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Retired teacher who sees much harm to public education from the "reforms" being pushed by corporations. Privatizing education is the wrong way to go. Children can not be treated as products, thought of in terms of profit and loss.
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This is a problem. Conservative Democrats just can not go around demanding liberals be shut down because they criticize other Democrats.
FL centrist Dems want progressive FL Dems out because they criticize party leaders.
Celeste Bush, chairwoman of the St. Lucie County Democratic Executive Committee, emailed party leaders across the state advocating to the "de-certification" of the Democratic Progressive Caucus of Florida, which like other Democratic clubs and caucuses must be reauthorized by party brass every few years.
Celeste was equally critical when Dean was Chair. She even sent emails demanding Florida Democrats not give to the DNC.
Now she is comparing the Florida Progressive Caucus to the Tea Party.
"They're looking for purity in their Democrats," Bush said, comparing progressives to conservatives in the GOP. "They have a lot of single issues, just like the tea party does, and they think everybody needs to check that box, so to speak. That's just not the way people are."
The head of the Progressive Caucus, Susan Smith, wrote a letter to Patrick Murphy about how his supporters are advocating against the progressives.
Florida Democratic Party, a Picture Of Congenital Dysfunction
Yesterday, I learned your supporters have organized an effort to eliminate the Democratic Progressive Caucus of Florida. In all honesty, I have to tell you that I was shocked by this news and even more dismayed by the implication that you support this effort.
The Democrats statewise or nationally under DWS are making a serious mistake in demanding we all toe a handpicked line.
Posted by madfloridian | Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:02 AM (37 replies)
From the You Tube link:
Uploaded on Dec 1, 2011
Here is his Twitter feed.
I was so happy to see someone credible running against her that I donated as soon as I heard about it.
Posted by madfloridian | Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:14 PM (16 replies)
Bernie Sanders: I Oppose Charter Schools
At a meeting in New Hampshire Bernie said the following:
Video of the town hall. Go to one hour and forty-eight minutes on the video to hear his quote.
Posted by madfloridian | Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:56 PM (7 replies)
Bernie Sanders Attacks Hillary Clinton Over Regulating Wall Street
Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont laid out in a fiery speech Tuesday his plan to break up “too big to fail” commercial banks and pointedly attacked Hillary Clinton for taking speaking fees from the financial industry and, in his view, for not going far enough in her plan to regulate Wall Street.
Posted by madfloridian | Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:39 PM (71 replies)
Segami has posted the entire transcript here.
Posted by madfloridian | Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:29 PM (18 replies)
Sanders campaign inks joint fundraising pact with DNC
From Politico November 5.
Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign has signed a joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic National Committee, the DNC confirmed to POLITICO.
There now may be some question about his "his slowly growing ties to the party's infrastructure", especially since the DNC chairwoman abruptly shut him off from the voter database while playing the whole thing out in the media.
But it's been said here that he raised no money for other candidates, so this sets the record straight.
Posted by madfloridian | Sat Jan 2, 2016, 06:06 PM (96 replies)
Bernie Sanders @BernieSanders 2h2 hours ago
Bernie Sanders on Twitter
Posted by madfloridian | Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:07 PM (5 replies)
They actually said it out loud in words.
There's been open declaration over and over of how they did not need the left anymore. They said they were getting enough corporate money, and they did not have to stand for things that might cause them to lose. They had enough money that they did not have to worry about the needs of the people who had been the usual constituents of the party. They had theirs. They didn't need us.
But now they do. Funny how that happens during every primary, every election. They push us aside until they need us, then they put us on a huge freaking guilt trip.
If the party loses they drag out the trite stuff about how they got too partisan, about how the left failed to vote. Any excuse except what really happened.
What really happened was that the new policy makers of the party decided that by taking corporate money, they could stand for whatever they needed to stand for to win. They thought. They sounded so much like the other party that the people voted for the real thing.
They actually said out loud that they had taken over the party, and they did not need us. Not just once either.
"Simon Rosenberg, the former field director for the DLC who directs the New Democrat Network, a spin-off political action committee, says, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party. In that way," he adds, "they are ideologically freed, frankly, from taking positions that make it difficult for Democrats to win."
Here is a little more:
The clash will be between the "governing class" and the "activist class."
The former includes
I do disagree that with the statement that it isn't about policy....it surely is about policy now. Yes, to the party that says a "lot of Democrats in
Washington don't even seem to know it's happening."
Through the years they have tried to make "liberal" a word of shame.
I remember when I first realized how most of my Republican family felt about anything remotely off center to the left. A family member scornfully called my parents "bleeding heart liberals." My parents were moderate old-fashioned Southern Baptists who even hesitated to sip wine because the church forbade it.
The Wise Geek was right.
It truly was a hostile takeover. They don't plan on giving any of it back to those who traditionally were considered a part of it. They are not going to give up their control over policy. They are going to keep treating the more liberal part of the party as conveniences when elections roll around.
I'm glad Bernie Sanders is running, I'm very happy he's not easily intimidated. I have no idea if he will win or lose, but I know one thing for sure. He's started something that will bring change that has long been needed.
People say he can't change things, but I say he will loudly protest what he can't change and not comply easily.
Posted by madfloridian | Fri Jan 1, 2016, 05:58 PM (226 replies)
Not done yet by any means. Just re-emerging!
This is from way down in an article today in The Atlantic Monthly:
Why America Is Moving Left
When academics from the City University of New York went to Zuccotti Park to study the people who had taken it over, they found something striking: 40 percent of the Occupy activists had worked on the 2008 presidential campaign, mostly for Obama. Many of them had hoped that, as president, he would bring fundamental change. Now the collapse of that hope had led them to challenge Wall Street directly. “Disenchantment with Obama was a driver of the Occupy movement for many of the young people who participated,” noted the CUNY researchers. In his book on the movement, Occupy Nation, the Columbia University sociologist Todd Gitlin quotes Jeremy Varon, a close observer of Occupy who teaches at the New School for Social Research, as saying, “This is the Obama generation declaring their independence from his administration. We thought his voice was ours. Now we know we have to speak for ourselves.”
The article does a good job of describing the rise and fall and rise in another form of the Occupy Movement.
For a brief period, Occupy captured the nation’s attention. In December 2011, Gitlin notes, the movement had 143 chapters in California alone. Then it fizzled. But as the political scientist Frances Fox Piven has written, “The great protest movements of history … did not expand in the shape of a simple rising arc of popular defiance. Rather, they began in a particular place, sputtered and subsided, only to re-emerge elsewhere in perhaps a different form, influenced by local particularities of circumstance and culture.”
I agree with some parts of this next paragraph, but strongly disagree with others.
I think many Democrats in general agree with the leftward movement, but the party's infrastructure is not on board at all. The leadership of the DNC is in full lockstep with the new policy think tank, The Third Way. They are not the majority of our party, but they are seemingly in complete charge for now.
Arguably more significant than the Sanders campaign itself is the way Democratic elites have responded to it. In the late 1980s and the ’90s, they would have savaged him. For the Democratic Leadership Council, which sought to make the party more business-friendly, an avowed Socialist would have been the perfect foil. Today, in a Democratic Party whose guiding ethos is “no enemies to the left,” Sanders has met with little ideological resistance. That’s true not only among intellectuals and activists but among many donors. Journalists often assume that Democrats who write big checks oppose a progressive agenda, at least when it comes to economics. And some do. But as John Judis has reported in National Journal, the Democracy Alliance, the party’s most influential donor club, which includes mega-funders such as George Soros and Tom Steyer, has itself shifted leftward during the Obama years. In 2014, it gave Warren a rapturous welcome when she spoke at the group’s annual winter meeting. Last spring it announced that it was making economic inequality its top priority.
Point 1 disagreement: Sanders IS meeting with ideological resistance. The power of those currently in charge is threatened by such change.
Point 2 disagreement: The savaging of the left took place in 2003/2004, not just in the 80s and 90s. They even had a press conference announcing Dean would not be president.
Point 3 about the Democracy Alliance. They are secretive in which media they are funding, so we really don't know what those mega-donors believe.
Howard Dean said a few months ago not to underestimate Bernie Sanders. I agree, and I also say don't underestimate the remaining power of the shape-changing OWS.
(Posted this in GD rather than GDP primary as it is not really about just this primary, and it is not so much about either candidate as about a movement that started in one form and is morphing. )
Posted by madfloridian | Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:28 AM (37 replies)
We are seeing a different kind of progressive movement that's not easy to define. It's about Bernie Sanders, but that's only a part.
We're not going to be seeing much (or any) of Bernie in Florida. Can't blame him for that. All the state Democratic leadership appears to be on board with Hillary.
I am noticing though that there have been some well attended local events for Bernie.
Other than that he's hardly mentioned in our local media.
Democrats facing a potentially difficult 2016 with movement progressives
The data breach was by most standards a relatively minor happening that would have simply had a reaction limited to political insiders, data nerds and political press – had the DNC not bungled it so badly from a public relations standpoint. The DNC’s action inflamed non-political people who are backing Bernie Sanders and tend to see political parties as cartels that do not believe in the normal processes of Democracy.
There is a truly good comment in the comments section of the article. It was written by a Florida Democrat I learned to respect very much during the 2004 campaign.
From the comments
(The link to the comment doesn't seem to go straight to the comment I mentioned. I am speaking of the one by David Jones.)
As a lifelong Democrat, I find it appalling that the DNC and the FDP could not find it within themselves to facilitate an even playing field during this election cycle. The chosen line-up of speakers at Leadership Blue and the FDP convention, the limited debate schedule, and both the FDP Chair and Vice Chair signing on as official members of Hillary Clinton’s Florida Campaign Team has sent a loud and clear message that those candidates who subscribe to the traditional progressive policies that provided social mobility during our nations hey day, are no longer worthy of having their voices heard through official channels of the Democratic party. In doing so, the party leadership has slammed the door in the face of countless young idealists and very well may have mortgaged the future of our party in favor of a less than honorable process designed to advance a watered down political agenda that helps far fewer people than is needed at this juncture in our history.
Way to go, David. A big hand of
Posted by madfloridian | Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:43 PM (64 replies)