The Rambo and Dirty Harry wanna-be's. Other than the sheer numbers, it isn't the semi-auto's themselves that are the problem. It is the 'look n feel' of the military knock-offs, that can easily be made fully automatic with the simple addition of rubber bands or a bump stock that feeds the fantasies of the people that are attracted to that style of gun, that are the main problem.
Think of the posters that want to arm the school teachers. Have armed security roaming the halls. Locked-down prison security in public schools. Think of the people that think because two weapons operate the same way, they are somehow the same. No, they are not! It is the look n feel thing that is the difference and the main problem.
Anything except common sense banning the military knock-off weapons that are being used in most of the massacres.
And while we are at it, we need Canadian style licensing and control of ALL hand guns. It is paranoia the makes people think they need one for home or self defense, when they are out and about. They only "need it" because other people think they also "need" to carry "protection" when away from home. More NRA talking points to sell more guns to an already over saturated populace.

We need to first neuter the NRA. Then we need to go after the weapons manufactures with heavy regulation on what they can sell to the civilian population. There is no reason we can not put the terrorist provisions of the Patriot Act to a good use for a change.
Just because it won't be all said and done by midnight on December 31, 2012, does not mean it cannot be done.

Or even that there is a problem.
Too many easily obtained, loosely regulated firearms of any and all types.
Anyone can get a hold of a gun in this country. It is easy. Way too easy. Even toddlers can do it.


The basic purpose of guns is to kill things. No other legal item, whose basic purpose is to kill, is in such wide spread use, as they are in this country.
Trying to distract from the bloody trail of death caused by guns by comparing guns to cars, or blaming perpetrators with faulty mental health, or anything else, are just straw man arguments. The obscene proliferation of guns in this country, whose basic design is for killing, is the root of the problem.
Other than hunting rifles, the rest, assault style weapons and hand guns are designed for killing human beings. And many here admit that is why they bought them. Well, that is their primary purpose.
You say you only use yours for target shooting? Well good on you. But that gun you use was was most likely designed to kill your fellow human being, which it is very efficient at doing.
Only guns have the designation of "Weapons". While other items can be used as weapons, that is not their primary purpose, as is with guns. That is the distinction.
The real problem here is a vast over supply of vaguely regulated guns.
The current reasoning seems to be that we need more easily obtained guns because so many people have guns. Anyone else see the problem here? By that reasoning, if we get rid of the guns, no one would need any.
For starts, we should look at Canada and their gun laws.

a, b, and c do not, as in this country, include simply wanting a hand gun. You have to prove your case first. It is registered and you are registered. And you and it get checked up on.


There are 7 billion people in the world.
There are 311.6 million people in the united States.
There are around 600 million guns in the world.
There are almost 300 million guns in the United States.
The United States has less that 4.5% of the worlds population.
The United States has the world's highest gun death rate.
So why do we have or need almost one half of the worlds supply of guns? How can this not be a problem?
Shouldn't 4.5% of the world's supply of guns be enough?

Think of the swarm(s) that come out periodically. Or the Word Police, who are quite often members of a swarm. Bullies all, while pretending to be victims.

Think of a descriptive word. Most any descriptive word and someone will object to it, because it is "hurtful" to either them or someone they know, or a specified group, so therefore the rest of DU is suppose to just not use that word anymore, from their say-so, from that point on, because someone somewhere, might fit that description.

Edited to add: The psychical and mental problems people have, are not monolithic. An example is the Sandy Point shooter being described as a "Loon" because of his mental problems. Someone else then objected, because they also had a mental problem. Never mind the problems were totally unrelated, totally separate issues. The worst of the worst was labeled a "Loon" and so this person assumed that implied everyone with mental health issues were being labeled "Loons". See how that works? There is too much of this kind of BS going on on DU.

We gotta deal with the symptoms, dontchaknow? To do other wise requires too much thinking and logic. We gotta look at all the jobs all this school security creates. Never mind reality. Never mind if it can't work. Never mind the cost. Never mind it is obvious it is the excess of guns of all kinds that are the root of the problem. But at least we'd be doing something, right?


For those that think more security by more guns is the answer -->

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The collective IQ of DU is dropping daily. That is not sarcasm.

The basic purpose of guns is to kill things. No other legal item, whose basic purpose is to kill, is in such wide spread use.
Trying to distract from the bloody trail of death caused by guns by comparing guns to cars, or anything else, is no more than straw man arguments. None of those other items have as their basic, killing. Only guns have the designation of "Weapons". While other items can be used as weapons, that is not their primary purpose, as is with guns.

There are 7 billion people in the world.
There are 311.6 million people in the united States.
There are 600 million guns in the world.
There are 300 million guns in the United States.
The United States has less that 4.5% of the worlds population.
So why do we have or need one half of the worlds supply of guns?
How can this not be a problem?

Any semi-automatic weapon that is a military knock-off. Any civilian weapon that looks similar to the Rambo inducing fantasy, killing machine in the graphic below.

All that is necessary to turn those weapons into fully automatic weapons, for all intents and purposes, is a bump stock. Then add a one-hundred round drum. And they are perfectly legal. Rabbit hunting anyone? How can you miss?
Why would any sane civilian need one or more of these? They were designed to kill human beings and they do that with high efficiency.

Forget folding and adjustable stocks and bayonet lugs. Those are just detractions from the real problem. The problem is the Rambo and Dirty Harry mentality that populate places likes of the gungeon. Or worse yet, the public streets, with one of their sweet, semi-auto babies^*, under their arm-pit. Ready to stop the next Sandy Point.

^*Hand gun

Bushmaster: Cheaper than a penile implant.

Or...

A .223 Bushmaster. This is a military knockoff, originally designed to hunt humans. This can be easily fitted with a 100 round drum.
The main difference between this and the military version is that this not auto fire...
Unless you put a bump stock on it. Then, for all intents and purposes, it is fully automatic.
Add the 100 round drum, and well, what's this doing in civilian hands?
Do you think anyone is going to hunt rabbits with this?


A .223 hunting rifle, 5 rounds, Bolt action. Use to hunt small game. Cannot be made automatic, or even semi-auto.
Designed for the purpose of hunting small game. Rabbits, coyotes, small animal pests.

There are those that say these weapons are the same thing. They say both are hunting rifles. Why? Because they both use the same ammunition.
Really? Think about that. Are these weapons really the same?
The last time a bolt action was used in an assassination was 40 years ago. The last time a bushmaster was used for mass murder was this past week... again.

Anyone else see the problem here?

A .223 Bushmaster. can be easily fitted with 100 round drum. Used to hunt humans.
A military knockoff.


A .223 hunting rifle, 5 rounds, use to hunt small game.
Designed for purpose.

Anyone else see the problem here?

Around here PC is used as a club. The most innocuous terms can be labeled as slurs by most anyone. The individual "Banned Word List" that are use to ambush the unwary, regardless of context.

Right on schedule, someone already has posted a few of the worst bad slurs as if to prove the case that banning other words is the solution. As if banning words, will improve the conditions, eliminate the prejudices, the inequality of the people those words are supposedly being used against.

No, it won't. Can't happen. The mind-sets, the prejudices, the bigotry, the inequality is still there, untouched. Banning words is helping to hiding the condition from public view a little better. Pushing it underground, as it were, a little more out of sight, so we do not have to deal with the underlying problems on either side, exposed by the use of the banned word.

In any case, the banned word will be replaced by other word(s) that will then eventually make it onto the banned list in turn, to start another phase of the word war all over again, till it is in turn also banned, to be replaced by yet another word(s)... In the meantime, the bigotry and prejudice, the inequality, remain basically untouched.

The real solution is not a list of banned of words that can be used as slurs. That is a fruitless quest, as any group of words can be used for such. The real solution is to work to eliminates the mindset of the bigot and their prejudice in the the first place. Work to eliminate the inequality among the various groups of people. Regardless of skin color, gender, sexual preference, social status, or anything else that we divide ourselves with.

Eliminating bigotry and prejudice will help much more in dealing with the inequality that plague what we call "civilization". Eliminating bigotry and prejudice is much harder than merely banning words. The words themselves are merely symptoms expressing the real problems. Hiding the symptoms almost always does what toward correcting what problem? Yeah, that's correct, nothing. In fact a case can be made that PC Correctness is in itself a form of bigotry and/or prejudice. I get the feeling some here want to banish that term as well.
Banning words, like praying, makes it look as if one is doing something constructive about the problem. In reality is just a show that wastes time and does nothing constructive.