they’re dubbing the “Freedom Bus” for as many as 60 to get into the city.

Seattle is friendly territory for a candidate like Sanders — and organizers expect thousands from across the state will pack two events: a 1 p.m. Social Security event at Westlake Park and a 6 p.m. campaign rally at Edmundson Pavilion.

As the first 2016 contender to publicly campaign in Washington, Sanders’ visit contrasts with recent secretive stopovers by other candidates. Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton and Republican Jeb Bush each slipped into the Seattle area this year to mingle at penthouses and mansions with donors who paid thousands of dollars to attend. Sanders’ only scheduled fundraiser is a small, $200-a-person meet-and-greet at Capitol Hill’s Comet Tavern.


Bernie Sanders expects avid Seattle crowds Saturday (headline)

The Bernie Sanders phenomenon comes to Seattle Saturday with an address at Seattle's Westlake Park, a University of Washington rally and a $200-a-person fundraiser at the Comet Tavern.

It will be the first Northwest campaign appearances for the Vermont senator, who's been Hillary Clinton's most vigorous challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination.

His first event is at Westlake Park for a 1 p.m. "celebration" of Social Security and Medicare. Sanders, a 73-year-old independent who is challenging Clinton from the left, has called for a national single-payer health care program.

At 6 p.m., Sanders holds a rally at the University of Washington's Alaska Airlines Arena at Hec Edmundson Pavilion.

Sanders' campaign says his July 29 nationwide series of "meet-ups" drew 105,000 participants, and that Washington state had the third-highest concentration of these meetings in the nation with 120, after California and New York.


Bernie Sanders is raising money at the Comet Tavern on Saturday: No Medina mansion for him
Sen. Bernie Sanders is carrying his campaign for the 2016 Democratic nomination to the historic Comet Tavern on Capitol Hill Saturday, eschewing the usual presidential path to Medina, Hunts Point, Laurelhurst and waterfront mansions.

Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush, he’s not. The Sanders campaign will charge for the event, $1,000 to host and $200 to get in the door at the “Meet and Greet,” with doors open at 4 p.m. and the event at 5 p.m.

But it’s a far cry from the $50,000 to sit at the head table at last year’s Clinton Foundation fundraiser, or the candidate’s $2,700-a-head June event in Madison Park. A penthouse “Roundtable” with Bush in June carried a $12,500 price tag. Brunch with President Obama on a recent Hunts Point foray set guests back $17,200.

Sanders is speaking at an early afternoon Social Security rally in Westlake Park, sharing the stage with leather-lunged voices of the Seattle left (and folk singer Jim Page). He has an early evening rally at Hec Ed Pavilion at the University of Washington. A similar rally, three weeks ago in Phoenix, drew 11,000 supporters.

Noted: correlation between obscene language & your stress level

That stress level you experience is not healthy. Concrete facts, such as numbers attending, venues, amounts charged to attend, etc., are just that - facts, not smears. If you were really comfortable with HRC's campaign style, you wouldn't get so upset, and you would be able to calmly, and without repeated use of the word "fucking" explain why you believe her campaign style is preferable to Bernie's. In fact, you would welcome the opportunity to do so.

You ask, further up thread, post 7, what the difference is between seeing Bernie "live" and seeing him on Youtube. Obviously, to many thousands of people, who go to his events with no expectation of actually talking with him, that difference is worth the effort for them to attend in person. Over the decades, I have gone to considerable effort to attend live performances/presentations/speeches of people who are politically/historically significant and/or whom I admire for their talents and accomplishments. I've been privileged to watch & hear, live & not recorded, Sam Rayburn, JFK, Bob Dole, Geraldine Ferarro, Bill Clinton, Walter Mondale, George W. Bush, Al Gore, Bob Casey, Tony Bennet, Luciano Pavorotti, Raul Julia, Bernadette Peters, Maggie Smith, Paul McCartney, James Galway, Liam Neeson, Yo-Yo Ma, Harry Belafonte, Barbra Streisand, Kenneth Branagh, Daniel Radcliffe, Juliette Moore, Bill Nighy, Antonio Banderas, Aidan Quinn, Brian Dennehy, David Strathairn, to name some.

I've seen photos of Mayan pyramids in central American jungles - and they in no way compared to the thrill of climbing several myself. I've seen videos of divers exploring sunken ships, but that is NOTHING compared to the thrill of wreck diving on the sunken WWII ships of Truk Lagoon. I've seen video of glaciers calving - but wow! the actual sound and sight of that phenomena at Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska. I was on the island of Montserrat for a week while its volcano was erupting - more than just seeing or hearing a video of it, there was the feel of the fine grit of ash covering every surface, and the acrid smell of sulphur. And living in Cocoa, Florida in the '60's, I got to watch many rocket launches, both daylight and at night from my back yard - plus one overwhelming experience watching a Saturn launch from the VIP guest section at Cape Kennedy.
And see, here's the thing (as Adrian Monk would say), once you've had one of these live, real life experiences, for the rest of your life, when you see a photo or video, or hear the recorded voice or musical performance of any one of those examples, you flash back to the excitement, the electric thrill of your actual, in person experience.

When it comes to really huge political rallies, there is a gestalt, a whole which is far more than the sum of its parts. The passion and excitement of such an evening can carry over to the rest of the campaign and beyond, and participants will treasure that.

She left out her support for cluster bombs and land mines.

Commentary: Hillary Clinton’s Shameful Vote on Cluster Bombs
By Paul Rockwell
Tuesday March 18, 2008

In her autobiography, Living History, Senator Hillary Clinton portrays herself as an advocate for children, a defender of women and human rights. In fact, the Clintons have a long history of sacrificing the rights, even the lives of children, for political expediency. It is time to set the record straight.

On September 6, 2006, a Senate bill—a simple amendment to ban the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas—presented Senator Clinton with a timely opportunity to protect the lives of children throughout the world. The cluster bomb is one of the most hated and heinous weapons in modern war, and its primary victims are children.

Senator Obama voted for the amendment to ban cluster bombs. Senator Clinton, however, voted with the Republicans to kill the humanitarian bill, an amendment in accord with the Geneva Conventions, which already prohibit the use of indiscriminate weapons in populated areas.

All senators are expected to inform themselves on the issues before they cast a vote. The evidence is overwhelming. It is hard to believe that Senator Clinton was unaware of the humanitarian crisis when she voted to continue the use of cluster bombs in cities and populated areas. A U.N. weapons commission called cluster bombs “weapons of indiscriminate effect.” For years the international press reported the horrific consequences of cluster bombs on civilians. On April 10, 2003, for example, Asia Times described the carnage in Baghdad hospitals: “The absolute majority of patients are women and children, victims of shrapnel, and most of all, fragments of cluster bombs.” Reporting from a hospital in Hillah, The Mirror, a British newspaper, became graphic: “Shrapnel peppered their bodies. Blackened the skin. Smashed heads. Tore limbs. A doctor reports that ‘all the injuries you see were caused by cluster bombs. The majority of the victims were children who died because they were outside."


If you have something to say, now's the time.

I can't help but notice you've taken to posting the cryptic comment "Bookmarking" or "Bookmarking, again" on threads I've posted on which support Bernie &/or are critical of Hillary. and I am sincerely unclear why you do this or what it means. So please clear up my confusion and explain what the terse phrases "bookmarking" or "bookmarking, again" mean to you.

For example, I occasionally bookmark a thread because it contains valuable links - in other words, I like it. I might say, "Great thread. Bookmarked"; or "K&R bookmarked"; or "Bookmarked to read later" as a compliment/thank you to the OP. In the instant thread you have expressed displeasure because the topic has been posted before, but provide no substantive debate, discussion or comments on the topic itself. So what is the value to you of bookmarking the thread?

Are your bookmarks the internet equivalent of Dickens' character, Madame Defarge and her knitting in A Tale of Two Cities? Even on a literal level, Madame Defarge’s knitting constitutes a whole network of symbols. Into her needlework she stitches a registry or list of names (one might say, bookmarks), of all those condemned in the name of a new republic. I sincerely hope that is not the case. Because that would contribute nothing to the political debate and it implies some future "payback" which even in the volatile primary season is out of place on DU.
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